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just read this recent article from 1up about how they think Sega can grace Sonic with awesome games like when he was on Genesis. It's an interesting read, and I'm curious what everyone here makes of the article and the claims made in it.
I pretty much agree with everything there. The only Sonic game I've played since the good old days (I feel old...:() is Sonic Heroes. I got about 30 seconds into the first stage and I stopped. Thus I'd like to add that Sonic and co. should never, ever, EVER be given voices. Ever. I still wake up and hear Tails helium filled voice. :confused:
They can't. Well they can, but it involves a lot:
1. Drop all of the characters. It's about Sonic, not some random anime-inspired character When the cartoon was on, it is FACT that it lost out to Power Rangers in the ratings. Well, not only because it was complete garbage, but it was not the same. Wait, sonic has a plot now?! And no shit, I'd rather watch Power Rangers than watch that fuckstick japanimation adventure, and I did watch Power Rangers over Sonic's retarted cartoon.
2. Kill of Shadow... Metal Sonic is enough.
3. Drop the adventure shit. When I played Sonic Adventure for the first time, I about wet myself... it was fun and I had no problems with the wacky camera. But I did have a problem when the action stages ended, and the game became all slow because you had to do exploring to find the next action stage. This is Sonic, not Mario where it is OK to go slow. If I wanted the adventure stuff, I'd play Final Fantasy.
4. The game is about a fucking rodent who kicks some ass and goes at warp speed, not a dude who goes around to save some princess.
5. I can't stop swearing. Sega's fallen victim to the corporate machine... like EA. Which means they MUST pump out a new game every year/six months, or the share holders will get pissed.
Saving Sonic is easy, a couple of rings or a body shield usually does the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodger
With a memory card, or battery if it's Sonic 3.
heh, well who needs saving when ya have the level select code in sonic 1 ;)
I'm really curious to see how sonic and the secret rings pans out. I was excited for the game at first, lost interest, got interest back in it again, and then became weary when I read how the controls work. But hey, maybe Sega can pull it off. Not too much longer till wii owners (in the states at least) get to give it a try when it is released.
putting all my hopes into sonic and the secret rings. i really hope it provides a good experience as ive been waiting for a good sonic game for what feels like ten years now
Sonic makes out with a human girl?
WTF kind of bestiality agenda is Sonic Team trying to push? :shock: :shame:
I can't say I find any of their points to be wrong.
Bu i 110% agree that Sonic needs to ditch the baggage of the 87 million other characters that have since been created.
I'm not getting my hopes up too much about Secret Rings, but the previews and beta testers seem to be giving it a resounding thumbs up. In my opinion Secret Rings is how you make Sonic relevant again, but I'm not sure if Sega can do anything right anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodger
I think Sega needs to die once.
They're rotten and diseased. Last good sonic games were done on Nintendo portables and were outsourced.
Sega's fallen subject to enropy and must return to the earth and be reborn or have their makup be incorporated into other entities.
Well, that or they could BUY THOSE COMPANIES AND USE THE TEMPORARY LOSS TO INCREASE THEIR LONG TERM PROFITS!
Oh...ewww. I just had a Howard The Duck flashback.:shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by dark & long
All my "Howard the Duck" flashbacks involve Lea Thompson and only Lea Thompson. :yum:
Problem is, when I flashback to Howard the Duck I wind up thinking about the principal from Ferris Bueller, which then makes me think of Godzilla.
That said, I agreed with everything mentioned in the article when I read it last night. Maybe Sonic and the Secret Rings will be a step on the right track for Sega.
This past generation, the only titles I really liked were Sonic Adventure (aside from Big the Cat and E102), Sonic Heroes (great after you get over the learning curve, which takes almost an hour), and Sonic Advance 3 (1&2 were so unpolished).
But yeah, since Naka became a member of Sega's board of Directors he hasn't seen any hands-on involvement in the series. Plus all the original members of Sonic Team (from the 90s) either left SEGA or went to other teams. So it's not suprising that the franchise lost it's spark.
EDIT: Just read the article.
I agree on most points.
EXCEPT for the part about speed (specifically the way they stated it).
While it is essential to the experience, it should be more than just simple stupid fun.
I say eliminate the pitfalls and create a simple-person's level when you fall to the ground.
Reward the player for using speed and reflexes to navigate levels well and find those wall running opportunities as was done in the first Sonic Adventure.
I like having to TRY in order to get through a level.
Which is part of what makes Sonic 1 and Sonic Advance 1 a bit bothersome for me (run run run and jump occasionally).
Exploration is great when done right
I think even Sonic Adventure was not a great game. It looked impressive, but gameplaywise it was boring. So I think Sega should finally bury the franchise, it just doesn´t work anymore.
Sonic Adventure was a good game. It was Sonic Adventure 2 that made the baby Jesus cry. I have not bought a Sonic game since Adventure 2 and have lost all interest in the series. The article had some great points, but Sega are never going to carry them out. This post has got me in the mood for some Sonic the Hedgehog (specifically the Spring Yard Zone).
I did not like Sonic Adventure at all. It was eye candy, but you didnīt have to do much yourself too often. You just run, run and run and everything else seems to happen by itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Smith
I admit there was little exploring to do, however, I enjoyed the eye candy, the storyline was good, the levels were varied, the boss fights were amazing and after many years without Sonic I guess I was just glad to have him back.
This was one of my problems with SA2, what with those damn rails and ramps.Quote:
Originally Posted by 108 Stars
They effectively destroyed the Sonic/Shadow parts of the game, exasperating the problem posed by the other game-types.
Sonic Adventure and Sonic Heroes actually required some finesse to fully enjoy and explore the levels. It was fun too. . .particularly when you tried to figure out how to improvise and find shortcuts using speed (just as was in the 16 bit titles).
How complex should things have been in Sonic Adventure?
That would have slowed things down (as SA2's Scavenger-hunt levels did).
It should allow for stupid fun via speed, but also leave the door open for something more complex should you actually sit down with the title and try to play better.
People should stop telling SEGA what to do. No good ever comes of it, and you'll only complain in the end anyway.
Sonic doesn't need saving. Franchises change, that's the thing that most gamers have trouble accepting. And I think that Sonic has evolved to a state where the games could be quite good if they were better polished.
And if you must drop the other characters you may do so, but you might want to consider that Knuckles and especially Tails aren't quite out of place.
Oh,and while I really like Sonic Advance, I've played through 80% of a level without touching the controls. WHOOOSH.
WHAT????
I liked the Sonic cartoon, but I admit it is stupid that everyone tags along with Sonic now. In Sonic Heros they have Knuckles instantly following Sonic when Knuckles is suppose to be guarding the Master Emerald (at least they have an excuse in Sonic Adventure 1&2 for Knuckles leaving Angel Island).Quote:
Originally Posted by David J.
Didn't he die in Sonic Adventure 2? No wait lazy writing brought him back to life.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J.
They did fix that in Sonic Adventure 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J.
How about viewing Sonic games like James Bond movies - they're all seperate universes with the barest filaments of continuity linking them?
Suspension of disbelief goes a long way. I have NO PROBLEM believing that the same man can look like six distinct people and remain 35 years old since 1963. And I also have no problem believing the Sonic and Robotnik from Sonic 1 can be the Sonic and Eggman from StH360. I mean, why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elusive
FYI, Roger Moore was 58 in A View to a Kill. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash1087
Sounds more like Dr. Who than James BondQuote:
Originally Posted by Flash1087
"View to a Kill" = shit. Beyond "Moonraker" bad....its just horrible.
Roger Moore is awesome at any age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebbe
LA LA LA RAPING MY CHILDHOOD I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA why can't it be 1991 again LA LA LA why does sega hate Sonic LA LA LA LA LAAAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Flash1087
I believe Sonic should never have made the transition to 3D. i recently played a demo for Sonic the Hedgehog for the Xbox 360 and it totally sucked. I hate the camera in that game.
So I believe the gist of this topic, thus far, is that James Bond is far superior to Sonic the Hedgehog.
Psy, there's a good chance I won't even play Sonic Adventure 2 anytime soon, if ever. Sorry, I'm not a big Dreamcast fan, and thanks to Sonic Adventure, an even smaller Sonic fan. I will admit the classic Sonic games on the Genesis where the most, and are for me... addictive and the perfect pick up and play game.
I didn't think Sonic Heroes was complete shit, but it was pretty boring.
James Bond is superior to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Smith
Except "View to a Kill", "Octopussy" "Moonraker" and "Diamonds are Forever".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Smith