Advantages of SNES hardware vs. Genesis hardware

Well, lets put it this way then, the PS2 had framerate and resolution problems, both screen and texture, for its entire life and had enumerable disk read errors for its mid and late life due to its design. This put its color fidelity and over all graphical prowess behind the Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox in the average game. Only a handful of first and third party exclusives ever approached these other system's normal graphic quality.

The PS2 is worse than the Saturn by a mile when it comes to standing up in cross platform comparisons.

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You bitched about anyone posting emulated videos

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? I don't . I simply say to the ones who don't like to use emu's links with the Snes, why is it ok to use emu link for other systems like the MD. And if be nice if you at least said sorry for me linking Mega CD videos that aren't the real deal .

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Even though playing the rom on the everdrive is a 100% identical experience

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Playing on Emu is these days bar issues around controls and the like . I'm sure anyone buy's the Neo Geo X isn't really going to notice any difference to the real thing (The Neo Geo CD emu on the X-Box is just like the real thing is all but name (and I do own the Neo Geo CD ) . Unless you want to be totally anal about it and this talk of FM sound being hard to emu is laughable , when people have been playing Mame emus of all their fav Coin Up for years , how many actually own a real Street Fighter II coin up here (and so know exactly what its FM sounds like ? ) what about the system 16 board its self ? . No that's ok I guess its only the MD FM sound that difficult to emulate

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Yes, Starfox has a great soundtrack. No one is denying that.

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I know . Its sound brilliant and features some brilliant rifs that the MD chip would find hard going - The game sound brilliant

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TA, SNES drums and guitars muffled. Genesis drums and guitars crisp and unique.

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The Snes did those effects better , lets face it . There some nice drums in MD games, but Electric Guitar effects the MD did have a tough time doing

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How is your japanese

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I don't understand the language at all . Not that's stop me or hundreds of other Importing

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Yeah that's why it sold better than all other consoles of the time

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The Super Nintendo outsold the Mega Drive by a massive amount. Having clean cut hardware doesn't make that much difference - It never really helped the MS the Dreamcast or the Cube .

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The video you posted earlier in this very thread was obviously using emulation, and you can hear the difference

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The game still sound fab I own a actual Snes, and Mega Drive - I don't need to use emu other than the simple convenience it offers be that in the home or linking videos

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8...a17abe68_c.jpg

There are some Snes games that are doing stuff in terms of music and samples that the MD has a tough job to emulate . I'm not posting links to games that I don't own and know dam well what they sound like for real on actual Hardware

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

I don't understand the language at all . Not that's stop me or hundreds of other Importing

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So, you don't collect games, you just buying boxes with pretty pictures.
And how possessing box with meaningless thing to you, better than translated rom on flash cart, what you can actually play, understand and enjoy?

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

The Super Nintendo outsold the Mega Drive by a massive amount. Having clean cut hardware doesn't make that much difference - It never really helped the MS the Dreamcast or the Cube .

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Not so massive.

SNES: Units sold - 49.10 million
MD: Units sold - 37.4 to over 41.9 million
Very similar to today picture with Xbox 360 and PS3.

And reasons for it?

Bad Marketing.

"Market share of US video game industry (end of 1993): Nintendo 51%, Sega 39%. [349.35]
Market share of worldwide video game industry (end of 1993): Sega about 50%. [375.60]"
"November 22 - Sega introduces the Saturn video game system in Japan.""
islandnet.com/~kpolsson/segavid/index.htm

"According to market data, SEGA had a 55-percent share. But when SEGA started fracturing its audience with add-ons like the SEGA CD and 32X and Nintendo kept on producing triple-A games for its loyal fans, the battle was won. "
retro.ign.com/articles/965/965032p1.html

"Sega Mega Drive/Genesis: Discontinued - WW 1997
Super Nintendo: Discontinued - NA 1999"
wikipedia.org

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So, you don't collect games, you just buying boxes with pretty pictures

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Huh ? I buy games to play them at the end of the day

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better than translated rom on flash cart, what you can actually play, understand and enjoy

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I know you're trying to be clever , but even clever people didn't have a Flash Cart back for their MD back 1994 that would translate the txt - One had to import the title to enjoy it; You see I don't collect games now I bought them at the actual time of release and simply held on to them . Now thanks to XBLA I'm playing the game in English and even though its an emu - There's next to any different between the actual game , right down to the music to it on the MD.

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Very similar to today picture with Xbox 360 and PS3.

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try No . PS3 and 360 sales are very close in actual fact. Not the case with the Snes and Mega Drive

NCL drops support for its systems has soon has the next Hardware is ready to go. SEGA was no different . The big difference was NCL didn't try to market and developer for dual 64 Bit machines. It had just a single machine to market for and support (in terms of non portable systems )

I think that TA needs to post more pics as proof of his possession=133tness until everyone has no choice but to bow down to his wisdom 'cause he owns more games.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

I think that TA needs to post more pics as proof of his possession=133tness until everyone has no choice but to bow down to his wisdom 'cause he owns more games.

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segagagadomain will win outright on that front But you can be sure the console games I like or rate - I own the actual games in question with no emu in-sight very much like segagagadomain .
So when it comes to sound I do know exactly what they sound like for real on that front the better sounding Snes games were more impressive than the MD ones

and what that mega SEGA site that is segagagadomain have to say about SF II on the MD?

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The Mega Drive has always been the under dog when it came to 1 on 1 beat'em ups. The Super Famicom had more colours, better sound and more support from the likes of Capcom and Takara, the later being responsible for many SNK conversions. So it comes as no surprise that the Mega Drive version of Super Street Fighter 2 is lacking in quite a few areas behind the Super Famicom version. First off you'll notice that the audio is pretty bad. BGM and sound effects could have been so much better. Of course the speech is pretty awful as in many Mega Drive games but it's not even all there!. Next comes the graphics. You can clearly see the lack of colours and detail that the original arcade and Super Famicom version have plus this game plays in a box making the small-ish characters seem even smalle

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I guess he's not a SEGA fan too .

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

You see I don't collect games now I bought them at the actual time of release and simply held on to them .

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And this fact make you are better than people with flashcarts?
I physically could not do that, for example. No official N and SEGA products in my country for 1990-2000. Hell, i think only Xbox 360 and PS3 make it with localisation and everything.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

try No . PS3 and 360 sales are very close in actual fact. Not the case with the Snes and Mega Drive

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PS3 - Xbox 360 - 2M (and they still on the market, xbox make more sales with 99$ price).
Snes - Mega Drive - 9M.

Huge gap, c'mon.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

NCL drops support for its systems has soon has the next Hardware is ready to go. SEGA was no different . The big difference was NCL didn't try to market and developer for dual 64 Bit machines. It had just a single machine to market for and support (in terms of non portable systems )

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NCL?
If you are mean big N, when you are wrong.

N64: Release date - NA September 26, 1996
And SNES was cancelled in 1999.
So few years after SEGA fully drops 16-bit market, N get all the sales.

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And this fact make you are better than people with flashcarts

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No . All it means is unlike eveildragons makes out. I'm a SEGA fan and fan of the Mega Drive and bought the games at the time, that's all .

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No official N and SEGA products in my country for 1990-2000.

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?. most of the Mega CD games I own all had to be imported , same for the Saturn and DC. Its nothing big or hard about it Just what you had to do at the time in order to play the better games on the said system.

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N64: Release date - NA September 26, 1996
And SNES was cancelled in 1999.

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? What games were NCL making for the Snes in 1997 , 1998,1999 ? I put to you next to none . What games did NCL bring out for the N64 after the Cube , and I put to you it be the same with the Wii has NCl drops it in favour of the Wii U.

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N get all the sales

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Where ? They already had Japan and in the USA and West SEGA had the bigger marketshare in 1995 and lost that not to NCL, but SONY.

(Since the picture can't be hotlinked).

Fry saying "Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.".

The snes had a longer time in the spotlight especially since it took so long to get the N64. Point being the SNES had time in the spotlight after Sega began to dismantle itself.

The snes had a longer time in the spotlight especially since it took so long to get the N64. Point being the SNES had time in the spotlight after Sega began to dismantle itself.

Yay for double posts! Several minutes later!

I bought my copy of monster world 4 just to legitly own it so I wouldn't feel bad playing a translated version on my mega everdrive. Of course I'm not going to open up the expensive cart and install a translated rom.

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Originally Posted by blackbirdru

So, you don't collect games, you just buying boxes with pretty pictures.
And how possessing box with meaningless thing to you, better than translated rom on flash cart, what you can actually play, understand and enjoy?

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I don't think he's trolling. Stupidity is an opinion.

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Originally Posted by evildragon

(Since the picture can't be hotlinked).

Fry saying "Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.".

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All hail the e-penis!

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

I think that TA needs to post more pics as proof of his possession=133tness until everyone has no choice but to bow down to his wisdom 'cause he owns more games.

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Really I'm sure 9 million genesii would have sold if they kept it around for another 4 years...

Even if the snes is a pain to program for it has some impressive hardware capabilities for its time. To me the snes always stood out on top because it had a lot of cool and flashy hardware effects. I think a console should be something where all the power goes into visuals, sound and control but not sheer processing power.

Again TA you missed the fucking point of my post. Go back and read it. I said Starfox has a good soundtrack but the samples are low, muffled, and full of reverb. They most certainly do not sound any better than instruments on the Genesis.

And answer the god damn question. Can you hear the difference between the original emulated video you posted and the real hardware recordings I posted?

As for sales the SNES only outsold the Genesis because of Japan. Take Japans sales away for both systems and the Genesis sold more internationally. The Genesis sold more in the US and Europe.

Oh and a flash cart is not the same as emulation.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

What games were NCL making for the Snes in 1997 , 1998,1999

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Games does not matter.
Matters availability of console on the market.

Look at this graph.
Sales chart

Yeah, ~3-4M. Just because SEGA give up on 16-bit market.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

As for sales the SNES only outsold the Genesis because of Japan. Take Japans sales away for both systems and the Genesis sold more internationally. The Genesis sold more in the US and Europe.

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Very smart observation, lad.
Japan sales helps a lot SNES to go 1 place.

It seems that Nintendo's huge sales of the SNES in Japan (17.7 million) have led to the general assumption that the Mega Drive was "beaten" everywhere, when in fact Japan was the only major market where this occurred. Japan's figures gave the total SNES sales a huge 49.1 million, compared to Sega's 39.7 million.
http://segatastic.blogspot.ru/2009/1...es-update.html



Also, TA clearly Nintendo Fanboy.

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The snes had a longer time in the spotlight especially since it took so long to get the N64. Point being the SNES had time in the spotlight after Sega began to dismantle itself

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Really I'm sure 9 million genesii would have sold if they kept it around for another 4 years.

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Not really . People forget the Mega drive came out in 1988 and SEGA Japan kept on making games right through into 1995 , that's the time frame in games support has the Snes from NCL (more so even) and that's overlooking that NCL only supported the Snes for so long because of Hardware delays with the N64 project;If the original plan for the N64 had gone ahead the Snes would have been dropped in 1995 - So many people forget that .

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They most certainly do not sound any better than instruments on the Genesis.

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The electronic Guitar rifts are better than almost any heard in any Mega Drive game .

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And answer the god damn question. Can you hear the difference between the original emulated video you posted and the real hardware recordings I posted

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Don't come the attitude with me. I know full well how good Star Fox sounds for real and it sounds a lot better than most MD games muffled sound or not. It's funny to get lectures from you about and the MD defence force about linking music that's emu, when you and others here are linking MD links to games that never had a Music test mode for starters , or games like Alien Solider (where is most cases it's running on emu).

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As for sales the SNES only outsold the Genesis because of Japan. Take Japans sales away for both systems and the Genesis sold more internationally

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Actually the Snes sold very well in the Europe . No that it matters the Snes sold millions more units than the Mega Drive at the end of the day

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Oh and a flash cart is not the same as emulation.

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? We know , but its not the same has owning the actual game (isn't that what fans of systems are meant to do , but the acutal games ?) and with requards to Wonderboy IV there wasn't a flash cart around back in 1994 that allowed the user to download the patch to English . One had to import the game and put up with the text . That is also one of my points on how people here are not looking back to what it was like at the actual time , with regards to development tools and know-how.
Totally different era and ways of thinking

thecre were things like Super Magicr Drive and Game Dactor and whatnot, a lot of them.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

? What games were NCL making for the Snes in 1997 , 1998,1999 ? I put to you next to none .

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Matters not games, but availability on the market.

Look at this chart - SNES sales in last years
Yeah, ~3-4M just because SEGA give up in 16-bit market.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

As for sales the SNES only outsold the Genesis because of Japan. Take Japans sales away for both systems and the Genesis sold more internationally. The Genesis sold more in the US and Europe.

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Great observation, lad.

It seems that Nintendo's huge sales of the SNES in Japan (17.7 million) have led to the general assumption that the Mega Drive was "beaten" everywhere, when in fact Japan was the only major market where this occurred. Japan's figures gave the total SNES sales a huge 49.1 million, compared to Sega's 39.7 million.
http://segatastic.blogspot.ru/2009/1...es-update.html

Japan sales helped SNES a lot to be on the first place.

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Originally Posted by TmEE

thecre were things like Super Magicr Drive and Game Dactor and whatnot, a lot of them.

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In my area you can freely buy chinese copy of mega drive game with pirate translate. Even in the nineties (and to this day, i can buy such type of cart in my local store :D).
Heck, even famicom/dendy games had some translates.
And i still don't understand, why import game you can't play, because of language barrier.

I have japanese Phantasy Star 3 in my childhood, but i doesn't understand sh*t. And buy it because of pretty cart label. Pointless to mention, i can't beat it.

Lol TA still didn't answer the question if he hears the difference between real and emulated.

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Matters not games

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It matters . You could say the same about NES games sales, but I think SEGA were right to go early with Mega Drive and NCL wrong to go late with Snes in the USA

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Japan sales helped SNES a lot to be on the first place.

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And USA sales helped the 360 , while the system is outsold in Europe and Japan, US sales helped with the DC while the system sold poor in Europe and not so great in Japan and European sales helped with the Master System .

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Yeah, ~3-4M just because SEGA give up in 16-bit market

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SEGA Japan kept supporting the Mega Drive into 1995 with software that's 7 years of supporting a system . Better than what most corps do, including NCL

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Lol TA still didn't answer the question

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I've answered the question . The game sounds brilliant and better than a lot of Mega Drive games even in Mono . I do laugh at this board and emu state . Yes its fine to like emu's when it comes to 32 X games, Mega Drive game, hell even Sharp X6800 games, but not Snes games , WHY ? Is because truth be told games like Super Castlevania IV, Star Fox, F-Zero and Metroid sounded better than most MD games.

And btw I'm still waiting for you to apologise about me linking Mega CD videos than are emu

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Originally Posted by evildragon

Lol TA still didn't answer the question if he hears the difference between real and emulated.

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Of course he is, who can't hear it ? but i somehow understand its point...
Even if i prefer the genesis, i have to admit the SNES generally sounds better and music looks far more sophisticated.
But i do agree on the fact that the Sega Genesis can deliver good PCM playback quality, even better than SNES. This is true for multi PCM playback too.
If Sega would have more invested in its SDK then the sound on PCM sound on genesis could have been far better from what we generally obtained.
The hardware design has severe flaws too but nothing making good PCM impossible.
I managed to get good PCM playback while having large DMA so even in the worst case you can get it.
If Sega has provided that type of driver during the megadrive life then almost games would have good PCM sound.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

I've answered the question . The game sounds brilliant and better than a lot of Mega Drive games even in Mono . I do laugh at this board and emu state . Yes its fine to like emu's when it comes to 32 X games, Mega Drive game, hell even Sharp X6800 games, but not Snes games , WHY ? Is because truth be told games like Super Castlevania IV, Star Fox, F-Zero and Metroid sounded better than most MD games.

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Oh please stop on that... I do agree the Starfox musics are still awesome even when they come from the muffled output (and yes it is) from the real hardware but at least you can recognize the sound is not clear, and far less clear than megadrive sound can be.
If SNES produces more sophisticated sounds, the Sega Genesis produces more clearer sounds, that is a fact. The SNES barely output a muffled 32 Khz from 8 Khz interpolated samples where FM generate digital data @ 55 Khz so of course the Genesis sounds far more clear...
If you try to play the best clearer voice sample on each machine, you will obtain the best quality on the Sega machine, again because of the horrible SNES audio filtering.

And nobody promoted emulator use for genesis games, there is no point is using emulator to demonstrate superiority in genesis music as emulator makes music worst than the real system almost time (unlike the snes), but everybody already told ya that but seems you read or see only parts which interest you.

One question to rule them all.

Must....correct.....THE INTERNETS!!

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

And answer the god damn question. Can you hear the difference between the original emulated video you posted and the real hardware recordings I posted?

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Not sure what you mean by "low" but yes starfox samples are muffled and full of reverb, but I do think starfox sounds better than a lot of genesis games do. If you want me to explain "why" I can't think of any real reason, if you can hear past muffle and reverb it's not all that bad.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Again TA you missed the fucking point of my post. Go back and read it. I said Starfox has a good soundtrack but the samples are low, muffled, and full of reverb. They most certainly do not sound any better than instruments on the Genesis.

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Oh if we're going to start playing this game let's take away the sales in the US w00t! The point of bringing up the sales was to show that the snes wasn't so poorly designed that it flopped in any way. If we include overall software sales from nintendo games on the snes vs sega games on the genesis that should also be factored in instead of being like "sonic 2 sold more copies than mario kart because it has blast processing therefore sega IS bettarrrrrr". I wasn't trying to come up with the most american friendly sales total I was trying to say that the snes may have some poor design aspects but overall certainly isn't bad. The snes thrived, for whatever reason, so overall the design worked, as did the genesis. Norrowing your scope to only something like US consoles sales isn't how you get an overall picture, it's how you demonstrate selective ignorance. We're all guilty of a little ignorance but I'm not going to say something like "the genesis isn't well designed" because I'm focusing on one flaw of the system. Saying something like "the snes isn't very easy to program for" would have made more sense.

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

As for sales the SNES only outsold the Genesis because of Japan. Take Japans sales away for both systems and the Genesis sold more internationally. The Genesis sold more in the US and Europe.

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I do find TAs mockery of people who don't collect actual carts a little...uhh....beside the point(s).

Still this thread rocks!!! I love it!

Seriously though what system sounds overall better and why is up to the individuals personal opinion. We don't have to try to correct each other until our fingers bleed. I can see why you guys prefer genesis sounds and I totally get it. I prefer the sound of the snes but I don't expect everyone else to and I'm not going to argue about it until everyone else agrees with me. I don't mind discussing our different opinions as long as we allow people to have their own opinions, no matter how stupid an opinion may seem to you. I love the points people are bringing up but if we could do that in a more civil way that would be awesome.

These listed snes games sounding "better than most MD games" depends on two things: 1: if your genesis had one of the better audio circuit revisions, 2: Individual opinion. Again we don't need to argue until everyone agrees.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

I've answered the question . The game sounds brilliant and better than a lot of Mega Drive games even in Mono . I do laugh at this board and emu state . Yes its fine to like emu's when it comes to 32 X games, Mega Drive game, hell even Sharp X6800 games, but not Snes games , WHY ? Is because truth be told games like Super Castlevania IV, Star Fox, F-Zero and Metroid sounded better than most MD games.

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*edit* Stef's from france but has pretty excellent english.

Drakon, your top-posting is giving me a headache.... can you please switch to regular style and bottom-post? :daze:

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by evildragon

Yay for double posts! Several minutes later!

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I blame my Iphone! Thought it wasn't sent.

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

The Genesis had the ability to use slower roms as well - as long as you didn't DMA from the rom directly, and you halted the Z80 while reading controllers, you could use roms half the speed of normal for a cheaper cart.

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I'm sure the Genesis also benefited from having a 16 bit data bus, making 500ns access times comparable to 250ns on an 8 bit bus for 16 bit (even aligned) data. And the fact that the 68k can only fetch data at a minimum of 4 cycles, while the 65186 can fetch data in 1 cycle, making the 68k access the ROM at the same speed as a 65186 with SlowROM, though with more data per fetch when reading 16 bit data.

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Originally Posted by Drakon

*edit* Stef's from france but has pretty excellent english.

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Pretty excellent english ?? i guess you're ironic :D
I've to admit than french people really deserves their reputation of crappy english speaker... as i am :-/
And i write it a lot better than i can speak it (so you can imagine my speaking skill)... that actually cause me some troubles at my job where almost people speak english fluently X'D

Chilly> LOL, just realized it ! now its replies make sense X'D

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Originally Posted by sasuke

I'm sure the Genesis also benefited from having a 16 bit data bus, making 500ns access times comparable to 250ns on an 8 bit bus for 16 bit (even aligned) data. And the fact that the 68k can only fetch data at a minimum of 4 cycles, while the 65186 can fetch data in 1 cycle, making the 68k access the ROM at the same speed as a 65186 with SlowROM, though with more data per fetch when reading 16 bit data.

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The 16-bit bus helps a lot, yes. It's one of the main reasons the SNES is slower - it can only move half the data at a time.

The cycle time for DMA is much faster - just one of the reasons to use DMA when you can. Of course, that faster cycle time means that the rom needs to be faster to DMA straight from rom, but most Genesis games use the faster roms. All flash carts are fast enough to deal with fast cycles, be it the DMA or the 32X.

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*truth be told games like Super Castlevania IV, Star Fox, F-Zero and Metroid sounded better than most MD games.

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Truth be told, the best sounding MD games also sound better than most MD games.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Truth be told, the best sounding MD games also sound better than most MD games.

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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Black_Tiger again."

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Black_Tiger again."

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Don't worry, I repped him for you.

I loved his post too, but I couldn't get the rep to work on my phone earlier when I saw it.

And just because TA hates them, here's a homebrew mega drive tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ7ULWDeRVM

Holy. Shit.

Or maybe:


Or maybe:

Those original Genesis tracks sound great. I was listening to a few of their videos a few weeks ago and I was really impressed.

You have some really good ones too.

Ha, well thanks. I personally think most of my stuff is really lacking though.

Anyway, not to get so off topic, I'm pretty sure TA will just diss those in some way. Gotta speak simply so he can understand properly.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

Don't come the attitude with me. I know full well how good Star Fox sounds for real and it sounds a lot better than most MD games muffled sound or not. It's funny to get lectures from you about and the MD defence force about linking music that's emu, when you and others here are linking MD links to games that never had a Music test mode for starters , or games like Alien Solider (where is most cases it's running on emu).

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We are not talking about History here TA, we are talking about system capabilities. Which for that all that matters is if it's running on real hardware. Flash carts or original carts make no difference in that sense.

And you still didn't answer my question. I wouldn't give you attitude if you would stop dodging the question. Now, answer it for me.

CAN YOU OR CAN YOU NOT HEAR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS EMULATED RECORDING AND THE CLIP FROM SHEATH?:



Sheaths Recording

I am NOT asking the following:

How good is the composition?
Does Starfox have good music?
Does Starfox have good or bad instruments?
What gear do you own?
When was the last time you got laid?
How much cheese do you buy each week to go with your wine?

All I want is the answer to that first question in large bold letters. If you can't answer it, don't reply.

As for sales the SNES may have sold well in Europe, but the Genesis still outsold it. And that's what matters here. The SNES only won the world wide sales because of Japan.

As for Guitars, the ones in Starfox are ok, but I've still heard better in Genesis games like the Thunder Force series.

As someone who has gown up around music being I grew up in Boston (blues, rock--what we call classic rock now, early heavy metal), I will say this.

FM synthesis can emulate the characteristics of a guitar string very well. Now, add that to the fact that your standard guitar has 6 strings. The YM2612 has 6 FM channels. Each string can only play one note at a time, same with the YM2612's FM channels---monophonic.

The YM2612, can without a doubt, play guitar sounds extremely well. It can also play bass, and my favorite, slap bass too!

The SPC700 can not do this very well, and can only use short samples. Guitar sounds decay, the SNES can't emulate this, and as such, is why they tend to sound "buzzy" a lot, the YM2612 can be programmed to do this, without taking up much more space.

TA whatever you do don't answer the question I want to see trekkies go ballistic over this small little question.

...you can however answer when the last time you got laid is.

Seriously why's trekkies so obsessed with what country sold more of which console? The whole point of bringing up the sales was that the snes was labelled as "poorly designed" and I was just pointing out the design couldn't have been so terrible since it sold so well. I didn't mean to start a battle over which system officially sold better in which country, this's a weird obsession with small technicalities that mean basically nothing in the big picture.

....although this is an interesting new thing to argue endlessly about.

As for the guitars thing, any youtube audio to demonstrate?

Chilly willy: Sorry, I like to be different, hope you can get accustomed to my quoting system of endless confusion.

There's no demonstration from me about YM2612 guitars. It has the capability though, and I'd like to see someone pull it off. Only thing I can do is use my Yamaha DX7 to pull it off, but that's not quite a 2612. A little more powerful so not a fair comparison.

But on the discussion of design. Look at the Atari 2600, it was poorly designed, but it sold VERY well..

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Originally Posted by Drakon

TA whatever you do don't answer the question I want to see trekkies go ballistic over this small little question.

...you can however answer when the last time you got laid is.

Seriously why's trekkies so obsessed with what country sold more of which console? The whole point of bringing up the sales was that the snes was labelled as "poorly designed" and I was just pointing out the design couldn't have been so terrible since it sold so well. I didn't mean to start a battle over which system officially sold better in which country, this's a weird obsession with small technicalities that mean basically nothing in the big picture.

....although this is an interesting new thing to argue endlessly about.

As for the guitars thing, any youtube audio to demonstrate?

Chilly willy: Sorry, I like to be different, hope you can get accustomed to my quoting system of endless confusion.

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Bad designs sell well all the time. Look at the PS2 or the 360. What I was bringing up was that the sales really weren't that much higher in the regions those of us who post here are actually from.

And don't put ideas in TAs head. He's been avoiding that question for a very long time now. I'm not going ballistic over it, I'm just sick of him going on about emulation vs real hardware when it appears he has no idea what he's talking about or what the differences are.

Here is short example of a Guitar on the Genesis.

http://www.mediafire.com/?josd7jnp1lbh84o