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06-02-2013, 03:04 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

In North America US, Nintendo went from selling 23.5 million or so Super Nintendos (or was that the number for all of the Americas?), to selling a bit over 20 million N64s in North America alone. That's not a "complete and utter sharp nose dive" by any stretch of the imagination; quite the opposite, it's solid, decent sales. Could have been better, and it is true that Sony sold about twice as much in the US, but still, solid numbers. We (here in the US) bought N64s, enough to give Nintendo about a third of the market. It's everyone elses' fault that worldwide the N64 was far behind the PS1. :)

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We North Americans also bought Playstations though. A lot more Playstations.

Without North America, the N64 would have bombed.
06-02-2013, 03:18 PM
A Black Falcon

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Originally Posted by gamevet

We North Americans also bought Playstations though. A lot more Playstations.

Without North America, the N64 would have bombed.

30-something percent of the market isn't bad. Quite decent. And in absolute numbers, it was only a very slight decline from the SNES (23 to 20 million). It was the Gamecube where North America saw the big collapse (going from 20 to 12 million), and even then the GC still sold 2/3rds of its worldwide total in North America, just like the N64 had, and was still a profitable system, if not quite as profitable as the N64 had been.
06-02-2013, 03:33 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

30-something percent of the market isn't bad. Quite decent. And in absolute numbers, it was only a very slight decline from the SNES (23 to 20 million). It was the Gamecube where North America saw the big collapse (going from 20 to 12 million), and even then the GC still sold 2/3rds of its worldwide total in North America, just like the N64 had, and was still a profitable system, if not quite as profitable as the N64 had been.

But that's just one region. World-wide the N64 and GC were somewhat flops, without the sales from North America. The SNES was successful in all regions.
06-02-2013, 03:37 PM
Drakon

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Originally Posted by DJ_Convoy

Here's a probably actually "controversial" opinion.

Here goes.

Final Fantasy VII is VASTLY overrated. I've never cared for it (and this is a person speaking who was convinced to buy a Playstation by playing FF Tactics and Parasite Eve) and I don't understand why it has all of the spin offs and what not.

I agree ff7 sucks. I remember being so excited about it too after the amazingness which is known as ff6.

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

i liked ff 7 when i first played it these days im just bored by it

ff 7 has all the spin offs because its so popular and its so popular because for many people it was their first rpg
so its just nostalgia talking really

( my first rpg was secret of mana if wondering )

That's a fantastic start, my first rpg was ff4, which is another major win.

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

On a Final Fantasy note, why do so many people act like the opera house scene in FFVI is some epic achievement for gaming? There's nothing special about it.

I think it's overrated but I still like it, adds a new type of "role playing" aspect.
06-02-2013, 04:19 PM
NeoZeedeater

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

from what i understand its because its an integral part of both story and game play
the story plays out while you are a part off it you are not a spectator watching a melodramatic cutscene you cant skip but your playing an interactive part in the story

Yeah, but mixing story and gameplay in interesting ways was already a long tradition in the adventure genre. It might have seemed like a fresh concept for a lot of SNES-only kids with the game as their first RPG, though.
06-02-2013, 04:21 PM
Kamahl

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Yeah, but mixing story and gameplay in interesting ways was already a long tradition in the adventure genre. It might have seemed like a fresh concept for a lot of SNES-only kids with the game as their first RPG, though.

That's probably it.
06-02-2013, 04:27 PM
A Black Falcon

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Originally Posted by gamevet

But that's just one region. World-wide the N64 and GC were somewhat flops, without the sales from North America. The SNES was successful in all regions.

You can't just leave out regions just because you want to distort the picture of how successful a system was... that's not how it works.

And again, both systems were profitable. For a business, that is an important factor. Like, the Atari 7800 was profitable, while the Jaguar wasn't... that does matter.
06-02-2013, 04:41 PM
MrSega

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

On the second point, no, the Jaguar is also cartridge based.
On the third point, no, going by sales, the SNES started the "decline" for Nintendo. Remember that the NES blew away the competition with a massive win, while the with the SNES all it could manage was to edge out a narrow victory by the end of the generation. The Wii was the first Nintendo console to sell better than the one before it.
On the second to last point, the fact that the N64 has good-quality, perspective-correct 3d with some nice effects (triple buffering, anti-aliasing, etc.) is much more important.

The two biggest problems with N64 were its architectural design(difficult and complex like Saturn) and the fact that it stuck with cartridges which limited space and data.
06-02-2013, 05:00 PM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

You can't just leave out regions just because you want to distort the picture of how successful a system was... that's not how it works.

And again, both systems were profitable. For a business, that is an important factor. Like, the Atari 7800 was profitable, while the Jaguar wasn't... that does matter.

I think you've got it backwards. You're leaving out the rest of the world and concentrating on the success it had in North America only. The overall sales of the Super NES was @ 17.5 million more units than the N64 and 28 million more units more than the Gamecube. The NES only sold about 12 million more units than the SNES though. Considering that a hell of a lot more consoles were sold during the N64 generation, the number is even less impressive.
06-02-2013, 05:25 PM
Rusty Venture

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Originally Posted by DJ_Convoy

Here's a probably actually "controversial" opinion.

Here goes.

Final Fantasy VII is VASTLY overrated.

I'm pretty sure time has made this less opinion, more fact.
06-02-2013, 05:41 PM
Obviously

Yes, maybe 10-13 years ago saying Final Fantasy VII sucks would get you looked at funny but the Internet's judgement on it is pretty harsh these days.
06-02-2013, 05:45 PM
KitsuneNight

it ha sjust aged very badly
the story makes no sense what so ever and is poorly translated as well
i still have no fucking clue what its actually about and it could have done with out sepiroth being al bishie ( it coudl have done with out him at all really )
06-03-2013, 12:35 AM
Drakon

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

it ha sjust aged very badly
the story makes no sense what so ever and is poorly translated as well
i still have no fucking clue what its actually about and it could have done with out sepiroth being al bishie ( it coudl have done with out him at all really )

Sephiroth is the only thing I found interesting in the game. I couldn't have cared less when aerith died, I felt zero attachment to any of the characters. If it were my choice I would have made the entire game you playing as sephiroth and the goal is to rule the world.
06-03-2013, 12:47 AM
sheath

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Originally Posted by Drakon

Sephiroth is the only thing I found interesting in the game. I couldn't have cared less when aerith died, I felt zero attachment to any of the characters. If it were my choice I would have made the entire game you playing as sephiroth and the goal is to rule the world.

What?! How can you not instantly fall in love with this stumpy rag tag group? That's just crazy.
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06-03-2013, 06:52 PM
WarmSignal

- Super obscure consoles are obscure because they were trash.
- The Hell I say with y'all who buy obscure old hardware just because it's obscure.
- Jaguar is an amazingly disappointing piece of crap.
- Nothing SNK is worth the price tag or even close.
- Saturn was mediocre. The name was way cooler than the system.
- The Hell I say with y'all who import Japanese region games, or think importing is the key to making your console worthwhile.
- GameStop is not as bad as all the whiners and moaners make it out to be.
- Nintendo DS is the greatest handheld of all time, though it will likely be surpassed by the 3DS at some point.
- Shin Megami Tensei games are way fanboyed out and overrated.
- A lot of "tactical" games from Japan are soulless, tedious, boring shit. Anyone who says they enjoy these games are simply lying.
- Every SHUMP may as well be the same damn game. Overrated genre.
- People have a stick up their ass when it comes to the smaller "underdog" developers, they take joy in trashing their games, and riding the same repetitive ass game series cock that crank out 10000 installments and DLCs year round instead of really trying something else before trashing it.

And done.

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