Most impressive FPS on consoles for the time and hardware: The blurry texture days

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

It can be impressive to some point... I think I'm much more impressed with the Q1 ports than Q2. I think the Q2 "port" is kinda like the Duke3D port to the MD - interesting, but not hardly the same thing.

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It doesn't help me at all that I wouldn't be able to tell the level design differences between the PS1 maps and PC or N64 for that matter. Duke 3D is obviously flat and doesn't have the same levels in the MD version. PS1 Quake II just looks like an unfiltered version to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aocVwn2Pnb8

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Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Yeah, it's a close choice in some cases, but I gave the edge to Powerslave.

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I guess Powerslave Saturn definitely is impressive, whereas we can question all of the other ones to some degree.

Is it the actual engine that needs all that RAM or is it a combination of the engine and the content? I ask because I'd be curious to know if you could get say the Quake 2 engine running on something like the Saturn or PS1, but use your own custom content for it. So you'd get the benefits of the Quake 2 engine for a custom Saturn/PS1 game.

Turok 1 was impressive for me because it was the first FPS game i ever saw with smooth 3D polygon models in early 97. The only other game i saw that didn't use sprites, at the time Turok was released, was Quake 1 (although im not totally sure if there was any other game, please correct me if i'm wrong) but compared to the higher polygon, smooth animated models of Turok they looked like bad animatronic dolls. Even with the smooth movement patch.

Additionally, Turok had some nice 3D foliage effects for the time (no cardboard trees) and some impressive particle effects as well (compared to the flying pixels of Quake). But Quake 1 had more geometry on the levels and more complex level design plus it didn't have fog, but Turok had outdoor levels mostly so it could be forgiven, all 3D polygon games had some kind of popup if they used big outdoor levels at the time.

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Originally Posted by kokujin

So the Saturn version only looks better?I always thought the games were same outside the graphics.

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No, they're not the same. Saturn version is, like Chilly Willy says, a game that may look and sound like Duke 3D but it's totally different. The PS1 version is a true port of the PC game AFAIK and IMO the most faithful port of a PC FPS you'll find in that generation.
The Saturn version lacks a lot of voice clips, the walls let you see the secret passages easily most of the time, a lot of the scripting is missing, you have to pause to change the selected inventory item (IIRC), Duke's speed is slower... A lot of stuff.

The PS1 version is usually overlooked and unfairly (IMO) bashed 'cause: 1) It looks worse than the Saturn's. 2) It has a lot of spots with noticeable slowdown. 3)The default control scheme is a mess.
As most of the reviewers of the time just played the game in a rush, it got thrashed forever.

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Originally Posted by kokujin

I was going to go with Quake 2, but Turok 2 just looks too good.The framerate was crap(with high res on), but the amount of stuff they managed to do was incredible.

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Turok 2's enemies AI is very good IMO. Some enemies will do "ninja" moves to avoid your shots, I love that.
The music is also very good for N64 standards (partially thanks to the HUGE cart). The graphics are awesome IMO.

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Originally Posted by Soulis

Turok 1 was impressive for me because it was the first FPS game i ever saw with smooth 3D polygon models in early 97. The only other game i saw that didn't use sprites, at the time Turok was released, was Quake 1 (although im not totally sure if there was any other game, please correct me if i'm wrong) but compared to the higher polygon, smooth animated models of Turok they looked like bad animatronic dolls. Even with the smooth movement patch.

Additionally, Turok had some nice 3D foliage effects for the time (no cardboard trees) and some impressive particle effects as well (compared to the flying pixels of Quake). But Quake 1 had more geometry on the levels and more complex level design plus it didn't have fog, but Turok had outdoor levels mostly so it could be forgiven, all 3D polygon games had some kind of popup if they used big outdoor levels at the time.

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Thanks for the great post. Rep'ed.
You can vote for Turok 1 in this thread: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...4-bit-outtakes

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Originally Posted by Barone

No, don't try to advocate the inclusion of the Dreamcast, I'll be watching you sheath! ;)

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Screw that, Quake 3 on the dreamcast STILL does things not done in modern FPS ports.

I would have voted for Powerslave even if Quake 3 were on the list, though.

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Originally Posted by Barone

You can vote for Turok 1 in this thread: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...4-bit-outtakes

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Done, thanks :)