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Stiffness = more sensitivity. I've tested the PS2 Dual Shock, Xbox 360 and Dreamcast pads in various PC games using Pinnacle Game Profiler. The Dreamcast Analog stick and triggers always win in sensitivity and general lack of dead zone. The PS2 and Xbox 360 pads area minimum of 10% dead zone in the middle. That lack of resistance your thumbs have been trained to like makes that first 10% completely useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by azonicrider
I prefer ANY other analog stick to the abortion that is the N64 analog stick. :yuck: :furious:
Seriously, even the Atari 5200 stick is better.
It seems that while you're playing the N64, you don't realize how crappy the analog stick is.
But then once you're actually observing the controller, you realize just how bad, and fragile that stick is.
Back in the day I just bought a couple Saturn pad adapters from EB and use Japanese Saturn pads for non-analog 2D Dreamcast games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
That sounds like a smart thing to do. Because we all know the Saturn pad, is, flawless.
Yup, I use my Saturn Hori Joystick for Dreamcast games that need precise digital controls.
How about Sonic Adventure 2? . . . Sonic Adventure DX has other known problems in general compared to the DC original, including control wise, but SA2 vs SA2B should be a lot more even given the amount of optimization that saw on the GC. (at least compared to DX)Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I've honestly never had a problem with Nintendo's octagonal ring thing. OTOH, level of wear on the controller could matter too. DC pads seem to hold up better than others in terms of forming dead spots and/or losing spring tension.
They do have the issue of losing their grip texture with wear . . . albeit rubberized contemporaries have the issue of sometimes peeling off completely -N64 has neither problem, but some people have issues with its texture too. (I don't have that problem really . . . I only get sore thumbs from pushing on the edges of the stick, not the middle -super pad sticks are worse there, and the DC pad isn't really any better in that area -would be if the bottom lip of the stick was more smoothly tapered -Saturn and Xterminator "stick" designs work better for me in this area though, they're more like pads than sticks)
I wouldn't directly use "stiffness" as "sensitivity" . . . I liken stiffness in control to being twitchy and overly sensitive in certain regions of control. You could have a controller with zero dead spot but still not be stiff. (ie just have that center control area "soft" with very low input value for good fine movement, and have the input value increase relatively slowly towards the center, but increase towards the outside more -ie non linear control)Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
I like it, both for comfort and general use. It DOES wear out with excessive use/abuse though, but I've never worn one badly unless it was used and already close to it when I got it. (luckily I've picked up some near mint condition ones in the last few years from good will, so no problems there :p )Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilly Willy
Also, heavy use in fighting games (and maybe sports games) tend to wear out analog sticks like crazy . . . the closest we came to ever doing that was heavy use in 2D-ish platformers and Smash Bros with moderately heavy wear on the horizontal axis. (leading to ~20% loose/dead spots)
I wasn't equating stiffness to sensitivity either. I was specifically addressing the statement I quoted that the Dreamcast analog stick is stiff in general. In comparing these three consoles that resistance of the analog stick was the most obvious difference in the controllers. Like I said, I had to use software to play with the dead zones and sensitivity. The Dreamcast analog stick and triggers are more sensitive than the Dual Shock or Xbox 360 analog solutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by kool kitty89
It may be stiff, but its defiantly one of the better analog sticks. It actually feels like an eyeball, how an analog stick should be.
Now all they needed was two analog sticks. And two more face buttons. Then that controller wouldn't seem so deprecated.
The silver GC controller I have (very good condition) is about as stiff as my DC controllers (in similar condition). Albeit the GC pads with heavy wear are rather soft in comparison. (don't have any DC pads with heavy wear on hand, and I can't recall the difference by memory -the issue of worn down texture and resulting polished/slipper surface is what i best remember about DC controllers with heavy wear)Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
I like the feel of the GC stick better in general, in terms of throw length and general ergonomics. (not saying anything about actual sensitivity, precision, or accuracy in-game though)
I have a strange dream.
Some day, I wanna port Spyro The Dragon to the Dreamcast. Imagine the intense graphical overall that you could give that game, especially with the textures that the Dreamcast is known for.
It makes my wonder why Insomniac didn't release any of the Spyro trilogy on the Dreamcast.
I guess that'd require alot of hacking Iso images?
Didn't Sony have some level of exclusivity for Spyro games up through most/all of the DC's active life? (there weren't any multiplat releases until after it was discontinued)
Well nonetheless Kool Kitty, what do you think of this project?
I'm already working on a Vita shooter project, but maybe I can work on both projects simultaneously.
I understand it could take maybe a week of hacking the Spyro image, before I even find a single vertices.
If they open the source code up for hope brew ports sure Spyro could be improved in every way. Just look at Rayman or Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver for the best a quick port could do with the Dreamcast's capabilities.
I could try emailing Insomniac and see if they got the source code laying around.
Yea without the source code, this could take months of trying to figure out what everything is in the iso.
Maybe I could just create an original 3D platformer, heavily inspired by Spyro. I like open-world jewel hunting.
We just need some god damn Dreamcast homebrew that isn't 2D shooters.