The Sega Orbi Conspiracy Thread (for use with MrSega only)

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Originally Posted by villahed94

I don't think it should be a tablet, at least not an Android based one. Too generic for Sega.
Sega was known for creating custom, innovative hardware.

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Considering that they have $3 billion in cash and that its been 12 years since they've left the hardware business, SEGA's first best option is a $300 million dollar budget gaming tablet.

As for Android based, I think RingEdge 2 is a strong indicator that the Tablet won't be Android based or have basic mobile technology. I believe if SEGA had stuck with RingEdge, the tablet probably would have been mobile.

Also judging from the fact that its been 2 years since the KIDS PAD trademark was filed, there's little doubt that SEGA did some obvious heavily retooling and reconcepting of what they originally intended. With the Tablet market getting more niche and Wii U.

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Originally Posted by MrSega

LED(liquid electronic display)

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Nothing about using an LED backlight would differentiate the screen from a wii u gamepad... because both would be LCD screens... and on a screen that size? I doubt your average gamer could ever notice the difference between the backlight being used unless you designed a test specifically to show them.
It also makes no difference to streaming anything... that has nothing to do with the backlight, it has everything to do with how the device accesses data. IE: network speed and ability to cache/buffer information for long enough to flawlessly handle slow/inconsistent speeds.
After that it's entirely up to the devices ability to render the video, which should be easy for anyone hardware to do in this day and age.


Novell is hardly a major player anymore... so why would they matter? For a consumer.. are they Apple? Are they Droid? Are they Microsoft? (in that order usually) No? then they they pretty much don't have a clue who they are and don't give a shit. They would not be able to port the IOS/Droid/MS apps over via emulation without the respective companies allowing it to happen. Which means they would need to have every app ported to them specifically... which would not be easy.

Likewise... what does the PSN breach have to do with anything? It's unrelated to this discussion and just about anything related to it at all. Poor corporate policy and system administration had WAY more to do with the breach than what OS they were on, likewise the breach would have been seen as less than what it was if Sony hadn't handled it so poorly... what part of any of that has anything to do with what OS Sega would pick for their magical fantasy device?

And to go into that even more, Android and IOS are both "based" on Unix, just as their parent Linux and OSX operating systems are. Even Microsoft has adopted many more Unix like features, but they still have the largest exposure, therefor the biggest target painted on them.

Even the venerable old TI calculators are finally getting color screens... so again, why would Sega waste so much money licensing a failing company to make a device with a minimal feature set? And if they were going to license a company for a far more complicated device... again, why would they go with a company in such bad shape that has very little current market appeal?
Samsung, Nokia, LG, HTC, Motorola, and any number of other companies would be a much better choice to pair up with... Or go with something smaller and custom with a memory company like Sandisk or PNY to create a fast memory device... but then again, if it's a tablet, why would it have a memory card at all? Why would they care? If it's a tablet it would be expected to have USB... so why wouldn't it just use a USB disk to transfer files locally, and ethernet/wireless otherwise?

The device you are talking about is such a bastardized mix of shitty 90's tech and "retro current" that it's doomed to fail. Partnerships with companies that were huge int he 90's and early 2000's but all but failed now, technologies that have come and gone, functionality that no longer makes sense, and an over all product identity crisis.

All of that is just a mess, and even if this device was true, it would pan out like the blackberry playbook... a device that just doesn't make sense, struggling to find just what the hell it's good for agasint superior competitors.

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Originally Posted by evildragon

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You're referring to this right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED

Which is for lighting. Motion sensoring. Disc reading. Lens. Clocks. Watches.

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Originally Posted by villahed94

I don't think it should be a tablet, at least not an Android based one. Too generic for Sega.
Sega was known for creating custom, innovative hardware.

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The problem with that is they are no longer competing with small time companies making simple and single purpose hardware... They are competing with large consumer electronic companies who are making cutting edge, billion dollar hardware... and Nintendo, which is still entrenched firmly and profitably as they have been for some time.

Sega can't just "magic" a piece of multi billion dollar tech out of thin air. If they had been doing ANYTHING that involved major hardware, we would have been hearing about it... just like we did for the wii u, just like we have been for the next xbox and playstation... Sega isn't up to anything involving any major hardware or manufacturing player... which means they would have to be able to match the R&D of companies like Nvidia, ATI, IBM, etc all on their own... I don't think so.

And that leaves a fairly off the shelf solution, which would be far less powerful. There is no reason not to use Android or Windows Mobile.. IF they were going the tablet route it would save them tons of cash in development, give them access to a large software library (including some of their own), as well as plenty of devs familiar with the environment.
The innovative and unique part would come in how the tablet is presented, and what software they provide for it. IE: Samsung has a samsung games app, nokia used to have the NGAGE capabilities once the hardware failed and they just rolled it into the games.

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Originally Posted by MrSega

You're referring to this right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED

Which is for lighting. Motion sensoring. Disc reading. Lens. Clocks. Watches.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_%28disambiguation%29

Where in that is your "liquid electronic display"?
Which, if you type into google, returns nothing but information on LCD's... why? Because an "LED" tv or touchscreen is nothing more than an LCD display with an LED backlight instead of something like EL wire as a backlight.

Exactly, LED is NOT Liquid Electronic Display.

This guys a fucktard.

Only true LED screen is an OLED screen, where no LCD is involved.

And that's Organic Light Emitting Diode.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

Nothing about using an LED backlight would differentiate the screen from a wii u gamepad... because both would be LCD screens... and on a screen that size? I doubt your average gamer could ever notice the difference between the backlight being used unless you designed a test specifically to show them.
It also makes no difference to streaming anything... that has nothing to do with the backlight, it has everything to do with how the device accesses data. IE: network speed and ability to cache/buffer information for long enough to flawlessly handle slow/inconsistent speeds.
After that it's entirely up to the devices ability to render the video, which should be easy for anyone hardware to do in this day and age.


Novell is hardly a major player anymore... so why would they matter? For a consumer.. are they Apple? Are they Droid? Are they Microsoft? (in that order usually) No? then they they pretty much don't have a clue who they are and don't give a shit. They would not be able to port the IOS/Droid/MS apps over via emulation without the respective companies allowing it to happen. Which means they would need to have every app ported to them specifically... which would not be easy.

Likewise... what does the PSN breach have to do with anything? It's unrelated to this discussion and just about anything related to it at all. Poor corporate policy and system administration had WAY more to do with the breach than what OS they were on, likewise the breach would have been seen as less than what it was if Sony hadn't handled it so poorly... what part of any of that has anything to do with what OS Sega would pick for their magical fantasy device?

And to go into that even more, Android and IOS are both "based" on Unix, just as their parent Linux and OSX operating systems are. Even Microsoft has adopted many more Unix like features, but they still have the largest exposure, therefor the biggest target painted on them.

Even the venerable old TI calculators are finally getting color screens... so again, why would Sega waste so much money licensing a failing company to make a device with a minimal feature set? And if they were going to license a company for a far more complicated device... again, why would they go with a company in such bad shape that has very little current market appeal?
Samsung, Nokia, LG, HTC, Motorola, and any number of other companies would be a much better choice to pair up with... Or go with something smaller and custom with a memory company like Sandisk or PNY to create a fast memory device... but then again, if it's a tablet, why would it have a memory card at all? Why would they care? If it's a tablet it would be expected to have USB... so why wouldn't it just use a USB disk to transfer files locally, and ethernet/wireless otherwise?

The device you are talking about is such a bastardized mix of shitty 90's tech and "retro current" that it's doomed to fail. Partnerships with companies that were huge int he 90's and early 2000's but all but failed now, technologies that have come and gone, functionality that no longer makes sense, and an over all product identity crisis.

All of that is just a mess, and even if this device was true, it would pan out like the blackberry playbook... a device that just doesn't make sense, struggling to find just what the hell it's good for agasint superior competitors.

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Streaming by resolution. Not by net connection. By display. LED screens have better resolution and display. Backlighting. Something that Basic LCD touch screens don't have. Basic LCD screens are poor a displaying menus and opening portals. Most mobile devices are designed with the ability to multi access. You can active an Android or iPhone screen to do several things at once such as open different pages, display another screen or activate multiple functionality.

If you want to go into networking you have either Wi-Fi or wireless broadband.

The design of the CPU itself wouldn't have any problems with bandwidth speed on loading non storage data and software. If its instruction data is balanced , it wouldn't be problematic.

Novell is the only Middleware brand using still using a more conservative UNIX run. Something closer to iOS and MAC OS X. Linux is too common and stands to have higher jailbreaking risks. SEGA didn't ignore the PSN breach because it AFFECTED all of its DLC and shortly after all the SEGA pass and Sega Forum portals were somehow breached as well. As remember GD-ROM? Remember how problematic it was for SEGA in regards to piracy?

I'm pretty sure, if SEGA is planning their own tablet, they would be doing everything in their power to prevent such a situation where they're hacked. SEGA doesn't want risks and considering that they plan to have a global wireless network will use every tool they can to avoid a PSN like situation.

As for the VMU with Blackberry features. It would basically be a mirco Blackberry Compact Flash Flash Memory card. The functions and features aren't for anything vital except backup memory and data it would be in the same league as an SD card The VMU design wouldn't be black and white. It like any other Blackberry or 10 year old PDA would use color.

VMU was never meant to be cutting edge. Its a memory card with simple features other than saving data.


Why would it need a memory card? For backup and extra storage. Like ordinary Tablets, it would have 16GBs of Internal Storage. Say it would have a limit to what you can download or add for example Vita, the VMUs would act the same as SD cards do for Androids. USB is out of the options because its just too novel.

There likely wouldn't be an identity crisis with SEGA POD like there is with Wii U. If SEGA knows what their doing and whatever further R&D went on from early 2011 to now. I doubt it would be a failure especially if the concept has been retooled and been under wraps this whole time.

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Originally Posted by evildragon

Only true LED screen is an OLED screen, where no LCD is involved.

And that's Organic Light Emitting Diode.

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Sort of true. It's still an LED, but instead of the backlight being essentially a lightbulb or a series of LED's it's a film of organic material that emits light when a current is applied. So they all work functionally the same (shining light through an LCD), but the technology and specifics of the light itself are the main factors.

OLED's are the best in terms of color and black levels (being similar to plasma TV's in that regard), but still rather expensive compared to the "standard" and LED backlight varieties if I recall (unless their price has dropped dramatically in the last year or so).

Clearly MrSega is not only evidence inept, but completely clueless on anything technology.

Here's a prediction for ya, this thread will be closed before February and MrSega will be banned.

OLED doesn't have any LCD in any form.

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

The problem with that is they are no longer competing with small time companies making simple and single purpose hardware... They are competing with large consumer electronic companies who are making cutting edge, billion dollar hardware... and Nintendo, which is still entrenched firmly and profitably as they have been for some time.

Sega can't just "magic" a piece of multi billion dollar tech out of thin air. If they had been doing ANYTHING that involved major hardware, we would have been hearing about it... just like we did for the wii u, just like we have been for the next xbox and playstation... Sega isn't up to anything involving any major hardware or manufacturing player... which means they would have to be able to match the R&D of companies like Nvidia, ATI, IBM, etc all on their own... I don't think so.

And that leaves a fairly off the shelf solution, which would be far less powerful. There is no reason not to use Android or Windows Mobile.. IF they were going the tablet route it would save them tons of cash in development, give them access to a large software library (including some of their own), as well as plenty of devs familiar with the environment.
The innovative and unique part would come in how the tablet is presented, and what software they provide for it. IE: Samsung has a samsung games app, nokia used to have the NGAGE capabilities once the hardware failed and they just rolled it into the games.

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The Tablet has a $300 million dollar budget. How the hell that's assumed its a multi-billion dollar project is beyond me.

SEGA has never, I repeat, NEVER spend a billion dollars on R&D on home consumer hardware. As I recall, Saturn, SEGA's most expensive project at the time was only $650 million.(Which is about $920 million today.) Now they did spend $1.4 billion on Lockheed Martin's silicon in 1991-1992 but that was 3 chipset projects, not one. Dreamcast was barely even $500 million.

Also SEGA is in a better financial situation and circumstance to launch a new home consumer product then have been in 20 years. Their biggest threat Sony has lost pretty much ALL its capital and just got its credit rating downgraded to junk. SEGA has plenty of different markets with potential capital and revenue besides gaming which is why "Orbi" has so many different products. There's plenty of ripe profitable markets such as Franchise,Joint Ventures,overseas vending machine and Casino machine manufacturing, for them besides placing all their eggs in one basket.

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Originally Posted by MrSega

and just got its credit rating downgraded to junk.

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Sony's credit rating is a few "notches" above junk, not right at it.

Everything you say, if takes and being even remotely true, absolutely points to this device having an identity crisis the likes of which would make a psychologist cry.

Why a VMU? for backup? That's what the cheap USB drives everyone and their Aunt Petunia can buy RIGHT NOW are for. You use special memory card for specialized devices. If this is going to be a tablet, no one wants a locked down proprietary memory card... they want to use what they already have, and what they can walk into best buy and buy for dirt cheap.

And what are you smoking? The backlight has NOTHING to do with resolution or menu's. Resolution is the screen in use... you could have a super high density black and white display with no backlight at all if you wanted... no one would buy it, but you could. All resolution is is pixel count and pixel density for a given size.... the end. Menu's have nothing to do with any aspect of the display whatsoever aside from showing up there.

And why would Sega give a crap about middleware on a portable device with already limited power capabilities? You use middleware on high end devices with lots of processing power. And middleware means they need to have a host OS to run it on... which means they would need something that is suited for a mobile platform.. which would essentially be a Nix derivative according to you... which is all Android is. "Linux" is not generic, it's as specific and targeted as you want it to be. Ubuntu (a specific linux distribution) is fairly generic and generally optimized for your standard user. Something like a raw Debian build is not... and there are tons of distributions out there that can be used in whatever way you decide them to be.

Again, the bastard of a device you keep adding more information about would suffer from being overly complex, both over AND under powered (which is a real feat), not compatible with anything average users want, expensive (or costing Sega a shitload to subsidize), and be utterly lacking in any sort of real support where your average users want.

Apple came off their excellent iPod line, then to the iPhone, and then the iPad... Google was a known name, and came in when the iPhone was the only real slick player in the market... and they have done well. MS is a well known player, and has existing phones (good and bad), and is still struggling to catch up. Sega is no longer a name on consumers lips, they have 3 major competitors with mobile device types (more if you count individual manufacturers), and they have little history with a device of this type.