Can Sega-16 Beat Every Genesis Game in 2013? - The Official Thread!

Meanwhile, Super Hydlide is no more:

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This is a very good game that could've been great with one simple addition: an item storage locker. There are too many crucial items that weigh you down, and at least if you play as the Priest, you quickly discover that you really can't afford to carry much in the way of extras at all. This isn't a problem for most of the game, but towards the end there's a lot of stuff to keep track of, and no clarity as to what's absolutely necessary and what's no longer needed.

That's what sank my run at Super Hydlide last year, but this year I could draw on my past experience, and I was able to make it through most of the game with little need for item-juggling. It still struck towards the end, however, and -- on top of the game's weight system, night/day system, hunger system, etc. -- it comes close to being the straw that breaks the camel's back. But not quite, though the ending was a little bit of a letdown; by the time you get to the last area, it becomes an exercise in bypassing enemies via the Invincibility spell.

I think I'll take on Warrior of Rome II now. I've never played it before, so if for some reason I find it intolerable (though I can't imagine it's worse than the first Warrior of Rome), I'll sidestep into Operation Europe: Path to Victory, 1939-45.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

By "matches", do you mean games? In other words, 4 tournaments, 3 opponents per tournament, 1 set per match, and 6 games per set? If so, that's only 12 sets, which is actually not too bad -- it's fewer than what both Davis Cup and Andre Agassi require in a single sitting. Davis Cup requires 15 sets in one sitting to win a Grand Slam event, and 20 sets to win the Davis Cup (though you can forfeit 8 of those); Andre Agassi requires 32 sets to beat the game, with (I believe) no passwords.

That said, I read that when you beat Capriati, you get a password to play against a second set of tougher opponents, so I don't know the details. But no rush on the tennis games, at least as far as I'm concerned -- that's the one sports genre I'm genuinely enthusiastic about, though Andre Agassi isn't exactly stoking that fire.

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Right, it's one set per opponent to beat them, though I believe you can set it for more (would you really want to though?). Are you instantly done if you lose a set in those other tennis games though? There are no continues here, which is why I find it so daunting; it's annoying to restart from scratch after spending a few hours making it through 7 opponents. Even though some of the other tennis games have been claimed/beaten already, I might give them a quick go just to see how they compare.

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Originally Posted by DaddyMulk

Are you instantly done if you lose a set in those other tennis games though?

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In Andre Agassi Tennis, matches are all three sets (best 2 of 3), so you have to lose two sets to lose the match. When that happens you're done with that tournament, but you can still play the others; however it may not be possible to reach #1 in the world -- which is the game's goal -- if you lose a tournament. (Which is silly if so, since in real life someone who wins 3 out of 4 Grand Slams can still be #1.)

In the career mode of Davis Cup Tennis, the situation is similar: some tournaments are 1 set per match, some are three sets (best 2 of 3), and some are five sets (best 3 of 5), but in any of them if you lose a match you're out. But you get passwords after each tournament. You don't get passwords in the Davis Cup matches; those are best-three-out-of-five overall for the team, and the individual matches are one set each (can't remember whether that's configurable or not), so you have to lose three matches to get eliminated.

So, no. :D But Andre Agassi is pretty comparable, I think. There may be others on the Genesis that do it too, but thankfully most tennis games are free of the lunacy of expecting you to complete 10+ sets in one sitting with no passwords.

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goldenband- I'll leave it up to you if you want to count it or not. Lightening Force beaten on Hard, with "No Miss" bonus.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

Sorry that I don't know this, but is that counting against Sonic 3, or Sonic & Knuckles? I assume it's Sonic 3, and QuickSciFi was pretty adamant that using the lockout shouldn't count as beating Sonic 3 since it makes the game shorter. But I personally don't have a problem with having Sonic 3 & Knuckles as a joint "extra", i.e. separate from beating Sonic 3 on its own.

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I personally think it should count as its own entry, mainly because it differs from Sonic3 alone as the last boss is not there and you get to play the game with Knuckles, going to areas you cannot otherwise (plus more challenging bosses), and you get 2 now bonus stages and difference from S&K is that you get to play with Tails who can fly and find places other 2 cannot reach (hidden palace for example) plus you also get Hyper Sonic/Knuckles/Tails. You only get Super Sonic and Knuckles in S&K alone. And 1 new bonus stage (from Sonic3 part).

I'll do Socket later today, that one won't have such headaches associated with it :P

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Populous update : I'm done !

I've been through worlds 0, 5, 8, 12, 16, 21, 26, 31, 35, 38, 41, 46, 51, 57, 61, 68, 72, 76, 80, 86, 92, 98, 102, 107, 113, 118, 124, 128, 133, 137, 143, 147, 154, 161, 166, 171, 178, 185, 190, 195, 203, 208, 216, 222, 229, 234, 242, 247, 253, 260, 265, 269, 273, 278, 283, 290, 295, 301, 306, 311, 316, 322, 329, 335, 339, 343, 349, 356, 361, 367, 372, 379, 387, 404, 410, 417, 425, 431, 439, 444, 449, 454, 460, 466, 473, 479, 486, 492, 494.

One of the most difficult worlds I've been through is #425 (and probably until #429, which share the same features), where He starts doing earthquakes less than one minute after the beginning. I notices that generally, in volcaninc worlds, His mana tends to grow very fast. About His rating, I noticed He is harder to beat when His rating is set to Average, I don't know why. When His rating is better, He uses less powers although He attacks sooner with His leader. Whens His rating is average, He attacks rather soon, but uses His powers a lot (many knights, for example, when we are not developped a lot yet). When I finishedlevel 492, I thought I was done because my score would have allowed me to reach the end directly, but no, I had to do #494 anyway. The ending is VERY disappointing as there is no music not any special scene, just a picture with a text, and we start back at world #0, which is renamed SHISODING for the occasion, and things go on with the original worlds and names, and became a Mortal again, after being an Eternal God. ^^;

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Originally Posted by The Coop

goldenband- I'll leave it up to you if you want to count it or not. Lightening Force beaten on Hard, with "No Miss" bonus.

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Counting it, for sure. The poster who originally claimed it had ample time to work on it (or just check in), and also ignored requests to claim a sports game (he'd also claimed an über-popular RPG to boot). And anyway, no game is anyone's personal property; claims are for efficiency, not ownership.

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Originally Posted by TmEE

I personally think it should count as its own entry

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That seems like the best way to cut the Gordian knot. :D

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Originally Posted by Hrothgar SCRB

Populous update : I'm done !

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Awesome!! Thanks so much, Hrothgar SCRB. I hope you had some good times with it along the way. What do you think of the MD version vs. the SMS version?

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Originally Posted by goldenband

Awesome!! Thanks so much, Hrothgar SCRB. I hope you had some good times with it along the way. What do you think of the MD version vs. the SMS version?

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You're welcome. :)

The feeling is different. The ergonomy has been optimized on the SMS version (no useless soft-scrolling cursor). On the SMS, the highest altitude is lower than the MD version, and we always are granted the power Armageddon, the Evil never. On the MD, Armageddon is a power like any other. On the SMS version, the maximum number of people while starting a new world is 15, while the MD has 30. On the SMS version, I don't remember seing His population bar reach the top of the gauge, while on the MD it happens often, even on early worlds. The MD version has only 4 types of landscapes with 494 worlds while the SMS one has 6 types and thousands of levels.

To finish, the overall difficulty is similar.

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Populous update : I'm done !

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Friggin' awesome! Congrats man! I've always wanted to get further in Populous but couldn't quite get the hang of it when I tried it on the Genesis a few years ago. Growing up as a console gamer rather than a PC gamer, the interface overwhelmed me.

Socket done :
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I'll take a break now

Arch rivals is done. i think the only why to really enjoy this game is by playing it two players and even then its meh.

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Berenstain Bears Camping Adventure is aslo done. this was actually the first genesis game i had. sure did bring back some memories playing it for the first time in the past two years.

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Since I took a great game like Lightening Force from an untended to list, I decided to take a major turd (so to speak) the same way...

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Dark Castle. What a piece of trash this game is. Very short, very broken in controls, music, and hit detection, and if you manage to get through all it's issues, you get the above. Just not worth the effort.

Once again, it's up to you if you want to count this, goldenband.

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Originally Posted by Hrothgar SCRB

The feeling is different. [...] To finish, the overall difficulty is similar.

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It sounds like there are plenty of reasons to prefer the SMS version, then. :)

I don't know if you're interested in playing any other Genesis/Mega Drive games, but feel free to keep participating! If you prefer strategy titles, there are plenty left, ranging from the excellent to the horrible.

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Originally Posted by TmEE

Socket done :

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Cool. I hope you beat some more -- sorry your first one had some bureaucratic complications!

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Originally Posted by puddingdragon

Berenstain Bears Camping Adventure is aslo done. this was actually the first genesis game i had. sure did bring back some memories playing it for the first time in the past two years.

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I'm glad this was beaten by someone who actually had some attachment to it, rather than someone who'd just be gritting their teeth/rolling their eyes through a kids' game.

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Originally Posted by The Coop

Dark Castle. What a piece of trash this game is. Very short, very broken in controls, music, and hit detection, and if you manage to get through all it's issues, you get the above. Just not worth the effort.

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I still have some affection for it, myself. I'd played the Macintosh version before, and there's something about the combination of "very short" and "complete pain in the ass" that was somehow appealing to me -- when I wasn't cursing a blue streak at it, that is.

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Once again, it's up to you if you want to count this, goldenband.

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100% counts. The rule from the beginning has been that whoever beats it, gets the credit, and claims are just a courtesy -- not to mention that I extended the one-month "no updates" expiration by an extra two weeks. Obviously we don't want to deliberately step on each other, especially with the longer games -- but if someone had beaten Super Hydlide an hour before me, well, that's life.

BTW after only about 7 weeks, we're now one game short of being 25% done. 711 games - 20 disallowed games = 691 total to beat, and we've gotten 172 done (not counting Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which I've put under "extras"), or 24.89%. What will be #173?

(I almost wish Dark Castle had been the 173rd, that'd be strangely appropriate!)

Sports games frighten me :P

^Well, Socket isn't really popular enough to come with a sports game requirement, so you don't have to play one next if you don't want to.