Fan-made tech demo of Starfox on the Genesis

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03-07-2013, 06:54 PM
Armoured Priest

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Originally Posted by TmEE

Those people use emulation mainly, and that game is a loooot smoother in emulation. I get the real game too and it is barely 10fps.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Star Fox running on a stock SNES runs at about 12 fps (give or take).

I haven't looked at the game running on an actual SNES in about 15 years, though i do have a recording of it somewhere, so I can't say for certain from memory. Based on memory, though, the demo is pretty close (give or take some optimization...hell it may even end up running at a better rate).
03-07-2013, 07:41 PM
Guntz

The demo looks to be running a bit slower than Star Fox on a real SNES. I've played the real thing a lot of times.
03-07-2013, 07:51 PM
Stef

Indeed it does run a bit slower than on real SNES but not that much.
Starfox on SNES runs at variable frame rate, oscillating between 7 FPS on heavy scene up to 14/15 FPS on empty ones.
I still have some rooms for optimization and i think i can do something close to the SNES version.
Considering we do not cheat as the SNES that is not that bad, thanks to the blast processing :D
03-07-2013, 07:56 PM
Da_Shocker

Thing is we have seen damn near everything the Genesis is capable of doing. There are what over 600 games available for it? The 32X on the other hand lasted for about 6 months or so and we never got to see it's full capabilities. And i'm pretty sure a 32X version would stomp all over the SNES version.
03-07-2013, 08:02 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by Stef

Indeed it does run a bit slower than on real SNES but not that much.
Starfox on SNES runs at variable frame rate, oscillating between 7 FPS on heavy scene up to 14/15 FPS on empty ones.
I still have some rooms for optimization and i think i can do something close to the SNES version.
Considering we do not cheat as the SNES that is not that bad, thanks to the blast processing :D

When your demo hits around 10fps it looks the same as the SNES version to me.
03-07-2013, 08:10 PM
Guntz

I never had a controller connected, does Stef's demo allow for controlling the Arwing?

A 32X version would be nice, but by doing it on Genesis, we can effectively snub the noses of retarded SNES fanboys who think the Genesis isn't capable of anything, let alone things the SNES could do easily (even with a cheater chip derp derp).
03-07-2013, 08:19 PM
Kamahl

Yeah, if you can get 10-12 fps it'll be indistinguishable from the real thing in performance (2x slower, stupid damn SNES fanboys, 10*2 is 20 not 15).
03-07-2013, 08:21 PM
Stef

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Originally Posted by Da_Shocker

Thing is we have seen damn near everything the Genesis is capable of doing.
There are what over 600 games available for it?

The point is that we actually... don't.
Did you saw something similar to SNES starfox game on a stock genesis before today ? well, we had ResQ bonus level but not exactly the same level...

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The 32X on the other hand lasted for about 6 months or so and we never got to see it's full capabilities. And i'm pretty sure a 32X version would stomp all over the SNES version.

Of course a 32X version would be *far* superior to the SNES version, but that is the least we can expect from a 32X which is probably 10 times more powerful than SuperFX itself !
As other people for me the point is to see a Starfox port on stock Genesis, making it on 32X is not challenging :p
03-07-2013, 08:29 PM
Guntz

Not to mention, to make a 32X game, you have to be good at programming everything in software for two SH2 CPUs AND be able to work with a tiny amount of RAM. Stef is already really good at programming for Genesis, so that is the easier platform to work with.

Stef, do you have any plans to work this demo towards a fully playable port? Or was this a proof of concept?
03-07-2013, 08:30 PM
Robotwo

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Originally Posted by Stef

The point is that we actually... don't.
Did you saw something similar to SNES starfox game on a stock genesis before today ? well, we had ResQ bonus level but not exactly the same level...

The intro to StarCruiser was pretty fancy and reminds me a bit of starfox, the gameplay does not however :B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIMEfxYh3lc#t=0m42s
03-07-2013, 08:37 PM
Iron Lizard

They are fighting amongst themselves. The diabolical plan is working. MOHAHAHAHA!!
03-07-2013, 09:02 PM
Joe Redifer

Someone needs to make a request to the Nintendo guys that they see how well they can do getting Starfox up and running on a stock SNES. That's right, no SFX chip.
03-07-2013, 09:16 PM
sheath

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Originally Posted by Robotwo

The intro to StarCruiser was pretty fancy and reminds me a bit of starfox, the gameplay does not however :B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIMEfxYh3lc#t=0m42s

That's pretty much what I would expect ordinarily from the stock Genesis. Otherwise what we got was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5xyDgO84pI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OsDhRfmOt8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhKVj43AcQI

These don't exactly inspire hope that the Genesis could do StarFox this well all on its own. I guess in these game's favor though, the whole screen is being rendered in "3D", and all sides of all objects can be seen with free motion, whereas StarFox only renders one sided objects on a rail most of the time.
03-07-2013, 09:57 PM
old man

An SVP chip Starfox on the Genesis would kick the shit out of the original. Just look at how smooth and fast Virtual Racer is. But who cares about polygons? Afterburner and Super Thunderblade FTW.

A stock SNES can still do some neat stuff in the right hands, though. Just check out Off Road The Baja. The engine is kind of slow and choppy, but still impressive and fun considering it's a LoRom game.
03-07-2013, 10:29 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

If you want to see it run the same way as on the Snes you might as well recreate it for the Dreamcast, because the 32X is not a Genesis anymore,
and that's the part that bothers me when people say "oh use 32X" because its cheating! the whole point was to see how a stock Genesis compared to a Snes. (with its cheating chips)

so it bothers me so much when people say "oh use 32X" because we didn't have that when it mattered.

"stomp the snes" yeah with even more cheating then they did with the FX chip.

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Originally Posted by TmEE

I agree with the NeoVamp here

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Originally Posted by sheath

I pretty much agree with you NeoVamp. If a 32X answer to StarFox were needed that game wouldn't have been better than what we already got in Star Wars Arcade, Shadow Squadron and even After Burner and Space Harrier. I did wish the Sega CD had more of a polygonal rail shooter like Star Fox though, but Stellar Fire and Silpheed pretty much delivered on that front.

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing more polygonal games released for the Sega CD that attempted to max out both 68000s and the Graphics CoProcessor, not to mention DMA to the Genesis VDP. Those were the technical feats that I wanted back in 1992-3. Once the 32X came along I was imagining Tomb Raider and Virtua Fighter, not Chip-assisted SNES games.

I don't seem to be very popular on this forum! So, to make everyone happy, let's pull the SFX chip out and see how StarFox runs without it on the SNES. Then we would have a fair comparison. Virtua Racing's chip would easily compare to SFX. This is no true test of hardware when StarFox has an extra chip in the cartridge, while the Genesis demo is running on pure hardware.

So much hostility, damn.

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