Best graphic of the 16 bit era..

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Originally Posted by evilevoix

That's like saying a Ferrari isn't a car, I disagree.

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No. The Neo Geo is a fucking transport truck with a double trailer. That is NOT a car. It is not in the same league as the SNES, Genesis and TG-16. Having that in this thread at all is insane. Why not include any arcade game? The Neo Geo is not a console, it is an arcade. So, let's include all arcade games then since some are clearly allowed. If you guys are allowing Mark of the Wolves, and somehow consider that in the 16-bit era, then I figure something like Soul Calibur is fair game. For 2D, Pro Gear, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Mars Matrix, etc. all look pretty nice. Shadow Over Mystaria as well. Knights of Valour on the PGM looks good.

I'm really just ranting, though.

Can I nominate Final Fantasy III for looking really, really good? I've always thought that was a good looking game compared to most other 16-bit games (not comparing to arcade games!).

I don't think that anyone is trying to argue that the AES is in the same league as the other 16 bit home consoles but it was a 16 home console non the less. The point of this thread is to show the best of the 16 bit generation over a variety of consoles... That is why in the first post I included different consoles. It was never about a comparison of console hardware.

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Originally Posted by TurboRotary

I don't think that anyone is trying to argue that the AES is in the same league as the other 16 bit home consoles but it was a 16 home console non the less. The point of this thread is to show the best of the 16 bit generation over a variety of consoles... That is why in the first post I included different consoles. It was never about a comparison of console hardware.

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Yet, how can something like Mark of the Wolves be considered in the 16-bit generation? That's more what I was getting at.

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Originally Posted by Breetai

Yet, how can something like Mark of the Wolves be considered in the 16-bit generation? That's more what I was getting at.

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It plays on 16 bit hardware?

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Originally Posted by Breetai

No. The Neo Geo is a fucking transport truck with a double trailer. That is NOT a car. It is not in the same league as the SNES, Genesis and TG-16. Having that in this thread at all is insane. Why not include any arcade game? The Neo Geo is not a console, it is an arcade. So, let's include all arcade games then since some are clearly allowed. If you guys are allowing Mark of the Wolves, and somehow consider that in the 16-bit era, then I figure something like Soul Calibur is fair game. For 2D, Pro Gear, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Mars Matrix, etc. all look pretty nice. Shadow Over Mystaria as well. Knights of Valour on the PGM looks good.

I'm really just ranting, though.


Can I nominate Final Fantasy III for looking really, really good? I've always thought that was a good looking game compared to most other 16-bit games (not comparing to arcade games!).

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There are things a snes and mega drive can do that a neo cannot. Snes games got to upwards of $70 and virtual racing was $100 don't forget. I include the neo as a home system as it was just that albeit quite expensive. Most arcade games ran a dedicated board and one whole cab for the game. The AES was multicart with many games. It was powerful but had basically the same setup as a mega drive. Just faster and massive carts. Don't covet that the Mega Drive was based off system16 arcade hardware. The nes was also arcade hardware.

The problem is, including games like Mark of the Wolves, and other high end Neo Geo games, is an extremely slippery slope, as pointed out by Breetai. What he said is perfectly valid. If the AES is included, might as well include the CPS Changer, it let you play Capcom arcade games at home. If you're gonna stretch the definition of 16-bit, might as well stretch the definition of home console too. Include all 16-bit arcade games, include all games from the late 90s / early 2000s.

I have two suggestions to fix this issue. Either not include the AES at all, or only allow Neo Geo games from 1990 to 1995 or 96. That would make the Neo Geo more on-par with the actual 16-bit home consoles like SNES and Genesis. Games from 96 onward were in league with PS1/Saturn and by a very slim margin, PS2/DC.

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Originally Posted by Guntz

The problem is, including games like Mark of the Wolves, and other high end Neo Geo games, is an extremely slippery slope, as pointed out by Breetai. What he said is perfectly valid. If the AES is included, might as well include the CPS Changer, it let you play Capcom arcade games at home. If you're gonna stretch the definition of 16-bit, might as well stretch the definition of home console too. Include all 16-bit arcade games, include all games from the late 90s / early 2000s.

I have two suggestions to fix this issue. Either not include the AES at all, or only allow Neo Geo games from 1990 to 1995 or 96. That would make the Neo Geo more on-par with the actual 16-bit home consoles like SNES and Genesis. Games from 96 onward were in league with PS1/Saturn and by a very slim margin, PS2/DC.

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Again its not so much about a comparison of hardware.. That's what is getting lost here.. I was curious to see what the ACTUAL 16 bit home consoles were capable of. I wanted to see how far the 16 bit home systems could be pushed graphically.. In those simple terms there is no problem including the AES. This should be a show of games and not a debate on hardware.

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Originally Posted by TurboRotary

Again its not so much about a comparison of hardware.. That's what is getting lost here.. I was curious to see what the ACTUAL 16 bit home consoles were capable of. I wanted to see how far the 16 bit home systems could be pushed graphically.. In those simple terms there is no problem including the AES. This should be a show of games and not a debate on hardware.

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A title change to something like "Best graphics for each 16-bit era console" should make everyone happy. Bits don't actually mean anything as far as the class of consoles. The 16-bit generation normally refers to Genesis/TurboGrafx-16/SNES - MD/SFC/PCE.

Neo Geo isn't very interesting for this subject as the main consoles of that era are, as their best looking games are more works of art made through dedicated craftsmanship. Neo Geo games are more of a straightforward equation. Just decide on a cart size and then strain through an appropriate amount of content. Just as faux 16-bit graphics in games for modern devices aren't anywhere near as impressive either, as they aren't working around nearly so many unique restrictions.

I always thought of the neo geo as a private jet personally.

This thread is "best graphics of the 16 bit era". It doesn't say we have to be comparing hardware in the same league. If someone makes a modern game on a machine that came out in the 16 bit era I say we can still count it.

And yes I'd love to include the cps changer!

And arcade games too, best graphics of a generation not best console graphics just says "best graphics".

I understood what this thread is about right from the first post, why do people have to argue over it?

Also the cps2 has some games with awesome anime style graphics. I still remember being completely blown away with the visuals of the first marvel vs capcom.

Any home released console that is within the 16BIT era. That said if you want to boot the AES go with the cd system. But the AES is a well marketed ( considering) and was available at Babages next to sega/Nintendo stuff. Back then Babages sold computer stuff, got a sound blaster and a 56k modem! I used to pull a Neo Geo game off the shelf and ask my dad to buy it for me. It was $250 and told me to "Get the hell out of here!!!".

Always a laugh. That being said it was 100% a home console. I remember dome kid walking in the store one day just buying a game like it was nothing, never been as envious in my life.

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Originally Posted by Drakon

I always thought of the neo geo as a private jet personally.

This thread is "best graphics of the 16 bit era". It doesn't say we have to be comparing hardware in the same league. If someone makes a modern game on a machine that came out in the 16 bit era I say we can still count it.

And yes I'd love to include the cps changer!

And arcade games too, best graphics of a generation not best console graphics just says "best graphics".

I understood what this thread is about right from the first post, why do people have to argue over it?

Also the cps2 has some games with awesome anime style graphics. I still remember being completely blown away with the visuals of the first marvel vs capcom.

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Originally Posted by evilevoix

Any home released console that is within the 16BIT era.

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Shall we give examples from FM Marty towns, Amiga CD32, 3DO and Jaguar games then?

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Originally Posted by evilevoix

There are things a snes and mega drive can do that a neo cannot. Snes games got to upwards of $70 and virtual racing was $100 don't forget. I include the neo as a home system as it was just that albeit quite expensive.

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The Neo Geo AES is not a home console in the regular sense that we generally think of, and it was never meant to be. It's a consolidated arcade board that was semi-mass marketed at a slightly reduced price. It's in a different class than home consoles are.

SNES or Genny games costing a few dollars more than average have nothing to do with it. It's a strawman argument.

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Most arcade games ran a dedicated board and one whole cab for the game. The AES was multicart with many games. It was powerful but had basically the same setup as a mega drive. Just faster and massive carts. Don't covet that the Mega Drive was based off system16 arcade hardware. The nes was also arcade hardware.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you have very little experience with arcade boards. Neo Geo games are not even close to being the only arcade games on a cartridge.

The Amiga, ST and X68000 all use the same CPU as the Genesis and the Neo Geo. Does that mean it also has the same setup? :daze:

Genesis, SNES and Turbografx-16 are 16-bit era home consoles.
Neo Geo, CPS, CPS2, Taito F3, Sega ST-V etc. are all different 16-bit era arcade systems that use cartridges. One of them happened to have a consolized version.

SNES, Genesis, TG-16, Neo Geo.... "one of these things just doesn't belong here, one of these things just isn't the same..." Which one is it?

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Originally Posted by TurboRotary

Again its not so much about a comparison of hardware.. That's what is getting lost here.. I was curious to see what the ACTUAL 16 bit home consoles were capable of. I wanted to see how far the 16 bit home systems could be pushed graphically.. In those simple terms there is no problem including the AES. This should be a show of games and not a debate on hardware.

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You opened that can of worms when you left it so open ended to include things like the Neo Geo. If you include the Neo Geo, then you need to include any arcade game. Games released on 16-bit era hardware like the Neo Geo, CPS2, F3, etc. That includes stuff like Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Daytona, Ridge Racer, etc. I doubt those are the games you had in mind, but you left that open in the initial post.

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Originally Posted by evilevoix

That said if you want to boot the AES go with the cd system.

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WTF?
1. It's still an Neo Geo.
2. That came out in the 32-bit era.

I don't see why not!

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Shall we give examples from FM Marty towns, Amiga CD32, 3DO and Jaguar games then?

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Originally Posted by Drakon

I don't see why not!

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That's exactly the point! Do you really think that is what the OP meant to happen?



I guess debating semantics is more fun that posting photos of cool looking games in the 16-bit era (which are... which sorts of games?).

I asked how can Mark of the Wolves be considered from the 16-bit era. A response:

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Originally Posted by TurboRotary

It plays on 16 bit hardware?

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My response: it came out in 1999 on the Dreamcast and Neo Geo. It's not a 16-bit era game. It's a 6th generation game.

Is the Neo-Geo really a 16-bit system? It was marketed as a 24-bit system by SNK, with a 68000 @ 12Mhz and a Z80A co-processor.

http://www.neo-geo.com/