Worst Star Wars Prequel?

I'm going to go with 2 personally, I thought it was pretty unbearable, 3 was kinda' half acceptable, whilst 1 was just bad, but not mind-numbingly bad.

Reasons?

Well, Anakin was at his most annoying in II, he spent the whole movie whining like a teenage brat "its not fair!" "i hate you!" "its not fair!" blah, in 1 he was a stupid little kid doing ridiculous things, but he wasn't an out and out prat, and I guess he at least appealed to small children or something.

Most of II is essentially Anakin and Obi Wan bickering like an old couple.

II also has one of the worst romance sub plots in history, its just horribly awkward, there is zero chemistry between the two characters, it cliched as hell (hey, lets have them rolling around in a field, sitting in front of a huge waterfall, in a stupid boat in a venice style area, standing in front of a roaring fire :yuck:), and their dialogue is totally unbelievable, I mean jesus, Anakin talks about how he agrees with a fascist totalitarian regime (how romantic!), admits that he's murdered sand-people children (how romantic!) they have meaningful conversations about sand (how romantic!) etc.

I sorta like The Phantom Menace. I definately don't hate it. Clones sucks though. The only good thing about Clones was the Obi Wan-Jango Fett fight. Also Darth Maul > Count Dooku is another reason why Phantom Menace > Clones. I also really liked Liam Nesson as Qui Gon and he was sorely missed in Clones. Sith is clearly better than both of them.

Attack of the Clones definitely. I can watch Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith at least, but the second one is just full of tomfoolery that isn't even fun to watch. So many missed opportunities.

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Originally Posted by DarkDragon

I sorta like The Phantom Menace.

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I don't totally despise Phantom Menace, but it still has its fair share of bad stuff (most frequent appearances of Jar Jar Binks for instance)

There's also this, which I guess would be attributed to PM -

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I didnt like the part in Sith when Anakin couldnt save his mom when he easily could have gotten her off the planet a long time ago if he wanted to. Jar Jar and Young Anakin did suck but you had the awesomeness of Qui Gon and Darth Maul to help balance it out a bit I think. The pod race scene was still pretty exciting and entertaining and Clones didnt have anything like that. The rescue at the beginning does not compare.

2 for me easily, with 3 being next worst.I actually like Phantom Menace, the first 3 are all flawed in some way though.

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Originally Posted by DarkDragon

I didnt like the part in Sith when Anakin couldnt save his mom when he easily could have gotten her off the planet a long time ago if he wanted to.

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That was "Clones" too I believe.

and yeah, poorly thought out plot, the three films have loads of that stuff all the way through them, with people doing stuff/not doing stuff for no reason, or illogical reasons.

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Originally Posted by DarkDragon

Jar Jar and Young Anakin did suck but you had the awesomeness of Qui Gon and Darth Maul to help balance it out a bit I think. The pod race scene was still pretty exciting and entertaining and Clones didnt have anything like that. The rescue at the beginning does not compare.

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I didn't have a problem with Qui Gon, but I feel from a storytelling point of view he probably shouldn't have been in the movie, as his character is too similar to that of original Obi-Wan. Essentially you get two separate characters needlessly fulfilling the same narrow role (that of the wise hermit warrior), with neither character oozing with personality.

It would've been better to merge those characters (maybe just make Liam Neeson Obi-Wan), and create a new, non-jedi character as a secondary hero (who has normal hopes/dreams/aspirations) that people can identify with who gets killed at the end.

Jedi's simply aren't that interesting as characters, they have no real loves, dreams, hopes, or hobbies, and they're not supposed to show emotion either, its difficult to relate to characters like that, they can't really be expected to carry a movie on their own IMO.

I have to go with The Phantom Menace on this one because of all the screen time Jar Jar gets. Lucas might as well used Howard The Duck, lol.

I'm gonna go for all three of them, sure the original trilogy might have been for the entire family as well,
But CGI cute stuff just made it so much more worse to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

I didn't have a problem with Qui Gon, but I feel from a storytelling point of view he probably shouldn't have been in the movie, as his character is too similar to that of original Obi-Wan. Essentially you get two separate characters needlessly fulfilling the same narrow role (that of the wise hermit warrior), with neither character oozing with personality.

It would've been better to merge those characters (maybe just make Liam Neeson Obi-Wan), and create a new, non-jedi character as a secondary hero (who has normal hopes/dreams/aspirations) that people can identify with who gets killed at the end.

Jedi's simply aren't that interesting as characters, they have no real loves, dreams, hopes, or hobbies, and they're not supposed to show emotion either, its difficult to relate to characters like that, they can't really be expected to carry a movie on their own IMO.

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Well Obi Wan was trained my Qui Gon, so of course they're going have similar vibes.The Jedi are supposed to be like that, they are more or less paladins.Don't you have any virtues you hold on to in spite of the world's view?Luke changed some rules though with the New Jedi Order, he understands that there are basic human needs, but they still carry a lot of weight.

Oxymoron for me. All three were awesome.

I particularly loved the merchandising campaign (AKA the "Defeat the Darkside Campaign) of The Phantom Menace. None of the other Star Wars (even the originals) had such a huge merchadising campaign as that one did. The introduction of Naboo made for my favorite planet in the Star Wars Universe. I dressed-up as Darth Maul for it back in 99:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachm...0&d=1269741977

I loved the Yoda/Count-Dooku fight in Attack of the Clones. I may even have cried with ecstasy when I first saw that. It was the most satisfying fight of all the episodes combined for me; the second being R2D2 flying and subsequently winning a fight. I mean, before that point, you could only ask yourself how the heck will Lucas pull-off a fight between a garbage can and a state of the art droid. I mean, come on! But it was fucking awesome, that's what's up.

Revenge of the Sith was excellently plotted. It was very sad and profound. We already knew about the volcano fight from the literature, but it was very satisfying seeing Obi Wan kicking this self-serving, over-confident brat's ass. It was totally justified.

I didn't like how the ending to Revenge of the Sith was handled. Honestly I think the whole epilogue with the fate (and names) of the twin babies shouldn't have been spelled out for the viewer. It felt a bit too cut and dried, I guess.

All were gash. Close this thread.

I have only briefly glanced at Phantom Menace and then promptly decided not to watch any of the other installments.
I don't believe I'm missing anything either.

I recently purchased the Star Wars blu ray set and gave the prequels another go, episode 1 is bad, 2 is really bad and 3 was average.

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Originally Posted by kokujin

Well Obi Wan was trained my Qui Gon, so of course they're going have similar vibes.The Jedi are supposed to be like that, they are more or less paladins.Don't you have any virtues you hold on to in spite of the worlds view?Luke changed some rules though with the New Jedi Order, he understands that there are basic human needs, but they still carry a lot of weight.

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I also don't find "oozing personality" all that interesting in books or movies. Virtues played out through action makes the story far better than meaningless dialog or "character" for the sake of character. Unfortunately for me, the new first three Star Wars films are devoid of this except perhaps at the tail end of the Obi-Wan/Vader fight at the end of Sith. The rest of it is meaningless dialog, bad/fake/contrived romance, horrible action and special effects that will one day be as dated as the original films but not age as well.

The biggest flop of the entire series is the utter failure to understand the nature of evil and portray it through Anakin/Vader's actions. As it stands, he just flips "good" and "evil" on and off like a switch which is disgusting and horribly wrong to me.

While all three have some pretty terrible failings, there's just nothing all that memorable about Attack of the Clones which makes it the worst of the lot. How could they manage to have Christopher Lee as a sith, yet totally waste it by giving him a minor and confusing part. The same could be said of the mighty General Zod in Phantom of the Menace, why the hell was he cast as some dull politician and given seconds of screen time? imagine what an awesome bad guy or off the rails Jedi he could have been! But no they gave precious screen time to irritating characters instead.

All three prequels are a massive waste of opportunity, with crap effects, crap stories, crap dialogue, but a few good moments like Darth Maul which made it seem good for a little while and somehow managing to get some quality actors involved.

While the third may be the best, its still lame and frustrating to watch. Obviously evil senator - "I can help you save Padmes life, don't take her to the doctors or anything, just trust my uneducated prognosis" 5 seconds later after killing the wasted talents of Samuel L Jackson "oh,errrr I don't actually know how, I'm sure we can figure out immortality though, it can't be that hard!" and Anakin just goes with it, and then strangles Padme anyway, its total rubbish!

They're all terrible, but became progressively worse as George Lucas went along. PM looks and feels somewhat like an actual film production. AOTC and ROTS were put together like budget scifi TV shows and the terrible writing and acting only got worse and worse.

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Originally Posted by sheath

I also don't find "oozing personality" all that interesting in books or movies. Virtues played out through action makes the story far better than meaningless dialog or "character" for the sake of character.

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I don't see much of anything in a Jedi though to be honest, they don't seem to be particularly virtuous, "disinterested" would be a much more apt description based on the prequels, they do what's right simply because they're supposed to, not because they actually want to, in fact being that they're constantly told not to feel anything for anybody this is pretty much a pre-requisite to being a "jedi".

Its not like I'm saying they should all be running around like Han Solo or anything, essentially my problem is that they aren't really even characters. Period. They're death dealing robots that follow a program and only stop every now and then to bicker.

So as far as I'm concerned Jedi are cool, but can't carry an entire movie on they're own.

I'm going to revise what I said about removing Qui Gon, I think Phantom Menace would've worked better if the ending was moved to the beginning, it starts with more early scenes added to the movie with dialogue between Qui Gon and Obi-Wan, they then get to the trade guys, Darth Maul attacks, Qui Gon is killed, Obi Wan is injured and escapes to the planet, the new ending has him get revenge in a 2nd fight due to more focus and less wrath.

This works better IMO because now the villain is actually set-up early on (what a quaint thought that is!) which they actually pretty much forgot to do for the entire movie, it makes room for a normal hero character to help Obi-Wan (and actually have interesting dialogue), and it makes the ending more powerful.

Outside of that Darth Maul should've been in the movie a helluva lot more, he's the villain of the film and he ends up being virtually a side-thought. Jar Jar Binks could've also done with being written out entirely, as well as all talk of Midi-Chlorians.

Realistically though the whole plot probably needed a total re-write.

Ughhhhh...

Why not just ask us to choose between Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini?

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I don't see much of anything in a Jedi though to be honest, they don't seem to be particularly virtuous, "disinterested" would be a much more apt description based on the prequels, they do what's right simply because they're supposed to, not because they actually want to, in fact being that they're constantly told not to feel anything for anybody this is pretty much a pre-requisite to being a "jedi".

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Cool enough points. When the idea was introduced to me it was Luke Skywalker basically giving up his life to save his mass-murderer Father. The new movies make them a bunch of robots who will basically will away any attachments like a good Buddhist. There is still much to be admired in that kind of mental/spiritual discipline, but it isn't what I would call virtue.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

Its not like I'm saying they should all be running around like Han Solo or anything, essentially my problem is that they aren't really even characters. Period. They're death dealing robots that follow a program and only stop every now and then to bicker.

So as far as I'm concerned Jedi are cool, but can't carry an entire movie on they're own.

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Completely agreed, for new first three movies.

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Originally Posted by Thenewguy

I'm going to revise what I said about removing Qui Gon, I think Phantom Menace would've worked better if the ending was moved to the beginning, it starts with more early scenes added to the movie with dialogue between Qui Gon and Obi-Wan, they then get to the trade guys, Darth Maul attacks, Qui Gon is killed, Obi Wan is injured and escapes to the planet, the new ending has him get revenge in a 2nd fight due to more focus and less wrath.

This works better IMO because now the villain is actually set-up early on (what a quaint thought that is!) which they actually pretty much forgot to do for the entire movie, it makes room for a normal hero character to help Obi-Wan (and actually have interesting dialogue), and it makes the ending more powerful.

Outside of that Darth Maul should've been in the movie a helluva lot more, he's the villain of the film and he ends up being virtually a side-thought. Jar Jar Binks could've also done with being written out entirely, as well as all talk of Midi-Chlorians.

Realistically though the whole plot probably needed a total re-write.

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Maul is every bit the robot of the "new" Old Republic Jedi. He's a fancy gymnast not a really good villain Jar Jar and the Midi-Chlorians, not to mention the "immaculate conception" of Anakin were completely stupid moves.

All of this makes me wanna check out the fan edits of these movies...

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...isode-1-Review

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...-Clones-Review

They got the "Yah" sign wrong, but oh well. ;)

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I have to go with Attack of the Clones. I just can't stand Hayden Christensen, his whining was terrible to watch. And putting that together with a love story with Natalie Portman, who wasn't exactly great either, is like mixing atomic bombs with biological and chemical warfare all in one. The third one suffered from much of the same problems, but it had better story and better action scenes.

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Originally Posted by sheath

Maul is every bit the robot of the "new" Old Republic Jedi. He's a fancy gymnast not a really good villain.

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Well, I'd say he's at least visually striking, makes for good fight scenes, and has a good sneer on him. Personally I'd put him into the underutilised box, I think they could've done something with the character, unlike Jar Jar who was always going to be a walking failure on all levels.

They never came out with a Star Wars prequel this thread is a lie.

But yeah, Attack of the Clones was the low point in a trilogy that was already so low it was below sea level.

I liked the first movie, a lot. Almost as good as the originals. It was the second movie that was so incredibly boring for me. There's good action towards the end, but it takes too long to get there. Third movie was quite enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by cheaterdragon1

I liked the first movie, a lot.

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I didn't mind the first movie either... The pod race was cool, Qui-Gon Jinn was an an awesome character and Darth Maul was better than any sith in the following two sequels.

Liking Star Wars prequels reveals a severe intellectual deficency.

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Originally Posted by cheaterdragon1

I liked the first movie, a lot. Almost as good as the originals. It was the second movie that was so incredibly boring for me. There's good action towards the end, but it takes too long to get there. Third movie was quite enjoyable.

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I didn't mind the first movie either... The pod race was cool, Qui-Gon Jinn was an an awesome character and Darth Maul was better than any sith in the following two sequels.

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Attack of the Clones pretty much just brings the entire rest of the trilogy down a complete notch. Sure there are plot holes in Phantom Menace and weird inconsistencies with the Original Trilogy in Revenge of the Sith (Leia Remembers Her Mother?) but man Attack of the Clones was really just a piece of shit plotwise. There was too much politics throughout the PT.

As someone who LOVES the Original Trilogy, I just say fuck the Prequels and read the Bantam-Era Star Wars novels.

I like the Star Wars prequels, not only that but I find them to be good movies aswell. I thought the hating/bashing had died out, but I guess not. My favourite is The Phantom Menace, while the one I like the least is Revenge of the Sith. I never liked that balcony scene.

P.S: Honestly, I think people should wish they had movies with such quality and scope within the fantasy genre nowadays, instead of criticizing just because they hadn't their whishlist fulfilled...

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Originally Posted by Baloo

As someone who LOVES the Original Trilogy, I just say fuck the Prequels and read the Bantam-Era Star Wars novels.

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I'm in the same boat. And George can keep his "original vision" of the OT to himself.

The guys who seem to like the prequels are young. Those of us grew up with the originals felt that the prequels were abominations, but guys who are teens/early 20s now were just little kids when Phantom was released. I'll bet if we were all just little kids when it came out we would've been smitten by the antics of Jar Jar as well. It's a generational thing.

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The guys who seem to like the prequels are young. Those of us grew up with the originals felt that the prequels were abominations, but guys who are teens/early 20s now were just little kids when Phantom was released. I'll bet if we were all just little kids when it came out we would've been smitten by the antics of Jar Jar as well. It's a generational thing.

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I'm sorry, but that's not true. While I was born after '83, I grew up watching the original trilogy (not the '97 special editions) on home video. I did went to see the special editions and the prequels in theaters, though.

And reducing the prequel trilogy to Jar Jar antics is fallacious. That's like saying the original trilogy is about C-3PO rambling (not even that, since 3PO has a much major role than Jar Jar). The prequels, whether people like them or not, are more mature and complex movies than the original trilogy. Sure, mature and complex doesn't make one movie better, but that's not my point either. It's not about being kids or not. I will say though, that if I'm such a fan of Star Wars today is because of the prequels. They brought back my interest in Star Wars.

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I'm in the same boat. And George can keep his "original vision" of the OT to himself.

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Definitely agreed. I hate how some cool things were retconned, like Boba Fett's original backstory. I thought making him a clone was the dumbest thing about the sequels.

There are no Star Wars prequel movies! There are movies called Episode 1, Episode 2 or Episode 3, yeah... but as far as I'm concerned, those form the "Episode" trilogy, because I steadfastly refuse to call them Star Wars!

There's only one Star wars trilogy, therefore there's only three Star Wars movies! Easy as that...

(denial? What's that?)

One thing I noticed while watching the trailer for the 30th Anniversary Edition of E.T. was that they were sure to show off the scene where the agents are holding rifles. Not walkie-talkies.

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For myself, I tried this once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things]…it was OK for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T.
-Steven Spielberg

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Take note George.