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Great set of videos Kimble. I completely agree with your Arcade video selections, those are all great games that I played the hell out of when I had the chance. Joust and Asteroids are two of my all time favorite games to this day. Missile Command always infuriated me, and I never enjoyed playing Space Invaders or Galaga though. Great video.

Genesis/MD fighters are definitely a mixed bag and I must protest the lack of WeaponLord in the lineup. It handily trumps the likes of Best of the Best or Fighting Masters in sheer sophistication, character design, and especially combos, counters and parries. I'd even put WeaponLord before Eternal Champions or Challenge from the Dark Side. Otherwise I agree with your assessments of each game on the list. I'd like to see a similar video for the Sega/Mega CD, though I can't think of ten one on one fighters for that one.

If you ever do an honorable mention fighters video I'd definitely look into WeaponLord, but also Budoken.

I actually did play WeaponLord for the purposes of this list. And...well, if I'm honest, I didn't get it and was unable to really figure anything out. On merit, it still should have made the top 10 (which I fully expected it to - perhaps another problem) - but because I had very little to say about it other than "I don't get it" and all the other games had something a bit meatier I could talk about, it didn't make it. Having never played it before doing this list, I think I need to spend more time with it to actually appreciate it if it's as complex as you say.

(To a lesser extent, the same applies to Shaq-Fu. Shaq-Fu is a very average game, which probably makes it better than Fighting Masters, DBZ, Harimanada and Cyborg Justice at the very least - it actually has a case for the top 10. But 1 - strip away the big star and it's utterly ordinary, 2 - I already covered Shaq-Fu in a previous video and 3 - I'll be damned if I'm playing it again anytime soon. Hell, the brief clip of it in here was simply ripped from my Basketball vid just because I couldn't be arsed with it.)

Budokan is another one that I've never got on with. I didn't even really play it until quite recently, and it feels even older than it is. Best of the Best covers a fair bit of the same ground and is a great deal better.

EDIT: Mega CD fighters? Supreme Warrior #1, everything else is a mere footnote.

WeaponLord is a game that almost nobody played and even fewer talk about. It is a very complex but easy to understand game. I'd say it requires the same amount of effort that Street Fighter 2 originally took to learn and play well and it is just as rewarding.

I played Budoken when it was new, way before the Street Fighter bomb hit. I enjoyed it and enjoyed the control over where and how to attack and the variety of weapons. I think you are probably right that Best of the Best is a better fighter overall though, Budoken doesn't have much in the way of combos or counters, I think it is all attacks and blocks and pretty simplistic. It still has that sense of progress though as you work your way through the school that hooked me back in the day.

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Hah, man, I have repeatedly wanted Prize Fighter and Supreme Warrior to make any sense at all. A simple test of the reflexes with an appropriate tactical response would make these games great. Instead the developers simply chose a random response to each opponent move, most of which make no strategic sense at all and seem to focus more on bad 80s hollywood choreography.

I was thinking more of Black Hole Assault, Samurai Shodown, Fatal Fury Special and Eternal Champions Challenge from the Darkside. I'm not sure there is anything more than those off hand.

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Shaq-Fu is a very average game, which probably makes it better than Fighting Masters, DBZ, Harimanada and Cyborg Justice at the very least

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Strongly disagree. DBZ is a pretty solid fighter on the MD. It's not in the same league as Street Fighter or Mortak Kombat (Oh hell no, not even close...), but it's defo better than Cyborg Justice or, -yuk-, Shaq-Fu.

Cyborg Justice ... Are we talking about Heavy Nova?

I agree with VF2 and Yu Yu Hakusho. One game missing was Power Instinct:



And where would TMNT: Tournament Fighters and Deadly Moves fit into a list like this ?

Anyway, gotta go and watch all the recent KJ videos I missed for the last couple of months.

Great Videos as usual, watched the recent 4.

Even though C64 was everywhere, I guess the Spectrum to UK is what C64 is to USA. I really enjoyed my C64 and I believe it was the most sold computer ever.

Cool arcade video. Galaga ftw.

Where did you get the Sega text font to import into your videos for # 1 Yuko Yuko fighter and such ?

I'd put Eternal Champions on my fav fighting games on md list too, even if I had sf2 and mk on list. Eternal Champions was never hard for me and I liked the music, bios/story, the grainy but good backgrounds and every fighter is different (no ryu/ken wannabees). The hardest "character" in game was the Dragon Eternal Champion, nothing but fireballs, jump kicks that hit you no matter what, flips and if you throw anything at him it goes through him. That phase of EC is a bitch, but the other EC phases and characters are quite easy for me. I can beat the game in 20 minutes. I might do a video on it soon. Of course the Sega CD version was wayyy better but both are not great, but not bad - they are good. I like that one match you need patience and a stay away and time strategy (vs xavier or shadow, the next a more close hard punch and blitz fight (vs blade or slash). Also I liked EC sampled the hardcore sf2 sound fx. The cart seemed liked a demo to cd version and that window was smaller than tv where you see pink on bottom of tv, but all things considered it's not a cheap button masher it's a more vf strategy type fighter. You are rewarded by beating the shit out of opponent once you understand their timing and weaknesses in their fighting style. I was always good at fighting games, so maybe that's why but I like both EC games.

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Great Videos as usual, watched the recent 4.

Even though C64 was everywhere, I guess the Spectrum to UK is what C64 is to USA. I really enjoyed my C64 and I believe it was the most sold computer ever.

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The C64 was a pretty big deal as well. Spectrum vs C64 in the UK is the 80's equivalent of Sega vs Nintendo, in fact - they both duked it out big style for the #1 spot, and there wasn't really a clear winner - while the Spectrum dominated in the early part of the decade (it was a lot cheaper), the C64 eventually caught up as Sinclair's fortunes turned sour in the latter half for various reasons - a lack of a truly meaningful upgrade to the 48k Spectrum (the 128k wasn't seen as much compared to the C64), and a load of failed business ventures - the QL was an attempt at making a business computer that failed, and the Sinclair C5 was...well, this:

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/blog/...clair_c5_1.jpg

A battery powered electric tricycle. You could say it was ahead of its time considering the state of electric cars now...but it bombed totally in 1985 - you could barely use it due to the consumption, you sure as shit wouldn't want to use it in the rain (keep in mind this is Britain we're talking about and the vehicle runs at a top speed of 15mph) and its small size meant a lot of people thought it was pretty much a death trap on the road, particularly if you encountered a lorry (they wouldn't be able to see you!). For all the success of the Spectrum, Sinclair Research as we knew it doesn't even survive the 1980's and the Spectrum ends the decade in the hands of Amstrad, who continued to market it into the 90's until the machine was discontinued.

Other microcomputers like the Amstrad CPC and Acorn Electron didn't do too badly, but were some distance behind. So was the BBC Micro, but that was very popular with schools - aside from Elite, it had lots and lots of educational software.

And thus ends the microcomputer digression.

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Where did you get the Sega text font to import into your videos for # 1 Yuko Yuko fighter and such ?

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I'm not sure exactly where I got it from, but the font is called niseSega.

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I'd put Eternal Champions on my fav fighting games on md list too, even if I had sf2 and mk on list. Eternal Champions was never hard for me and I liked the music, bios/story, the grainy but good backgrounds and every fighter is different (no ryu/ken wannabees). The hardest "character" in game was the Dragon Eternal Champion, nothing but fireballs, jump kicks that hit you no matter what, flips and if you throw anything at him it goes through him. That phase of EC is a bitch, but the other EC phases and characters are quite easy for me. I can beat the game in 20 minutes. I might do a video on it soon. Of course the Sega CD version was wayyy better but both are not great, but not bad - they are good. I like that one match you need patience and a stay away and time strategy (vs xavier or shadow, the next a more close hard punch and blitz fight (vs blade or slash). Also I liked EC sampled the hardcore sf2 sound fx. The cart seemed liked a demo to cd version and that window was smaller than tv where you see pink on bottom of tv, but all things considered it's not a cheap button masher it's a more vf strategy type fighter. You are rewarded by beating the shit out of opponent once you understand their timing and weaknesses in their fighting style. I was always good at fighting games, so maybe that's why but I like both EC games.

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Someone who's actually good at the game! I think I only ever got far in Eternal Champions through sheer perseverance back in the day - continue after continue. Nowadays I'm almost totally useless. :) - I always find that medium strikes tend to work out best for me, particularly with Shadow - they'll either hit or they might even let her get close for a throw...anything fierce always tends to get blocked and viciously countered.

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I agree with VF2 and Yu Yu Hakusho. One game missing was Power Instinct:



And where would TMNT: Tournament Fighters and Deadly Moves fit into a list like this ?

Anyway, gotta go and watch all the recent KJ videos I missed for the last couple of months.

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There were a couple I forgot about - I also completely forgot Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story, which while not necessarily good would have certainly placed in the top 10 ahead of something like Fighting Masters. Hey-ho, nobody's perfect. I'll admit that some games are in the list purely because I wanted to mention them and wouldn't have gotten another decent chance. Aah! Harimanada, for example, is largely total crap and not worthy of a place - all you do is mash buttons relentlessly. But it's the only sumo game on the Mega Drive and is thus interesting in ways that say, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers is not.

Tournament Fighters and Deadly Moves wouldn't have placed at all. Tournament Fighters is insultingly inferior to the SNES version, and I had Deadly Moves in my bottom 20 video...an almost unplayably sluggish and janky SF2 clone - it's an official title that almost feels like a bootleg (of which, as an aside, none were considered - I didn't really want to get into that shit). I think the only thing I ever liked about it was the stage that took place on a moving train, with the railroad in the background. Reminded me of Emperor of the North Pole. Other than that, I hated the game.

Thanks Kimble, good stuff. Yeah I might make a video on EC cart where I show me with a 3 button controller blazing through game without losing a match let alone a round. It will be recorded from my potato laptop cam but whatever.

The only fighting game that gives me trouble at times is vf2 on Saturn. But I don't understand why people don't like EC or EC CD. No, it's not as polished as sf2, it's not a low sweep kick then power uppercut button masher gorefest like mk where you kill opponent in 6 hits, but I liked it way better than killer instinct on snes (another mk clone in a way) or other md fighters that is for sure.

Deadly Moves vs SF2, the epic lawsuit.

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Deadly Moves vs SF2, the epic lawsuit.

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I thought that was actually Street Smart that Capcom sued about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDufrbcqko

I do remember street smart, but didn't know capcom sued over that too. I know they did for deadly moves and fighters history. Fighters history lawsuit made it to court and had a verdict. Not sure if others had a verdict, maybe a buyout was done before court or verdict.

"[2] Look and feel lawsuits, such as the one Capcom filed against Data East over the game Fighter's History[3] also began to be filed, however are not common due to the legal complexities involved. With the adoption of software patents in some countries, e.g. in the United States in the 1990s, clone games are at far greater legal risk.[citat"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_clone

It was epic, because even though these were rip offs, capcom lost verdict.

I think they settled, the issue was the ryu rip off and other stuff.

http://www.defunctgames.com/pic/revi...esis-big-1.jpg

Maybe snk bitched about deadly moves, but iirc it was capcom. I know capcom went nuts over fighters history. Street smarts was a sf1 and ff combine rip off for sure. I'm sure capcom and snk got $ from settlements, not many went to court and had verdict.

I think you might be right about Fighter's History, and Street Smart was too early to be an SF2 rip off for sure. Still, I don't see much "rip off" in Fighter's History or Deadly Moves for that matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Kdu2v3ZNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpWfq2wT4DQ

They just look like run of the mill "meeee tooo" fighters to me.

Probably why capcom lost in court. They did have similar special moves with same d pad positions, backgrounds and fake ryus and kens though. But so did snk.

I tried to find a link with info of games capcom sued or settled with regarding sf2 clones, but only one listed was fighters history which they lost. But I remember capcom filing against deadly moves and others too (the moves, background and ryus were the reason), again they probably settled but I remember game companies not caring about the lawsuits.