I've tried and tried, but I don't like any Thunder Force games

I kinda like the art in Thunder Force 4.
But I don't like how any of them play. memorizing which guys to kill or let go, when to dodge X bullet, when to switch weapons, change speeds, zoom forward/back...
I watched the demos for TF3. Like 50-60% of the enemies were dodged. I should have watched that first. Totally not my style. I wouldn't have bothered playing too long.
I'm not that impressed with the art in 2 or 3, either. I prefer more depth to art in general. Things are just kinda flat and R-Type-ish.

HOWEVER.
I applaud anyone who can finish even a level in these games.
I was impressed with myself the first time I lased about a minute before game over.
I cannot twitch that fast...

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Originally Posted by TheGZeus

Memorizing which guys to kill or let go, when to dodge X bullet, when to switch weapons, change speeds, zoom forward/back...

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Isn't that the basic recipe for just about any shmup?

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Originally Posted by TheGZeus

I applaud anyone who can finish even a level in these games

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Thank you!

It just takes training. I suck at shmups, so if I can beat a few levels of the game, so can you ;)

Thunder Force 4 is a fantastic game :D

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Originally Posted by TheGZeus

I applaud anyone who can finish even a level in these games.

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Thanks. I've beaten both number three and four, and will buy number two soon.

Here's a few tips: Generally, be a little bit left of the middle of the screen. Have 50 or 75% in speed, so you can dodge bullets but not fly into a wall by the slightest tap on the d-pad. Pause if you need to change your weapon in a tight situation. The learning is the funniest thing, when you can get just a liiiittle bit longer than the last time you played it ;).

i have finished nr 4 on hard settings;
i use 100 % speed and 80% of the Game front & back shot...
hunter is a good alternative to win against boss enemys relativ safe

you must get one with the musik.. that it will work ^-^

Basically, Thunder Force games seem to go to eleven, but not lett you kill all the little fuckers flying at you.
I'm sure they're great games, I just don't like them...

It's hard to train at something you don't like...

I mean, before i got my 'sea legs' back I could barely get through a level of Lords of Thunder on easy(beaten it several times on Super now), and I've gotten at least halfway through a few Aleste games(I never continue on those, because I have yet to get over my frustration at losing all my hard-earned weapons, and that makes me suck enough that the pea-shooter is useless) but even when I lost at them, i had FUN.
Those games give me the GOOD adrenaline rush.
Thunder force games don't even give me one. I don't even get mad, really. it's like someone coming up at taking your bottomless cup of coffee from you "What the hell was that? WAITRESS, REFILL?" Except its more "What the hell was that? Guess I'll play something else."

Thing is, I don't ENJOY playing them. It's even frustrating to WATCH for me! "WHAT? Why can't you kill all those guys! Is this a dance?"

It reminds me of R-Type, but fast.

I never liked R-Type...

Sounds like shooters are not for you. Oh well, puzzle games aren't really for me nor are FPS games, RPGs and military shooters. There are always exceptions, and if the game has good music I can always appreciate that aspect of it.

I play shooters for the most part.
I just don't like R-Type, and these play alot like R-Type on cocaine.
4 is the best of them. I think I got through a boss once, come to think of it.
I just didn't have as much fun as with Aleste games, or Raiden, 1941 etc.

Maybe you prefer overhead shooters. I really don't see any similarities between Thunder Force and R-Type other than that they are side-view. R-Type strips you of all your weapons when you die and sets you way back. Thunder Force strips you only of the weapon you are using (unless you are playing TF2) and starts you out right there. Thunder Force allows you to pick your starting stage, have more than one weapon at a time and switch between them, and adjust speed settings without getting a power up... all things that R-Type disallows. R-Type also has a small bit of strategy on how you can use your droid, whereas TF games have no such thing to begin with.

I like side-scrolling shooters as well.
Android Assault is one of my favorite games.

Pointing out little differences in gameplay doesn't change the fact that the overall impression is similar to R-Type to me. It requires you to spend as much time watching the environment as anything, the art, the enemies, etc.
It seems to play more like a 'methodical shooter' that moves fast.

I tend to prefer a more 'manic' sytle or games with a 'run and gun' feel.

I'm not saying they're bad games, just that I don't like them.

I'm confused as to why you seem to care why or what little things.

Again with the hair splitting.
Stop it.

In fact, forget it, you're ignored.

yep i also find TF4 a bit boring compared to shoot-em-ups like:
elemental master
battle mania 2
eliminate down
phelios
arrow flash

i've played all of these to the end except elemental master, but i like them because of their fast pace, interesting backgrounds and cool end bosses.

Word.

Heh, arrow flash. That's one of the most boring shooters I've ever played.
You also do have to dodge enemies (among other things) in both elemental master, eliminate down and battle mania 2.

From what I can remember, TF4 has a pacing that is similar to R-Type with lots of pauses in the action. I don't like that either. The prequels don't, but they require a lot more memorization. I can't believe that anyone would get a game over within a minute in TF4 since my brother, who never plays games at all, recently beat a couple of levels on his first try and he was drunk at the time.

This is why I don't talk to the Swedish.
There seems to a cultural difference in that tact is not highly valued. When I speak english, I have very little, but I do use it.
I prefer to speak Japanese, and 正直一徹 isn't a virtue.
Japanese is a language and a culture saying things without saying them.

This, I'm ignoring you as well, nothing personal, but the culture clash is too much for me.

... What?

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Originally Posted by TheGZeus

This is why I don't talk to the Swedish.
There seems to a cultural difference in that tact is not highly valued. When I speak english, I have very little, but I do use it.
I prefer to speak Japanese, and 正直一徹 isn't a virtue.
Japanese is a language and a culture saying things without saying them.

This, I'm ignoring you as well, nothing personal, but the culture clash is too much for me.

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I see nothing said in Alianger's post to deserve the response that you gave. Don't you think this "tactless Swedes" thing is a bit of a prejudicial generalization? TheGzeus, please use your precious tact and try not to offend us.