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Tomaitheous and I messed around with downsampling the colors from the SNES game to the Genesis palette. For the most part what I experimented with made it look like no specific optimization were made to the Genesis game, or very little. It loks like they just down sampled the colors automatically, fixed a few pixels here and there and that was it. That said, I think the color choices in most of SCE's levels look better than Super on Genesis.
Yeah, Super just looks bad.
OK, name another 200 games in other genres and then maybe I'll consider including the X68000 in the same sentence as the AmigaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
And if YsIII, Granada, Sol-Feace, and Arcus Odysey are comparable to their console versions then they're not even remotely worth bringing up.
Granada is hyper overrated (and people barely speak about it as it is!), that game is decent at best, Virocop with two joysticks kicks the ever living shit out of that game, and it does it whilst being unique, and different, not whilst being barely any different to a hoard of other games, and Arcus Odyssey is pathetic in comparison to Chaos Engine, and just about any Alien Breed game, Sol-Feace is painfully generic, and YsIII is short, crude, and looks barely better than 8-bit.
Second Samurai
Disposable Hero
Virocop
Alien Breed series
Chaos Engine
Fightin' Spirit
Ruff N Tumble
Lionheart
Mega Turrican
Leander
Battle Squadron
Fly Harder
Apidya
Fatal Rewind
Stardust
Zool 2
etc
Looks like more than 12 games there to me, and I didn't even need to try, you've admitted to liking other games in the past, such as Risky Woods, Uridium 2, I like some other stuff you don't, like Quik, Kid Chaos etc, I'm sure a master list of like 30 odd games could pretty easily be made, people wouldn't like all of them but I think most could find at least ~20 non arcade port action games they'd like.
Also you listed a 3D shooter for X68000, by knowledge of 3D shooters on Amiga is limited, but there are a lot of them, Simulcra for instance is pretty respectable IMO.
and thats just arcade action, what platformers does the X68000 even have? puzzle games? adventure games? strategy games?
Mega Turrican I would rather play on the Genesis. The music is better and if I remember correctly so are the graphics. Battle Squadron is also on the Genesis but I'm not sure how the two compare.
As for other X68000 games, I know there are more puzzle and Adventure games on it, as well as some platformers. There is a very good remake of the first Castlevania as well.
and I'd rather play Granada on the Genesis, it has 3-button controls, more levels, and most likely cost ~$40 less to buy at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Battle Squadron is a horrific compromised mess on GenesisQuote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Granada on the Genesis has one more level, and the button issue isn't that big of an issue considering on the X68000 you just push the other two buttons at the same time. Now if it was like an Amiga game where there was only 1 button and no way to compensate, then I'd understand. There are still plenty of other action games on the X68000 to chose from. And honestly the Arcade ports more than make the X68000 worth owning. I'd rather play an excellent port of Street Fighter II than poor ports of it or 1 of many generic clones of it on the Amiga.
And after a quick look at gameplay videos, I don't see anything that would make Battle Squadron on the Genesis a horrific compromised mess. Care to elaborate on that one?
Go back tou your 12 FPS Adventure games Thenewguy!
Which means you can't lock direction whilst firing the strong blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Also, the turning speed on X68000 is awful, try pushing up then down and watching the tank rotate on both versions, on X68000 it takes like 3 times longer to turn.
No, those arcade games are readily available on compilations, and MAME, there's nothing even slightly interesting about them anymore and they're stupidly expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Don't get me wrong, arcade ports can be kinda cool/interesting at times to see the differences of the hardwares, but I would never for a second, place them higher than actual exclusives designed for a system, I mean jesus I own three versions of Street Fighter II as it is! why the hell would I find another one particularly interesting?!
Street Fighter II is on every machine under the sun, including contemporary ones, there's no reason to play the X68000 version. At all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Outside of the fact that the sound is much worse, and the resolution is much lower (meaning you don't see the enemies until they're much closer), they give you like 1/3rd the number of power-ups, the enemies are more aggressive, and the power-ups they do give you are different to the ones you get on Amiga.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Go back to playing YsIII Kamahl!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
The X68000 version is arcade perfect? We didn't get close to that on consoles until the Saturn and PS1 in the late 90's. Sure today they are a bit obsolete and expensive, but if you are going to try and rule them out with that argument we can rule out a lot of Amiga games with that same argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
Even the Commodore 64 and Spectrum has an SF2 port.
But both are shit.
Very interesting video. People have to demystify SNES. A very wrong hardware witch such time and price advantage. Also, SFII ports lacks the optimisation of the SNES version. Megadrive could have handled bigger sprites with real time decompression instead of that senseless ultraturbo modes. Even color looks like isn't hand crafted, as sheath pointed. And will not talk about that real shit sample driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Big hi to all, by the way. Reading this forum from a long time. But almost everytime from the phone, so never bothered to register. And do not hesitate to correct my lackluster english :P
It shouldn't be too hard to fix if someone with the right skills try. I don't have that skill but would like to see it done (but not enough for me to try it myself).
Crudely (very crudely) worked out -Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
the X68000 cost £3000 during its entire lifespan, that's what?$7500 odd?$4781, taking into account inflation that's most likelya little under $10,000between $9000 and $10,000 in today's money, all of the games cost ~£70-£80 odd (that's like a little over $100 each I think)
There was never a stage when buying this stuff was a good deal, it was barely better than buying the arcade cabinet itself.
Neo Geo would've been a better option IMO, the games were more expensive, but the hardware was, what?$7000$4000 odd cheaper? so in the early 90s you could get a Neo Geo and like3015-20 odd games for the price of buying the X68000 alone.
Not really, 80% of Amiga arcade ports suck ass anyway, its the originals which people play.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
EDIT: woops, really fucked this up LOL, screw one number up and it wrecks everything :(
Dude, the X68000 wipes the floor with the Amiga. Amiga games only seem to appeal to Europeans. I know I don't want to spend all my time playing slow, boring simulations and strategy games, mediocre shooters, and action games lacking japanese development talent and that force you to use up for jump. Seriously, did the people designing the Amiga not think that with the advent of 16 bit hardware there would be games complex enough to warrant more than one button?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenewguy
The X68000 had a SLIGHTLY faster CPU, a few more colors onscreen, and better sprites. It had worse sound, much worse OS, and a HUGE price tag (more than three times the price of the original Amiga, and FIVE times the price of the A500!). Games on the X68000 LOOKED better, and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by zetastrike
The Amiga supported three button controllers from the start. When it came out in 1985, one button controllers were still the standard, but many Amiga games supported two button controllers, of which you saw some in the late 80s, and more than two buttons in the 90s as multi-button controllers became the standard.