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Thanks. Here is another. http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...nd-32-x/page14
If you feel like I went off topic (or whatever your reason was to make this thread) then ask Joe or Melf to put the posts in here and take them out of project y thread or others.
Even though I just continued "if project y does have voices, I hope it has clear ones" convo that was there before I even posted in topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHANTOM2040
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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer 03-26-2013, 02:59 PM
Project Y will have better sounding voices (if it has voice) than SSF2.
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Originally Posted by djvectorman
Seemed more on topic than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
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Originally Posted by PHANTOM2040
Overall they are crappy. I don't know why can't we accept that on average Genesis samples were pretty crappy.
When we can count on one hand the number of Genesis games that had both good music and samples playing at the same time it is what is it.
For the most part I agree. *it is, what it is* The music is subjective though, but 25 Genesis (I made a list in one of those op links) games do have clear voices. But listen to sf or mk on snes, they are clearer. Pound for pound the snes voices were clearer it seems. (from the many games I played on both). I don't care the reason why (capcom and probe midway fault, different chips) at the end of the day most say snes had better voices.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboyscowboys
They suggest music was better, but that's subjective. Then again the MD came out in 1988 and had a even older yamaha chip inside, while the snes had a 1991 chip. I'm not trying to bash the genesis voices, but for the most part, overall, they sounded crappy on avg compared to snes. There are exceptions though. The 32 x had voices come out of genesis clear as hell, dynamite h, others. So if I get into another Genesis voices are ALL crap debate, at least now I can show at least 25 examples of how that is wrong, but overall, yeah snes sounded better it seems. Good video the guys showed me here, although I found another. But that is only 1% of Genesis library that sounds very clear.
Listen to what she says at 5:34 to 5:40.
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Jeez calm down buddy...whatever you want. Don't worrry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Because I make threads centered around you then create fakes quotes about you, right ? Ha ha on fake quote though. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by PHANTOM2040
If you think or say so. :pQuote:
I smoke crack
Took a few minutes. You know, the same amount of time you took for post 1. :D I put the videos or more quotes in posts later though.Quote:
so that's why I take ten years to find a bunch of quotes and put a bunch of stuff together that no one cares about.
Because I was only having a conversation on all those pages with my self huh ? :daze:Quote:
Also, that's how I can compare a couple of your negative complaining posts with my 3 pages of offtopic posts.
Mr Anderson, Like what I done with the place ? :cool:Quote:
I can justify having a comment about everything until I over encompass everything recreating the world in my own image.
Genesis sound sucks, according to some perspectives, because other Console, Arcade, and PC hardware from the time had an easier to implement approach to sampled audio. Because of these views most people just will view Genesis audio as inferior and will persist that the SNES and PCE/TG16 was better, even if that doesn't show up in every game. Similarly, most Genesis games actually did have garbled samples due to bad timing or low bitrate or bad compression or all of the above. The explanation doesn't matter, and neither do the games, in these views that pronounce one approach absolutely superior to another.
I hear you, but most voices in games on the snes on avg seemed better overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Just in most peoples experiences who played both systems to death, that was the case. Maybe Sega should have explained how to do it better to other companies or maybe companies should have took more time into it.Quote:
Similarly, most Genesis games actually did have garbled samples due to bad timing or low bitrate or bad compression or all of the above. The explanation doesn't matter, and neither do the games, in these views that pronounce one approach absolutely superior to another.
Yep, like I said, the details don't matter. The fact is Sega sucks.
I wouldn't imply they suck. But I'm not just going to say games on Genesis voice wise sound better than SNES games on avg either just because Genesis was my favorite console ever. Maybe if more than 25 games out of 900 had very clear voices, this wouldn't be an issue. Not sure if you saw my other post, but do you have the sf2 beta rom that I guess sounds better ?
"Maybe Sega should have explained how to do it better to other companies or maybe (3rd party) companies should have took more time into it."
Sorry but these companies not sharing information seems odd. Give the proper dev kit, tools, info, tricks, etc.
Nah, Sega sucks because (insert political hearsay and techno-babble here) Company X did one thing better. That is the argument is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
If all genesis games had voices with the quality of Dynamite Headdy and Yu Yu hakusho, nobody would complain.
I think the problem is much more base than that. If Street Fighter II on Genesis had normal Genesis quality voices, not just samples, voices alone, nobody would complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
No the thing is the SNES games had better voices on avg. That don't mean Sega sucks or Genesis sucks or anything like that at all. And I was a huge Sega fan in 90s. Just because most of the voices didn't sound good, or anything else SNES seemed to do better, that don't mean I take it personal or be sarcastic because it doesn't show the Genesis with a halo over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
Yeah if sf2 had better voices, most wouldn't complain about this issue as much or point it out more I agree and it was a huge game and some had it both for snes and md but when people heard md play "jaekplannnnnnaan" most muted their tvs. That's why I said companies should have done better. But 1% of your library not sounding clear with voices don't help. How many of the 900 or so Genesis games have very very clear voices. What 10 to 20 ? Regardless, the games reflected and it earned it's rep. I may be capable of hitting 100 3 pointers in a row, but if I make 1 out of a 100 then people correctly will say I sucked that day.
I haven't counted the entire Genesis and MD library ever, repetition makes my mind go away. I guess in this instance what I would be most interested to see is what percentage of the Genesis/MD library has any "voice" samples at all. Only then would I want to know what percentage of those voice samples were half the bitrate or sample rate or poorly timed compared only to older or current hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
That would include the SNES of course, because we love to give Nintendo special exceptions. ;)
I'm not giving Nintendo or SNES any special exceptions and I stated it's chip and the system itself came well after Genesis. Point is, they are the same generation and people compare them, people have ears and notice voices (in any kind of capacity) coming out of snes better than mds in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheath
"As a result I have never heard a Snes game sound as clean and clear as a Genesis game (voice samples aside )."
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...and-weaknesses
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347626
On and on, but history is history.
Well 25 or so have great to good voices for md. How many have horrible voices ? I don't know exact number. But there are youtube videos showing examples. Anybody want to list the SNES ones ? So far sf and mk sound clearer on snes. Or let's just type dynamite and alien soldier over 2 snes ones. Okay, What's next.
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MD great to Avg voices that I know of :
01 Space Harrier II
02 Altered Beast
03 Revenge of Shinobi
04 Strider
05 Crack Down
06 Eswat
07 Super Monaco GP ?
08 NFL Sportstalk 94
09 TJ&E
10 Streets of Rage series particularly.
11 Rolling Thunder 2
12 Dynamite H
13 WeaponLord
14 Shinobi 3
15 Strider Returns
16 Alien Soldier
17 Sega logo/voice screen (not a game but let's put everything we can on this list) or Mario64 (posthumous game)
18 Mega T
19 Task Force
20 VF2
MD Below Avg to Bad voices that I know of :
01 SF2 CE
02 Trouble Shooter
03 Thunderforce IV
04 Alien Storm
05 Granada
06 SSF2
07 Phelios
08 Crackdown ("crackdown" voice itself sounds crummy)
09 NBA Live 96
10 Fifa
11 Lakers vs Celtics
12 EC (trident blade slash)
13 Can someone finish this list ?
14 Awesome (O)Possum
15 Madden
16 Action52
17 High Impact
18 J Park
19 Tec Toy games
20 MKs to snes versions
21 Golden Axe II screams
22 Afterburner II
23
http://forums.sega.com/showthread.ph...d-Capabilities
The bottom paragraph says it all.
http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot....-sound-on.html
To be fair, how many SNES games have good voices too? Certainly not SF2, they're all cut up to hell.
You gotta look at the percentage of good voices in the total amount of games *with* voices, not the entire library, as not all games have voices.
Also the voices in UMK3 sound a lot better on the genesis. The SNES voices sound like every character is being stuffed with a pillow underwater.
I knew this thread was the SNES fault. I knew it!
I asked the same thing above basically.Quote:
Kamahl
To be fair, how many SNES games have good voices too?
The voices in the SF series on snes are better than md. Next.Quote:
Certainly not SF2, they're all cut up to hell.
I read that point when sheath typed it before. Then I did. The md games I listed have voices. Like I said, who wants to write the snes lists ? So 49% of those I listed have avg to great sound. People can add more games to the lists and figure a final % if they want.Quote:
You gotta look at the percentage of good voices in the total amount of games *with* voices, not the entire library, as not all games have voices.
What about the other games in the mk series where they sounded like they are coming out a broken casio keyboard on md ?Quote:
Also the voices in UMK3 sound a lot better on the genesis. The SNES voices sound like every character is being stuffed with a pillow underwater.
"tdooooeeeaasskkkyyyyyy" - md
"toasty" - snes
No it's the fault of somebody who thought about me too much. It really doesn't have to do with snes, I was speaking on the md voice quality by itself in those links as well. Because If there are project y voices I hoped they sound clear and not like sf2 either.Quote:
Originally Posted by old man
Different developers, "toasty" sounds perfect on UMK3Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Yeah I saw that typed here many times probe this that midway, but regardless, we are talking how it sounded. Not who did what, or didn't, or dev kit or tools or info not shared, should of would of capable or not, just the outcome then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Yeah you typed UMK3 twice, I see. "What about the other games in the mk series?". How is this a debate, the sf and mk series overall has better voices on snes. I made a list above, if you want to compare games, type some snes ones I typed over 40 md ones. I said what I had to say, now I'm just repeating myself. Argue with the OP he made the thread (to see us debate it to death). Just quote and alter my md lists then post snes lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Well, i'm not gonna play a bunch of snes games to find ones bad voices specifically (since PCM based hardware makes "good voices" the default), but I remember the voices in Wayne's world are horrible, I actually prefer the genesis ones. Grainier but a lot more clear too. There's quite a few examples like that. Earthworm Jim 1 is another (it flipped in 2, with the SNES now having the better ones). "It starts..." on the lion king sounds much better on the genesis, much clearer. The voices in Mickey Mania are also way better on the genesis, way way better.
Okay cool, if people want to dissect it they can. You can quote my list and make any adjustments then make a comparative snes list if you want, that is fine. Sounds like you got some good examples of md voices > snes.
Way too lazy for that. Plus there's really no point. The SNES had better voices overall, no contest. It's just that the whole "the genesis sucks at making voices" thing is a myth. It's just hard to program since the DAC must be fed manually by the programmer without relying on any timer (meaning cycle accurate code, stuff that was common on the C64, but not on a freaking 16bit system), and too many programmers at the time didn't really know how to pull it off, specially not while worrying about FM at the same time (which is why the music stops in altered beast and TF 4).Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
That is all I suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
Who said that though ?Quote:
It's just that the whole "the genesis sucks at making voices" thing is a myth.
Okay, so why didn't companies share info on how to do it ? Like did Sega properly explain it ?Quote:
It's just hard to program since the DAC must be fed manually by the programmer without relying on any timer (meaning cycle accurate code, stuff that was common on the C64, but not on a freaking 16bit system), and too many programmers at the time didn't really know how to pull it off
Okay.Quote:
specially not while worrying about FM at the same time (which is why the music stops in altered beast and TF 4).
Yeah I never said all md voices are bad (not saying you did) because I know there are gems, and I know there are great scores on md too, and music is subjective, so I never said md simply sounds like crap (voices + music + effects). Just the voices on snes for the most part sound better on avg, which it seems we all agree. But maybe we can show it's not that overwhelming. Hopefully there are some here who know off the top of their head 20 md and 20 snes or more great voice sounding games.
MD Games-------------------------------------SNES
Let's focus on what is up to par or better with what people say about SNES voices and vice versa.
MD--------------------------------------------SNES
01 Space Harrier II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???
02 Altered Beast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???
03 Revenge of Shinobi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???
04 Strider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???
05 UMK3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UMK3
06 Eswat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
07 Super Monaco GP ?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
08 NFL Sportstalk 94 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
09 TJ&E >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
10 Streets of Rage series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
11 Rolling Thunder 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
12 Dynamite H (great voices)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
13 WeaponLord >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
14 Shinobi 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
15 Strider Returns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
16 Alien Soldier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
17 Sega intro or Mario64 (posthumous game)>>>
18 Mega T (great voices)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
19 Task Force >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
20 VF2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
21 SF2 series <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SF2 series
22 Waynes World (while bad)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waynes World
23 Earthworm Jim 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earthworm Jim 1
24 Lion King >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lion King
25 Mickey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickey
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Crack kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Are you a girl ? It seems you put your finger in your cunt in the project y thread, then rubbed your pussy when you made this thread, now you are dripping with these responses. I'm just sitting back and enjoying watching you do this to yourself. Anything else honey ? Hold on, I got some crack to smoke.
Please fag, don't displace your anger on me after you cut your inner asshole tissue with your thumb nail. Now your doing 2 kind of crack. We all know your being so anal about your ten million posts and multiquotes because of your constant asshole vibrations. Any thing to take the focus off of them, right? Those vibrations won't go away with your thumb. Neither will they from punishing your asshole by cutting it with your thumbnail. You're just gay. Accept it now instead of being destructive over yourself. Look at the guys from the Big Bang Theory. They are doing just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
Wow, is this necessary? Take it to PMs.
This is a perma-ban worthy post if ever there was one. Not that djvectorman's isn't also disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHANTOM2040
I thought trolling other members was against the forum rules anyway, much less being obscene and offensive.
Itchy trigger finger again? Wow dude, you have anger management issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by djvectorman
No, it's just obvious by reading his posts, post 1 (reason why he made this thread), his fake quote of me, his "your on crack" comments the dude is too focused on me. Besides pathetic, it's weird. So I responded. I find it funny I saw him hovering in thread for 30 minutes last night after I wrote my is he a girl comment, but he didn't say shit until today and decides to finally post something.Quote:
Originally Posted by evildragon
No, I'm just direct. I directly addressed the situation in post 2 then responded to his nonsense in post 6 and 30. I reacted to his actions. Or didn't you read any of his posts ? Any more stupid assumptions on people you never met or know nothing about ? Still have that grudge, is that why you couldn't help say something here ? Oh well.Quote:
Wow dude, you have anger management issues.
Who made the thread and who initiated the insults ? Who is making fake quotes of me ? Who keeps lying about me ? It's not rocket science, I was reacting to his actions (which are obvious). I have no reason to PM people like that. Nice infraction to me, now read my reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
This guy mentioned I somehow care about my posts. I don't care if I got 10 posts or 500 here, what is that guy talking about ? I'm sure his trolling of me is okay though right ? Yeah, all my fault huh ? Go ahead, reduce my posts from 500 to 10, I could fucking care less. So again phantom, wrong.
:pop::blah:
Words or actions, your choice. Don't see nobody knocking on my door, so yeah it's words.
Want to type shit, I'll react.
Want to fight, come to my house.
If that is what you meant. I'm eating popcorn too, look at how emotional everybody is just because I'm defending/reacting against this guy.
You both are going at it.