Was that what you were looking for then? I mean, performance wise I suppose Soul Star pushes the Graphics CoProcessor pretty well all things considered. What I really would have liked though would be polygons mixed in with the scaling objects, or just faster segments, along with Ricoh + YM2612 + PSG music and sound effects rather than simple CDA.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Yes, thank you.
How did people recently figure out how to use Genesis AND Sega CD together on Piers Solar ? I mean Sega never did it (or couldn't?).
It's funny you mention this as just yesterday I received the Pier Solar OST set, and thought to myself how innovative Watermelon was in implementing the Sega CD's audio in conjunction with Genesis game play. Really quite brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Sega did venture down that avenue when looking at the five or six 32x/CD games they had produced (although I'm still uncertain why it was necessary), perhaps it wasn't in their interest to explore this feature as the 16bit era was phasing out and investing further into this market would be nonsensical. Who knows. As cool as it would be to have remastered CD audio game tracks to correspond with my old carts, I think it would under-mind the novelty of video game music during this time.
Nice post Lync.
I have a question, were (guy who composed) SOR studio mastered recordings wavs used on 4 (or 5) in 1 Sega CD compilation, or did they just dub the raw audio (gym or w/e) off the cart and slap that on that compilation. Hope I explained that right, I'm curious of those things.
Like nobody can really hear the difference in audio on ISO (Sega CD games uploaded) are mp3 (or w/e) instead of wav or mpeg-4, but I can.
I think all of the info I could possibly come up with is in the buried Sega CD Mode 1 thread. Basically I can only guess that Sega didn't include soundtrack disks with cartridges due to a combination of potential consumer confusion and wanting to sell two different versions of the same game in cases where the Sega CD version was mostly just a soundtrack upgrade.
Wait why would they need audio CDs for "Sega CD 32 x" games or do you mean the 32 x would be graphics and has audio on CD rom off Sega CD that would come with 32 x carts ? SNES cart had Killer Instinct that came with audio CD but yeah I guess it'll be confusing seeing a Sega CD audio only package cased just like a Sega CD VG case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lync
There were a couple of 32X CD / Sega CD dual releases that had both disks in the same case. So if you had a 32X you could load up the 32X CD disk or if you just had a Sega CD you'd use that. I wish they made more of those.
Okay thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Iu8iygpgm8-MDw
Were these going to be an actual releases ?
http://lparchive.org/Sonic-2-Special...ages/cover.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/vnjrma.jpg
http://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/g...tis-32x-12.jpg
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Hmmm
http://www.unseen64.net/2009/09/05/s...32x-cancelled/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aPqY_2f8Pbw
Also was it true Night Trap 32 x CD had the bathroom scene or any scene removed compared to Sega CD version ?
As far as I know Night Trap 32X CD is the same as the original, only the second Sega CD release with the blue hard box was edited.
The sides of the buildings are simply objects rotated on the Y axis 90 degrees and placed against the object that is not rotated at all. The Sega CD can do this pretty easily. Not a polygon at all, but still "true 3D" if you will, at least in the sense of the perspective gained by rotating it 90 degrees on the Y axis. There is a mech level in Soul Star that also does this with walls that surround the entire underground area. Nothing special, no polygons, just plain scaling and rotating effects like you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kool Kitty
Hmm, you must be a musician like my brother and have "absolute pitch," that's hereditary you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
If I understand correctly you are comparing an original cartridge's audio to that of a CD compilation - such as the Dreamcast's "Smash Pack" or an emulation ISO? I'm sure any significant differences you hear depends on how the audio was integrated, perhaps the track was compromised to save space or even considering the hardware as a medium and what its audio specs are effects how sounds are produced.
In the field of music the technique of remastering deals with a hierarchical layering of instruments and sound effects to modernize what was recorded through analog and then reformatting it for digital use. I'm on a small tangent here but since audio is information, how a master track is pressed and transferred determines the complexity of the process and the integrity of the result.
With GYM's being obsolete, I'm sure a composer would restore a video game track in a similar manner to this but it is probably just easier to just recreate the track altogether.
Lastly, the 32X/CD games experimented in favor of trying to utilize and illustrate the 32x's superior graphics capabilities, you'll noticed all of the games are FMV games already available for the CD. I never bothered to look and see if there is a remarkable difference as I didn't find the games terribly interesting to begin with. In the grand scheme, cool idea just not fully executed.
I can hear the difference too. MP3 sounds terrible compared to Redbook.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Yes, I used to reggae dj at a radio station, run a recording studio and engineer songs for close to 2 decades. But like somebody said recently when I mentioned that, "who gives a fuck". Does your brother still do music ? That is cool, I recently had to get rid of everything so I'm off to another phase in my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lync
Yeah cart audio of SOR Genesis Cart vs SOR version on the Sega CD 5 in 1 compilation. I'm just curious if they just dubbed the audio from the cart or used (at least for music) the composers studio recording masters (wavs). Many Sega CD ISO now a days use mp3 audio instead of (wav/mpeg-4/etc) the original CD audio because uploading a zip with the original CD audio would take longer because of size of file.Quote:
If I understand correctly you are comparing an original cartridge's audio to that of a CD compilation - such as the Dreamcast's "Smash Pack" or an emulation ISO?
I'm just curious if Sega just dubbed the audio from the cart or used (at least for music) the composers studio recording masters (wavs).Quote:
I'm sure any significant differences you hear depends on how the audio was integrated, perhaps the track was compromised to save space or even considering the hardware as a medium and what its audio specs are effects how sounds are produced.
Okay.Quote:
In the field of music the technique of remastering deals with a hierarchical layering of instruments and sound effects to modernize what was recorded through analog and then reformatting it for digital use. I'm on a small tangent here but since audio is information, how a master track is pressed and transferred determines the complexity of the process and the integrity of the result.
With GYM's being obsolete, I'm sure a composer would restore a video game track in a similar manner to this but it is probably just easier to just recreate the track altogether.
Lastly, the 32X/CD games experimented in favor of trying to utilize and illustrate the 32x's superior graphics capabilities, you'll noticed all of the games are FMV games already available for the CD. I never bothered to look and see if there is a remarkable difference as I didn't find the games terribly interesting to begin with. In the grand scheme, cool idea just not fully executed.
Yeah Alec, some these Sega CD ISO sound like crap.