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Lead guitar is pretty screechy and metallic. The rhythm guitar sounds more like a buzzing sound than a guitar (unlike the guitars in War Like Requiem and Evil Destroyer which sound badass).Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Yeah, there's a reason Yuzo Koshiro's work is so adored.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
It's barely noticeable, really weak sounding instruments (note: not bad sounding, weak). The options tune is pretty much the only standout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robotwo
Because youtube comments are the source of all knowledge on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vector
It's a shame the superpcenginegrafx's/Black_Tiger's Street Fighter 2 audio comparison videos are no longer up. Those were great at showing the issues with the SNES voices. It also sucks that Capcom made a lot of the songs worse in the released Genesis version over the beta version.
For example Vega's Theme:
Arcade:
Genesis Beta:
Genesis release:
And for fun, SNES:
The Arcade sounds the best, then the Genesis Beta sounds the closest to that. Then it's downhill from there with the SNES version sounding absolutely nothing like it's supposed to.
I'd say this track from Thunder Force II is also a good example of something you never hear the SNES do as far as note progression goes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
I think that is the same lead guitar across all songs, it is just played in the higher range in these two songs. The compositions are more interesting in pretty much every way to me here as well. It is Primus compared to Megadeath I think. Come to think of it, they might have been aiming at a cello with that one song.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Sad thing is I don't think he ever really liked his own work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YTxGBfwsEM...+good+1985.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Megadeth! Someone should make a game on the Genesis with a Megadeth soundtrack.
Hell yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
What two songs? Metal Squad has a really strong lead guitar sound that's not present in any other song (the instrument is, but it's used differently).Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
I'm completely lost. You're comparing which songs to which? Metal Squad sounds like something from Dragonforce.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
He liked it more than Tim Follin did at least. Not a rewarding work considering their level of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Eh, maybe something like Skeleton Crew? :P
There is no faster way to destroy your credibility than to use youtube comments as a source to base your arguments on for discussions such as this. To be oblivious of this, at a point in time that even mainstream media mocks youtube commentary as fanboy nonsense, really bottom lines one's judgement.
Anyways, why waste time searching for Genesis examples that sound the most like SNES sound, when these youtube comments sum up the entire debate?
PDzeroHuh! The sampling bank might explain the poor sounding instrumentals on SNES. I always felt I had a bias towards the Genesis because I have a thing for synthetic sound, but now that you mention it, the Genesis sound chip seems to be capable of much, much tighter compositions.
Mar 24, 2013SpiralPegasusYou're not alone in that feeling! However, clearly it... really was superior. The YM2612 could mop the floor with the SNES' sound chip. Higher sampling quality, FM instruments instead of a sample bank, better bass response, and a digital audio channel for percussion. Please see the videos I've linked musicmaniac1965 to, below.
Better yet, instead of using SNES sound as the measure of how good or bad anything is, why not instead put together a list of SNES games with clear voice samples? Any examples thst approach the legitimate sound quality of the best samples in Genesus games. Instead of using quantity of games with a threshold of low mixed-bag quality as the measure of a console's ability to reproduce quality sound samples.
I was comparing Metal Squad to the other two TFIV songs you listed, War Like Requiem and Evil Storm. The main instruments sound the same to me in all three, but Metal Squad just plays the main "guitar" at a lot lower scale. I don't get the Dragon Force reference, isn't that soundtrack mostly symphonic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
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Because youtube comments are the source of all knowledge on the internet.
I said, the audio and some of the comments summed it up for me. I'm not using them as a source, I'm quoting them because I agree. I posted the videos so people can hear. So I'm not oblivious to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
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Originally Posted by Vector
For some md music, I agree.Quote:
Anyways, why waste time searching for Genesis examples that sound the most like SNES sound, when these youtube comments sum up the entire debate?
PDzeroHuh! The sampling bank might explain the poor sounding instrumentals on SNES. I always felt I had a bias towards the Genesis because I have a thing for synthetic sound, but now that you mention it, the Genesis sound chip seems to be capable of much, much tighter compositions.
Mar 24, 2013SpiralPegasusYou're not alone in that feeling! However, clearly it... really was superior. The YM2612 could mop the floor with the SNES' sound chip. Higher sampling quality, FM instruments instead of a sample bank, better bass response, and a digital audio channel for percussion. Please see the videos I've linked musicmaniac1965 to, below.
Yeah, I took the time to type a comparative list pages ago, I asked people to add on to it if they like several times, some had md > snes, some of it had snes > md in terms of voices.Quote:
Better yet, instead of using SNES sound as the measure of how good or bad anything is, why not instead put together a list of SNES games with clear voice samples? Any examples thst approach the legitimate sound quality of the best samples in Genesus games. Instead of using quantity of games with a threshold of low mixed-bag quality as the measure of a console's ability to reproduce quality sound samples.
Music is very subjective for both consoles though, the style of music you like, the instruments used, how the programmers/composers did everything, I mean both Castlevania music kick ass for each system, Masters of Monsters I like better than some snes music, SOR > almost anything on snes. I prefer the Genesis more 80s/rock/thin sound then snes at times, yet the snes music sounds great in games too. So if somebody wants to make a list for that, cool.
The lower scale of the "main" guitar keeps it from sounding like a buzzing sound. Listen to the start of metal squad, it's not a guitar, it's a "Bzzzzzzzz". The "Lead guitar" is a different instrument, it's the one that you know... leads. It sounds like a guitar solo not like guitar riffs. It's extremely sharp, grating and metallic, specially when it's really pushing the high notes. Burns a hole through my ears. Same problem as the Eliminate Down soundtrack except not nearly as bad, and the composition is much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
This is dragonforce:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s
With anime characters:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Okay, I think I am getting your perspective now. I will try to upload the Saturn soundtrack for Thunderforce IV tomorrow to see if it sound any different to you. Yes, the main part of Metal Squad is extremely sharp but also relatively quiet. I'm not hearing a buzzing sound with the beginning instrument though. If that is a buzzing sound than the whole game is riddled with BUZZ BUZZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Ah, okay, you mean metal noise. There is definitely plenty of that in MUSHA and TFIV regardless of how approximate the instruments are to real instruments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Sheath, me and kitty discussed VR sounds coming out of MD, does VF too ? The voices sound like it. See page 5 posts 63 to 71 to see what we mean.
Nah, totally different. Guess it's one of those "your ears have to be tuned to it" kinda deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Pretty much yeah, fast metal stuff with lots of solos. That's totally MUSHA and TFIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath