Advantages of SNES hardware vs. Genesis hardware

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

This is irrelevant, Kamahl's statement was that the X68000 had more good action games than the Amiga had in its entire library without touching the arcade ports, that's what we were discussing.

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You don't need to act like a dick to make your point. If you read my previous post with some attention it will be clear that I was aware of that.

However, you're forcing this stupid criterion of "without touching the arcade ports" while you're talking about a game that is ridiculously trying to imitate what SNK and Capcom arcade fighting games were. So it just sounds beyond stupid and hypocritical when you try to point Fighting Spirit as an "advantage" of the Amiga over the X68000 simply 'cause it's a rip off rather than a proper arcade game.
I'm not Kamahl's lawyer, it's just that you're using some childish criteria and distorting the strengths and weakness of both systems.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

Mega Drive is the measuring stick for this, and Mega Drive gives you many times the number of arcade games, and at 1000s of dollars less, who gives a crap if the X68000 has an arcade perfect version of Final Fight, I always significantly preferred Streets of Rage II to it anyway, what is there on X68000 to compare to Hard Corps? having perfect versions of arcade games doesn't make you an outstanding arcade experience at home when said games have all been superseded anyway.

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Your delusional and self-assertive approach just contributes to show how much shit you're saying.

You're clearly showing your preference for quantity against quality and that's fine with me. However, don't expect everybody will agree with you.
Some people, like me or Kamahl will care about the quality of such arcade ports rather than just counting them...

Another thing that you're using here to backup your weak arguments is the cost effectiveness. Well, I never brought this into the discussion since it all started talking about which library had more good games. I know that you already raped the concept of "good game" but in the minded world it has nothing to do with price/cost. So you can spend your money as you want but it really doesn't matter in a discussion about games library quality (do you understand that quality and affordability are different things, right?).

If you weren't so ignorant about the X68000 library you'd know that its Final Fight is nowhere near arcade perfect. It has some major flaws and actually the Mega CD version is clearly better in some aspects. One of them and which affects hugely the gameplay is that the X68000 has a very limited number of enemies on screen.
And, oh boy, the music sucks in comparison.

I didn't use the term arcade perfect in my previous posts and I usually avoid it 'cause it has been widely whored out by stupid people. This same sort of people are the ones who, in a discussions about two old systems, bring up this "superseded" argument using today's collections released for several other systems.
It's a very stupid argument 'cause: 1)Those systems didn't even exist in the past. 2)We're not talking about such systems. 3)The today's collections will often use just cheapo emulation rather than proper porting the games; but you certainly don't care about it since the number of released games is what matters to you, right?

What your preference for Streets of Rage II over Final Fight has to do with this discussion and why you brought up Hard Corps is beyond me, really. It might make a lot of sense in Alice in Wonderland though...

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

All I was thinking whilst playing Strider, and Ghouls N' Ghosts on X68000 was how well the Mega Drive versions actually captured their gameplay, and feel, and how much better value for money they were.

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Oh, this stupid argument again. Cool.
But maybe people not used with the low standards of the Amiga arcade ports will care about the tons of art content and animation frames that the MD version of Daimakaimura is lacking compared to the X68000 version.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

And how many of them are arcade perfect anyway?

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Oh, you're questioning the stupid concept that was brought to the discussion by yourself? Wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

unless I've run into an problem on two separate emulators then Newzealand Story sure as hell isn't, there are problems with the 1st boss' behavior for one thing, and I'm sure the movement speed is a little slower too, and being arcade perfect for Atomic Runner is a bad thing, Mega Drive's Atomic Runner is ludicrously better than the X68000 version.

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Again, your ignorance shows up...

First, the X68000 emulators are far from being "perfect" or even reliable enough to be used to judge how the games actually run on the system.
Also, since you're now comparing the X68000 with the Mega Drive, maybe you should know that, despite having the same title, MD and X68000 versions of The Newzealand Story are very different since the first is based on the Extra version and the later on the original one.
And the original one is far better than the Extra version; it's better balanced, has better art design and it's funnier to play.

Finally, about Atomic Runner, the MD version does have far superior graphics, BUT it was totally censored and presents a butchered version of the original art concept and story. The X68000 still remains as the only port faithful to the arcade.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

On top of that I don't see why Kamahl isn't feeling "X68000 Sadness" right now, I've already run into some stuff on X68000 which has been straight ported from much older computers with barely any (if any at all) improvements, this is a machine which cost 1000s!

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Oh, that stupid misplaced argument one more time...

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

If you want premier software then Mega Drive is a far better arcade experience at home,

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Sure... Its premier Super Hang-On runs like an old lizard compared to the X68000, which is far more faithful to the arcade and still gives you analog controls, like on the arcade.
MD's port of Atomic Robo-Kid is just laughable compared to the X68000's. The same for Viewpoint (so butchered and slow on the MD).
Street Fighter games are also faaaar superior on the X68000. The same for Daimakaimura. The same for Kyukyoku Tiger.
To not talk about After Burner, Space Harrier and Thunder Blade.

And just a reminder:
pre·mier   [pri-meer, -myeer, pree-meer]
adjective
3.
first in rank; chief; leading.
4.
first in time; earliest; oldest.

You're pretty wrong, again.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

for a pittance of the price,

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Yeah and irrelevant to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

if you want perfect arcade ports than Neo Geo is far, far cheaper and has much more consistent quality levels from game to game.

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You mad?
You couldn't handle the discussion with the Amiga so you brought up Mega Drive... But you still couldn't handle it so you brought up the Neo Geo. Nice.

The little problem with your well-informed suggestion is that most of the X68000 arcade ports aren't on the Neo Geo.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

What is this machine actually supposed to excel at? (outside of raping your wallet of course)

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What are you actually supposed to excel at? (outside of brain farting self-assertive deluded "arguments" and lack of knowledge of course)


Now go back to your 12 FPS adventure games. Please...

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

I bet I could find some perfect arcade ports on Mega Drive if I wanted to too, as already mentioned Atomic Runner is far superior to the arcade version as far as I can see, and both Mercs and Chiki Chiki Boys are arguable, arcade perfect isn't anywhere near as rare as people make out.

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I have already addressed Atomic Runner above...
Mercs has far worse colors, is missing a lot of of graphic details and lacks the 2P mode.
Chiki Chiki Boys looks and sounds great but also lacks the 2P mode.

That is what you call "arcade perfect"? :rofl:

So, this is so far off-topic to the original post at hand.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

Rubbish, all I've seen is 2nd rate console-style exclusive games on X68000 and arcade ports.

Wow! Castlevania, you'd never see something like that on a console! you'd never see arcade ports or Ys III, and Valis II on a console!

I bet I could find some perfect arcade ports on Mega Drive if I wanted to too, as already mentioned Atomic Runner is far superior to the arcade version as far as I can see, and both Mercs and Chiki Chiki Boys are arguable, arcade perfect isn't anywhere near as rare as people make out.

This is no better than saying you'd take 7800 over NES as far as I'm concerned, why don't you write some reviews of all these Amiga games you've played and don't like?

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I'd take the NES over the 7800 in that scenario. There is little to nothing on the 7800 that interested me. Have I played an Amiga game? No. But I've looked into it and there's really little to nothing that interests me. The Turrican's look fun, but at the same time I can just get Mega Turrican on the Genesis and be happy. There's very little on the system that makes me want to go get an Amiga. The X68000 has great Arcade ports (which yes I can get on other systems now, which makes it less useful), as well as a lot of interesting Japanese games that I find more interesting. So if I had the choice between an X68000 or an Amiga, I'd take the X68000, it just appeals to my interests more.

As for the experience you kind of miss the point. Yes you can get Arcade ports on Consoles of the time, but they pale in comparison to the X68000 versions. Are you really telling me that given the choice between playing Street Fighter II on the Genesis or the X68000 you'd choose the Genesis port? The X68000 has amazing Arcade ports for its time and some great exclusives that make it more appealing to me than the Amiga. Am I comparing it to the Genesis? No, because it's not really fair to do so.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

If I were in a room and on one table was an Amiga with it's entire library, and on the other an X68000 with it's entire library and I was told I could have one or the other completely free, I'd take the X68000. There's more on it that appeals to be and the games on both systems are typically better on the X68000.

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I would take the X68000 as well! ...because it's expensive as F__K and I would still be able to afford the Amiga, which means I'd have BOTH. ;) :lol:

Seriously, people (and often companies) forget that most people don't choose - they buy most or all the selections available. It's not a matter of A or B or C, it's A and B and C. :D

I don't have X68000 sadness because although there's a lot of shitty PC-98 ports, there's also:
1. A ton of exclusives that make great usage of the hardware.
2. Near perfect arcade ports.
3. Cool homebrew (Cho Ren Sha is technically homebrew for example).
4. That japanese attention to game design that was missing in too many western games.

While on the Amiga:
1. Very few exclusives that make even good usage of the hardware (Disposable Hero, Virocop... Ruff'n'Tumble has frame rate issues, Shadow of the Beast 3 has weird colors...)
2. Horrible arcade ports
3. Very few notable homebrew, most of it garbage
4. Horrible crimes in game design.

So no, I have no reason to have a X68000 sadness thread. For the price it had the level of support it was given is actually surprising.

Plus, I think the Amiga hardware is way cooler, so naturally I'll be sadder that it wasn't used more. The X68000 has super powerful but rather "standard" hardware.

I don't know why but this thread inspires me to make a new thread along the lines of "AES vs MVS, spot the differences in gameplay!!!!"

It would be a witch hunt.

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Originally Posted by zyrobs

It's the musician making the tracks who matters, not the publisher. Case in point, the theme track of Road Rash 2, which has a real hard rock feel - nice bass, heavy drums, and long guitar solos:



oh yeah, and it was done by Rob Hubbard, who rocked the C64 scene with some of its best tunes.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Speaking of Electric Guitars, Rob Hubbard and EA:

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If either of these are examples of Rob Hubbard's work I really am not impressed at all. These would be two prime examples of bad Genesis music. In comparison to Yuzo Koshiro's work, or really any 1st party Sega game, or Renovation, NCS or Namco game has better audio by_far.

Target Earth Level 1 sounds much better even though it evades real electric guitar sound right after the bass.

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Originally Posted by sheath

Target Earth Level 1 sounds much better even though it evades real electric guitar sound right after the bass.

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Target Earth, fuck yeah! Love the music in that game.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

What bothers me most about the Genesis port of SFII is some of the color choices. The skin tones just look weird on a lot of the characters and some choices contrast in the most hideous ways.

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Yeah, some of the choices Capcom made for colors in the home SFII ports were just odd. None of the 3 ports were as good audio/visual wise as they could have been, especially for the TG16 and Genesis versions.

Case in point, I was screwing around with Ryu's stage a while back (it always stood out to me as being particularly horrible looking) and came up with this (which is completely possible on a Genesis; the 4 palettes are reserved for the same assets they are in the original).

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4324/sfiiryugen.png
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9400/sfiiryugennew.png
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4...iryuarcade.png

It shouldn't be hard to fix the color palettes. Just gotta find out in the ROM where they are stored. Of course that won't help restore detail.

Yes the ports were handled horribly.....too bad homebrewing a custom port would be....well....an insane undertaking.

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/supersta...rtaker-bio.png

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Originally Posted by sheath

Target Earth Level 1 sounds much better even though it evades real electric guitar sound right after the bass.

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That sounds like a Kazoo being raped with someone tapping on their leg to simulate drums.

bass guitar is very naiss though

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Originally Posted by TmEE

bass guitar is very naiss though

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That I agree.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

That sounds like a Kazoo being raped with someone tapping on their leg to simulate drums.

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I don't know about no kazoos, all I hear is awesome.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

Target Earth, fuck yeah! Love the music in that game.

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You like it too? I wouldn't have guessed. ;)

Here's some more!
Level 1

Level 2

Level 3

Score & Item Screens

Level 4

Title Screen

Level 6

Ending

The level 2 & 5 tracks + the ending theme sound substantially better then rest.

Level 1 - Horrible drums and kazoos
Level 3 - Is actually pretty good sounding, but the song itself is boring.
Level 4 - More kazoo's that sound out of sync (the intro is great though)
Level 6 - Farts
Score & Items - Boring song, doesn't sound that great either.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Level 1 - Horrible drums

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Actually, I thought that about the examples you posted before. :p

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

The level 2 & 5 tracks + the ending theme sound substantially better then rest.

Level 1 - Horrible drums and kazoos
Level 3 - Is actually pretty good sounding, but the song itself is boring.
Level 4 - More kazoo's that sound out of sync (the intro is great though)
Level 6 - Farts
Score & Items - Boring song, doesn't sound that great either.

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Huh, I'd call level 3 and 4 and 6's tunes the most interesting and nuanced. If I heard a fart like Level 6's main instrument I'd die laughing. I thought you were a fan of the lower keys.

I really don't hear Kazoo in these instruments, at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC65ufGUvKM

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Originally Posted by sheath

I thought you were a fan of the lower keys.

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Please... This is what I'm a fan of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFSF6RhFJak

Not Brurururururur to make a deep sound.

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Originally Posted by Barone

try to point Fighting Spirit as an "advantage" of the Amiga over the X68000 simply 'cause it's a rip off rather than a proper arcade game.

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You guys are attempting to make out a bunch of redundant arcade ports which are available oftentimes in a better state are some kind of advantage?! what the hell is the point in paying tons of money to play Final Fight on the X68000 when so many ports are available?!? whats the point of emulating it on X68000 over MAME?!

Answer: there isn't any at all.

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Originally Posted by Barone

You're clearly showing your preference for quantity against quality and that's fine with me. However, don't expect everybody will agree with you. Some people, like me or Kamahl will care about the quality of such arcade ports rather than just counting them...

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Streets of Rage 2 is better quality than Final Fight, Hard Corps is better quality than Ghouls N Ghosts, Gunstar Heroes is better quality than Ghouls N Ghosts, Alien Soldier is better quality than Ghouls N Ghosts. I would take Shinobi over Strider too.

All you're arguing is graphics, you're not arguing quality at all.

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Originally Posted by Barone

Sure... Its premier Super Hang-On runs like an old lizard compared to the X68000, which is far more faithful to the arcade and still gives you analog controls, like on the arcade.

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Again, retarded, people play Road Rash on Mega Drive, Super Hang-On is an afterthought, if Super Hang-On was arcade perfect on Mega Drive most people would still play Road Rash anyway.

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Originally Posted by Barone

Another thing that you're using here to backup your weak arguments is the cost effectiveness. Well, I never brought this into the discussion since it all started talking about which library had more good games.

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Actually we've been arguing about multiple things, such as simply taking the X68000 over the Amiga, cost effectiveness enters the equation there.

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Originally Posted by Barone

I know that you already raped the concept of "good game"

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Another cynical piece of bullshit, Valis II is 3 or 4 full points worse than anything I listed, the game is clearly an unprofessional mess, Kamahl scrapped the bottom of the barrel just to pad up a list to get to an utterly pathetic 20 odd non-arcade ports.

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Originally Posted by Barone

Final Fight is nowhere near arcade perfect. It has some major flaws and actually the Mega CD version is clearly better in some aspects. One of them and which affects hugely the gameplay is that the X68000 has a very limited number of enemies on screen. And, oh boy, the music sucks in comparison.

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Great way to hurt your argument even further.

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Originally Posted by Barone

you certainly don't care about it since the number of released games is what matters to you, right?

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Numbers of good games matters to me, you're the guys bringing up the painfully mediocre ones.

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Originally Posted by Barone

maybe you should know that, despite having the same title, MD and X68000 versions of The Newzealand Story are very different since the first is based on the Extra version and the later on the original one.

And the original one is far better than the Extra version; it's better balanced, has better art design and it's funnier to play.

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Christ know where this irrelevant comment came from, I never compared the two to each other.

Check the Newzealand Story review here, I say pretty much the same thing last year.

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Originally Posted by Barone

Mercs has far worse colors, is missing a lot of of graphic details and lacks the 2P mode.

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And plays massively superior, my gameplaying breakdown on this is 80% Original mode, arcade mode is barely worth bothering with, 3 player or not.

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Originally Posted by Barone

Chiki Chiki Boys looks and sounds great but also lacks the 2P mode.

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and has loads of gameplay improvements

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Originally Posted by Barone

That is what you call "arcade perfect"?

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No, this is what I call superior to arcade.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

A ton of exclusives that make great usage of the hardware.

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You couldn't even list 20 without scrapping the bottom of the barrel, and 3 or 4 of them looked inferior to most Master System games.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

(Amiga) Very few exclusives that make even good usage of the hardware (Disposable Hero, Virocop... Ruff'n'Tumble has frame rate issues, Shadow of the Beast 3 has weird colors...)

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Some of the X68000 games you listed didn't even scroll properly, Valis IIs vertical scrolling is moving in like 8 pixel increments or some shit, I checked out Genocide 1 as well out of curiosity and the sprite movement is really choppy, you complain about Atari ST ports and yet the X68000 has just as many ports from inferior machines.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Most of the games on your platformer list are horrible ports (like puggsy or addams family). All the games on my list are above average (besides kaizoku yeah and ys 3, but thats only because i don't like ys.

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And Valis II, I'd sure as hell rather play Ys III than Valis II

Also you didn't actually list any platform games yet, you listed 6 arcade action sidecrollers.

Who said anything about emulating X68000 games? I agree emulating an X68000 port of a CPS1 game is a bit redundant as you could use MAME instead. We were talking about real hardware. If I was given the option between a real X68000 vs a Real Amiga 500 or even a 1200 I'd take the X68000 over it. That was the freaking point.

No one was comparing it to the Genesis or SNES, it was being compared to the Amiga. It was only brought up to show that top of the line computers of the time still used FM synthesis by default. You and TA have taken that and shoved words down everyones throat and turned this into a shitstorm debate of stupidity. Just stop, both of you. You've both clearly missed the point and you're just making asses of yourselves.

I have trouble playing the SNES. The controls are simply not as tight. I play Hours of my Sega genesis and switch over to SNES to get som hours in on Yoshi Island and while an EXTREMELY beautiful game it has such a step back in terms of action and control. I am currently trying get through Contra on the SNES and it does but up a good fight in terms of controls but the MD IMHO is so fluid and allows so much more action on screan the SNES pales except in RPG's.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

You guys are attempting to make out a bunch of redundant arcade ports which are available oftentimes in a better state are some kind of advantage?! what the hell is the point in paying tons of money to play Final Fight on the X68000 when so many ports are available?!? whats the point of emulating it on X68000 over MAME?!

Answer: there isn't any at all.

Streets of Rage 2 is better quality than Final Fight, Hard Corps is better quality than Ghouls N Ghosts, Gunstar Heroes is better quality than Ghouls N Ghosts, Alien Soldier is better quality than Ghouls N Ghosts. I would take Shinobi over Strider too.

All you're arguing is graphics, you're not arguing quality at all.

Again, retarded, people play Road Rash on Mega Drive, Super Hang-On is an afterthought, if Super Hang-On was arcade perfect on Mega Drive most people would still play Road Rash anyway.

Actually we've been arguing about multiple things, such as simply taking the X68000 over the Amiga, cost effectiveness enters the equation there.

Another cynical piece of bullshit, Valis II is 3 or 4 full points worse than anything I listed, the game is clearly an unprofessional mess, Kamahl scrapped the bottom of the barrel just to pad up a list to get to an utterly pathetic 20 odd non-arcade ports.

Great way to hurt your argument even further.

Numbers of good games matters to me, you're the guys bringing up the painfully mediocre ones.

Christ know where this irrelevant comment came from, I never compared the two to each other.

Check the Newzealand Story review here, I say pretty much the same thing last year.

And plays massively superior, my gameplaying breakdown on this is 80% Original mode, arcade mode is barely worth bothering with, 3 player or not.

and has loads of gameplay improvements

No, this is what I call superior to arcade.

You couldn't even list 20 without scrapping the bottom of the barrel, and 3 or 4 of them looked inferior to most Master System games.

Some of the X68000 games you listed didn't even scroll properly, Valis IIs vertical scrolling is moving in like 8 pixel increments or some shit, I checked out Genocide 1 as well out of curiosity and the sprite movement is really choppy, you complain about Atari ST ports and yet the X68000 has just as many ports from inferior machines.

And Valis II, I'd sure as hell rather play Ys III than Valis II

Also you didn't actually list any platform games yet, you listed 6 arcade action sidecrollers.

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You're a bad joke, pal... So many lies, distortions and absurd assumptions in your post that you just can't be taken seriously.
Go play your arcade perfect half-assed adaptations and try to man up before discuss about platforms and games that you don't know with us again.

Enough with the X68k vs Amiga discussion already. Make a separate thread if you want.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

No one was comparing it to the Genesis or SNES, it was being compared to the Amiga.

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As soon as people started making out the x68000 was some kind of great action-arcade game machine a comparison with Mega Drive was required because at that stage it stops being an argument against Amiga and starts being about bullshit hyperbole, X68000 aint no Mega Drive, it has some great ports of some really common arcade games, that's it, that doesn't make it compete as a player in the major leagues.

Amiga library isn't some 2nd rate knock-off of the Mega Drive's library with a few superior arcade ports, it has its own library of original and unique games, games which greatly vary in tone, presentation and gameplay style to consoles.

I've said it before, sometimes I want to play a balls to the wall linear Japanese action game, and sometimes I want to explore a big non linear Amiga action game with one of my buddies on 2-player co-op, pelting a boss with Molotov cocktails and listening to euro style music. X68000 has the 4th best Castlevania of its generation? big muthafucking deal, excuse me while I go and play Rondo of Blood instead.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

You and TA have taken that and shoved words down everyone's throat and turned this into a shitstorm debate of stupidity.

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I did nothing of the sort, I stayed out of posting in this boring, overdone topic until people brought the Amiga into it with talk of its obvious inferiority to the barely notable X68000 port-machine.

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Originally Posted by Agost118

You're a bad joke, pal... So many lies, distortions and absurd assumptions in your post that you just can't be taken seriously.
Go play your arcade perfect half-assed adaptations and try to man up before discuss about platforms and games that you don't know with us again.

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The whimpering of someone who knows he's got nowhere to go.

Go back to playing all your amazing exclusives (even though the two of you struggled to list 20 games), and your expensive arcade ports (one of which you just admitted was inferior to the common Mega CD version).

Valis II, jesus fucking christ the two of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Please... This is what I'm a fan of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFSF6RhFJak[/video]

Not Brurururururur to make a deep sound.

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That is definitely awesome. Around here plenty of people think stuffing their trunks full of subwolfers and making the whole car make that Brururururuuuuur rupp ruup sound is awesome. I don't think it is, but they do. When the sound isn't loosening screws and bolts I find it okay in moderation.

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Originally Posted by sheath

Around here plenty of people think stuffing their trunks full of subwolfers and making the whole car make that Brururururuuuuur rupp ruup sound is awesome. I don't think it is, but they do. When the sound isn't loosening screws and bolts I find it okay in moderation.

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Once again I have the feeling that you live just a few blocks from my house.

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Originally Posted by sheath

The PCE uses the Card ROM like RAM. If I recall it is better at streaming animation off ROM than the SNES, which is why the Arcade Card works so well for NEO GEO fighters and stuff like Sapphire. I thought it was better than the Genesis too, but Zebbe told me that its ROM speed is fast enough to stream animation as well. Bottom line is, as long is there is enough ROM for animation the PCE can display it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA3uoEAeyw

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I'm not really impressed with the Genesis version here. It has missing voice samples (Round 1) and it doesn't zoom in during close quarters combat.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I'm not really impressed with the Genesis version here. It has missing voice samples (Round 1) and it doesn't zoom in during close quarters combat.

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There is a comprehensive thread floating around about the differences. Basically the only things the Genesis version has going for it is the gameplay controls being easier and the background detail being unique and higher. It's kind of lame that they couldn't have tried for the zoomed in parts in the same way the ACD version does it, just switching between resolutions.

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Originally Posted by sheath

It's kind of lame that they couldn't have tried for the zoomed in parts in the same way the ACD version does it, just switching between resolutions.

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Yeah, but you gotta remember the PCE has a lot more resolution control than the genesis does, so the genesis version would be a much sharper change (only 2 options).

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Yeah, but you gotta remember the PCE has a lot more resolution control than the genesis does, so the genesis version would be a much sharper change (only 2 options).

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The PCE version only jumps between two resolutions.

Yeah the PCE with that upgraded bios and rom/ram really upgrades that 8-bit hardware into a beast.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

The PCE version only jumps between two resolutions.

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No, it doesn't. There's a much smoother vertical "scaling" going on too.

Yeah, the PCE one has 5 frames of scaling. Mid res (wide shot, frame 0), immediate switch to low res(frame 1), and 3 frames after that with a hsync routine to shrink the screen vertically.

It may not look as great at the Arcade scaling (duh!), or even the SNES one (which suffers from less tiles so less detail)... but(!) it does scale. Even if it just switched between low and high res (well, mid res), the effect is much greater than that. You know, it effects the gameplay itself. Love it or hate it, it replicates the original gameplay somewhat. The Genesis could have done this as well, but you'll have to deal with the sprites scaling as well. SNES version does the scaling sprites, but they may very well be prescaled(not on rom, but at the start of the stage with software/etc) in WRAM. 128k of the snes work ram is a pretty decent size to hold frames. Or the Genesis could do the 'overlap' method or some other fast trick to show the sprites. The PCE sprites are not stored uncompressed (like they do with World Hereos 2 and FF PCE games), so I don't know what it's doing. But I suspect that it's skipping vertical lines when uploading said frame to vram. Which is slower (more cpu resource) than having two sets of sprites... but the PCE seems to get away with it. Kinda makes the PCE port even more impressive now that I think about it. But I still don't care much for this game :P

Yeah, and I'm not sure that Magic Engine emulates the scaling correctly. It is jarring in emulation, but on the console it isn't at all. My only problem with Art of Fighting is that it is fricking hard, I can't seem to beat it!

Magic Engine can't emulate it correctly. I think mednafen does.

Isn't Ootake more accurate?

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Isn't Ootake more accurate?

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Ootake can probably do it too.

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How would you know if they were any different? Do you even have a x68k, a cps1/2, a cps1/2 devkit, or any low level knowledge on how to program on any of those

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Do You ? . if not I would shut up

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X68000 gave you an outstanding arcade experience at home and its great games sounded, looked and played much better than the Amiga ones IMO.

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Yeah and it cost like 2 to 3 times has much to buy the hardware . I've never been a fan of doing these sort of comparisons given the huge gulf differenced between the 2

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The 3D games on the amiga are barely playable, while geograph seal is better than starfox.

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There's plenty of playable 3D games on the Amiga , back then you could put up with sub 30 fps and to me Stunt car racer and the like are some of the best 3D games one could play at the time

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All I was thinking whilst playing Strider, and Ghouls N' Ghosts on X68000 was how well the Mega Drive versions actually captured their gameplay, and feel, and how much better value for money they were

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Yep at a fraction of the cost and to me Ghost N Ghouls had better music than the Arcade version too.

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Its premier Super Hang-On runs like an old lizard compared to the X68000,

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It hardly looks great on the X68000 and the Mega Drive version also features a brilliant consumer mode

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if Super Hang-On was arcade perfect on Mega Drive most people would still play Road Rash anyway

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I wouldn't . To me Super Hang On is the best bike racer ever made

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You and TA have taken that and shoved words down everyones throat and turned this into a shitstorm debate of stupidity. Just stop, both of you. You've both clearly missed the point and you're just making asses of yourselves.

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I'm sorry you and others started to bring the X68000 into this , even posted videos too.

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but you gotta remember the PCE has a lot more resolution control than the genesis does, so the genesis version would be a much sharper change (only 2 options)

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And you need to remember SEGA Japan made the MD version in house and yet it still sounded worse than the Snes version . That to me (trying to get back on Topic) is why it would have been better if the MD had a more capable sound chip