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And I find it ridiculously difficult to play 2D Fighters on that kind of a D-Pad. My thumb doesn't slide or move as easily and I notice I tend to get stuck in the gaps. It doesn't work as smoothly as the Model 2 Saturn Pad or the 6 Button Genesis Pad. The only thing worse than the NES/SNES D-Pad for 2D Fighters is the Playstation D-Pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakon
Well fighting games I always prefer my balltop arcade stick. But I CAN use a d-pad if I need to.
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
The SNES's main advantages over the Genesis were company management, subsidiary cooperation, and marketing.
Can't really agree on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlecRob
GENESIS DOES.
Yeah, I thought the Genesis was the best example of Sega being underhanded and mean, you know doing it right, when it came to marketing. Also, what subsidiary corporation?
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
This REAL MAN is speaking TRUTH.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
You sir, have a problem with your tastes. Your thumbs should be cut and burned with thermite. I feel the world as a sad place because of people like you :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakon
As much as I hated the aggressive genesis marketing back in the day, in retrospect I absolutely love it! I wouldn't want to go back and change anything about how sega was marketing themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncWyA4s3r7I
I do wish sega had pushed the saturn this hard....and the 32x (I do remember hearing about the 32x so I guess they marketed that harder than the saturn). I honestly didn't know the saturn existed until 10-15 years after it came out.
I guess I always liked the idea that if a controller only really has 4 directions, then it should only be pressable in four directions. Unless it's an arcade stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
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Originally Posted by dr apocalipsis
So you never move diagonally in console games? Do you only play as far as you can and then give up?Quote:
I guess I always liked the idea that if a controller only really has 4 directions, then it should only be pressable in four directions. Unless it's an arcade stick.
You said that you roll and flop your thumb around for two button gameplay. If a controller has 2 buttons and 2 button combination gameplay, shouldn't you play using two fingers?
The swag 6 button is the best controller ever made.
....I press two directions at the same time. Sorry I'm able to do this but some people aren't. Do you use a d-pad with more than one digit?
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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
My original Gameboy doesn't like doing diagonals. You have to press hard to get it to go, whereas my SNES is as easy as a feather.
It's been so long since I've played an original gameboy I can't even remember. I don't remember there being any trouble with diagonals on one when I was a kid though.
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Originally Posted by evildragon
Worn contact pad maybe? I frequently use my old Gameboy and don't have problems with diagonals.
By the way, the D-pad in the Genesis 6-button controller (the one made by Sega proper) and the one in the Saturn model 2 pad as well as the Saturn 3D Pad are EXACTLY the same. In fact I think this same d-pad might even be in the Genesis 3-button pad but I'm not certain. It definitely came from the same mold.
Do you mean the pads under the d-pad that you physically touch or something? My MD 6-button pad and Saturn pad have similar looking but physically different d-pads. They also feel different to the touch and move different physically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Redifer
They're the same mold. One might have used a slightly different plastic or something. I just looked at mine again and they look and feel identical. Make sure you don't have one of those shitty pads from Majesco or something.
I took apart a lot of my MD controllers and there is a lot of variety, basic idea is same but sometimes some nuances differ.
Having said that, -my- MD 6buttoners, JP/2nd Saturn and 3D pad have identical d-pads.
Can't stand the dpad on the 6 button, I love the dpad on the 3 button. Its just personal preference, I have never had any problems with the 3 buttons d pad in any game (yes fighting games included). If I could I would exchange out the 6 buttons d pad for the 3 buttons dpad in a heartbeat.
I don't know if this is how you do it but the way I use a D-pad is i stick my thumb right in the center and i swivel the thing around, actually, almost like using an analog thumbstick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakon
It generally works very well on both round and cruciform D-pads. I have no problem doing diagonals on a Nes or Snes pas using this technique. But I still prefer the Sega rounded D-pad. They kind of swivel better.
Especially the Saturn D-pad. The Saturn D-pad represents the utmost excellence in D-pad ergonomics.
On the complete opposite there is the Playstation style d-pad, that i totally hate. When I want to play a playstation game that requires a good D-pad I will usually either use my arcade stick or a third party controller that I have that has a round D-pad.
Comparing a Japanese 6 button MD pad and a Saturn pad mixed with North American and Japanese parts (not positive which region the d-pad is from), everything is a little different and the d-pad cross is a noticeably different shape. The Saturn d-pad is definitely an evolution of the 6 button MD d-pad, but not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Redifer
The Japanse 6-button MD pad has a better d-pad compared to the US version, it's not the same. Also, both US and EU models of the 6-button pad (I'm not talking about the Majesto bastard) have units made in Japan and others made in Taiwan (or China, I don't remember which one), the later using cheaper internal parts.
Just saying...
Not sure what variants you guys have but mine are the same:
http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/dpad.jpg
TOP: US Genesis 6-button (the PROPER one)
BOTTOM: US Saturn model 2 pad
Note that the pads are facing slightly different angles due to the way the controllers are laying. They are not laying perfectly flat on the table.
Notice that the cross on the Saturn's D-pad is more rounded where the diagonals are, though.
I used to think they were the same too, but they definitely have very slight differences.
Functionally the same. I notice a slight different curve at the 90 degree angle at the cross arms. But that could just be the lighting playing tricks. If it is different its not different enough to say they are not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assman
I agree the playstation d-pad is terrible. I didn't bring it up since this's the snes vs genesis hardware thread.
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Originally Posted by MaxWar
You know...
I'd never seen a detailed picture of the Saturn model 2 controllers before (I have a model 1 US Saturn). Those controllers look super sexy. I personally feel that the Genesis 6 button controller is one of the greatest pads every created, and that the only only way to improve that design would have been to add decent shoulder buttons. The Saturn model 1 buttons, while functional, feel a bit flimsy (they're not too terrible flimsy...my Saturn is 17 years old, and the controllers still work perfectly fine) and clunky. That Saturn model 2 controller looks to be more compact. Are the shoulders sturdier?
Nope. They jam quite a lot.
What? If it's different, it's not the same. If it's the same, it's not different. That seems pretty clear-cut to me. They're incredibly similar, but not identical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean697
And yeah, that curve is there; that's what I was talking about in my post. I definitely don't wanna argue about something this silly, I just want to back up Barone's claim that they aren't the same since I recently noticed that myself.
You know an old quarter and a state quarter are different but function exactly the same. The difference is so small it couldn't possibly make a difference I what it is used for, playing games. In that aspect it's identical in function. You can't tell me that a possible slightly different curve where it's located affects its functionality. I would imagine that by feel you couldn't tell the difference. (I'm going to test that theory momentarily when I pull out my Saturn pad)
I swear the 6-button controller I used as a kid had the curved edges like that model 2 saturn controller.
Here is my original 6 button Megadrive Controller and my USB replica Saturn controller, made by "SLS". Bought a couple when they flooded eBay some years ago.
http://www.abload.de/img/2013-01-1915.36.181lkzd.jpg
The Megadrive Controller have thousands of hours of play, the Saturn one barely some tens. Megadrive one is sturdy as hell, Saturn's face buttons are loose and make noise when you shake the pad, and aren't as comfortables as Megadrive buttons. And shoulder buttons are crap. Mode button at Megadrive pad is much better. Could be a pity it only have one if not because 2D games dont need more. I also like more the Megadrive rounded shape, Saturn pad is too bulky.
Both DPads performs like heaven, though.
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Originally Posted by AlecRob
That only worked on the NES. The SNES did more than Genesis didn't! I always felt the Genesis sound was too tinny. Beyond that SEGA had plenty of marketing for the Genesis, and Game Gear. Probably more than Nintendo. They had PLENTY of 3rd party support. They just went the wrong way when the system got older. I had no issue with the SEGA CD, except that the games weren't enough of an improvement over regular Genesis. Then came the 32X, which was almost pointless. SNES was done right by going to expansion cart chips like SA-1, DSP-1, and Super FX. Only added maybe $10 a game to customers, if even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Uh oh...Incoming!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg2600
The genesis does not sound tinny at all. the SNES sounds too muffled. Buying the same chip over and over again is a waste why not just buy a more powerful chip once the 32x had the right idea it was just poorly executed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg2600
Awe shit, not again.
:pop::D
The 32X did have the right idea, Chilly proved it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctDCOrE67Ss
One purchase, infinite possibilities.
Too....tinny......wtf? If anything I'd say the genesis has the best audio range out of any pre-cd quality console. The turbografx without cd attachment.....now that's too tinny. And if sega had the "third party support" then their third parties weren't nearly as good as the ones working on the snes. The 32x wasn't pointless, it just should have been a stand alone system without stupid internal ribbon cables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg2600
I do agree with you that milking the customers slowly by adding the upgrades inside the carts turned out to be the smarter route. Customers don't want to have to hook up 10 things together they just want to wire up one unit, slap a single cart into it and go. Any time to make a setup more complicated it's way harder to sell. If everyone didn't mind hooking 10 things together then the addon route is better, but simple sells.
Yes the snes sounds too muffled, but otherwise the snes has amazing audio on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by sega16
Oh come on people are entitled to their opinions no matter how silly they may seem. Look at this as an opportunity to nicely make them see the faults.Quote:
Originally Posted by evildragon
It's just a repeating record....record....record....record....record.... record....record....record....record....record.... record....record....record....record....record.... record....record....record....record....record.... record....record....record....record....record.... record....record....record....record....record.... record....record....record....
It is sad to know that some people are too stupid(not referring to drakon he is just telling about other people hopefully) to even set up one attachment that takes less than 5 minutes ONCE (until the console needs to be unplugged) Then it works just fine it is not like you have to set up the 32x or sega cd every-time you play a game.I think Nintendo should have made a lockon cart like sonic 3 that has the enhancement IC in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakon