Controversial gaming opinions you have

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

The Vectrex
It has its own sharp monitor, a sturdy analog joystick, and comes with smoothest playing Asteroids clone of its time built in. It's pretty amazing for 1982 and still fun today. Even if you don't have access to the real thing, at least try an emulator to get an idea of it.

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One of the most unique video game systems ever created. There is no other consolized vector arcade system. It's sort of a console, but it has so much arcade built in. It is still relevant from a strong following of both console and arcade enthusiasts. The Vectrex also features a constant flow of modern homebrews to add to the original game lineup. Nearly all games are great to pick up and play for short sessions, but are difficult to master for endurance high score runs.

Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 is a masterpiece, hands down the greatest beat 'em up released since the 16-bit era that isn't named Streets of Rage Remake. It's also one of the greatest adaptations of a licensed property to a video game.

Inferior ports of a games are enjoyable, interesting to play, and are worth owning even if a perfect rendition of the original is available. I compare them to music; if you enjoy a particular song you'll also enjoy listening to a live version, remix, cover, demo, and so forth.

Mobile gaming on a phone is a lowest common denominator time waster, the high tech equivalent of drumming your fingers on a steering wheel or reading the ingredients on a shampoo bottle while taking a dump. Comparing it to console gaming is like comparing going to a nice theater versus to watch a movie premier versus staring at an infomercial on TV in a doctor's office waiting room.

Video game journalists who constantly bleat about the lack of diversity in video game characters (race, gender, or sexual orientation) have no grasp of how artistic creativity works (commercial or otherwise) and do so in order to pin their own good-guy badges on and cover up their own prejudices.

The Mark III version of Enduro Racer was an amazing game and is much better than any other 8-bit motorcycle game, other than the SMS/GG version of Road Rash.

Jang Pung 3 is in the top 5 of best games released on the SMS/Mark III.

8 and 16-bit unlicensed developers in the East far outdid the quality of anything released by unlicensed developers in the West.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

Inferior ports of a games are enjoyable, interesting to play, and are worth owning even if a perfect rendition of the original is available. I compare them to music; if you enjoy a particular song you'll also enjoy listening to a live version, remix, cover, demo, and so forth.

Mobile gaming on a phone is a lowest common denominator time waster, the high tech equivalent of drumming your fingers on a steering wheel or reading the ingredients on a shampoo bottle while taking a dump. Comparing it to console gaming is like comparing going to a nice theater versus to watch a movie premier versus staring at an infomercial on TV in a doctor's office waiting room.

Video game journalists who constantly bleat about the lack of diversity in video game characters (race, gender, or sexual orientation) have no grasp of how artistic creativity works (commercial or otherwise) and do so in order to pin their own good-guy badges on and cover up their own prejudices.

8 and 16-bit unlicensed developers in the East far outdid the quality of anything released by unlicensed developers in the West.

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Agreed on these points, though I think it could be said much more of Korean developers than Chinese ones, as they were more likely to do quality original works.

The Neo Geo is terribly overrated - how many versions of the same fucking fighting game do you need? Yes I know there are games from other genres but it seems all of them nearly came out (i.e. not fighting) when the system first came out and after that it was a slow trickle of non-fighting games until it died.

The 32X is more enjoyable than the Sega CD - Yes, the Sega CD has better games I do admit but over the years I have gotten more enjoyment from the 32X than the Sega CD. WTF I know but it's true.

The Dreamcast and Saturn are the most overrated Sega Systems. Even though it makes up the majority of the systems from Sega.... Both are great systems but shut the hell up with "Dreamcast 2" rumors and mockups, come up with something new for a rumor/mockup!

Fan Remakes are bullshit. OK, Streets of Rage Remake is fucking awesome but it boils my balls to see these fans make remakes of games, and some have gotten shutdown before launching/on the internet forever - zelda, carmageddon, chrono trigger etc. That's awesome you want to make a remake, and I won't deny some of you people are talented but why not make a new game in the vain like the old one, or the same genre - with new characters, plot, graphics etc instead of a rehash of the same old shit? There was that fighting game with the horror movie characters - why not make your own characters? I'd much rather see that. Chrono trigger remake? Make your own RPG!

Toki on the Genesis isn't that bad of a game and better than the arcade version.

Kickstarter is fucking retarded, sorry convince me.

Duke Nukem Forever isn't that bad but sure could have been better

This is some I can think of easily...

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Originally Posted by David J.

The 32X is more enjoyable than the Sega CD - Yes, the Sega CD has better games I do admit but over the years I have gotten more enjoyment from the 32X than the Sega CD. WTF I know but it's true.

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It's alright to like both! I wouldn't have it any other way, especially after repairing both my Sega CD and 32X. They're just sweet armaments to my Genesis mech.

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I do like the Sega CD but I've gotten more enjoyment from the 32X even though it is crap. Oh here's some more:

Revenge of Shinobi is better than Shinobi III

F1 Challenge on the Saturn is actually one of the best racers on the system, maybe even better than Sega Rally or Daytona even though it has two three or three tracks.

Lunar Eternal Blue is much, much better than Lunar the Silver Star which is perhaps one of the most overrated RPG's ever.

Dark Savior on the Saturn is one of the best games on the system

The arcade version of ESWAT had a better atmosphere and charm than the Genesis version

Jet Set Radio Future on the Xbox was 1000x better than Jet Grind Radio on the Dreamcast

Sonic Fighters is complete shit

Mortal Kombat Trilogy and Armageddon are the best Mortal Kombat games

SNK is completely overrated and too expensive - sorry now that I think about it some more, there's not much I like on the Neo Geo, and Metal Slug isn't that great of a run n gun.

Sega doesn't need to come back to the console market - seriously, it's done and over with. If they come back, cool, if not... no big loss.

Shenmue is awful as a game, and has a fucking retarded plot - boy avenges fathers death? Yawn. I am sure it is more than that but when the main game is trash, you lost me.

Taito at their best were just as good as Sega back in the day in the arcades

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Originally Posted by David J.

Kickstarter is fucking retarded, sorry convince me.

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It's designed to cut out the middleman (banks, publishers, record labels, etc...). Does a pretty good job at it.

Makes a lot of sense on today's world of computing power abundance, which is counter to our capitalist socieity which necessitates scarcity (that's why you need shit like DRM). It allows the developer/artist to get all the funding he needs to make a project before the project is made, after that piracy is irrelevant.

It has it's bad side (you're making an investment without guarantees) which should be fixed, though I really don't know how.

Teenage mutant ninja turtles (TMNT) games belong in the 8 bit nes world. The two best tmnt games are tmnt 2: the arcade game and tmnt 3: manhatten project for the nes. TMNT in 16 bit and beyond feels funny to me, same thing with megaman games.

Azatoth: Are any of those opinions really all that "controversial" ?

Here's something controversial: I love kickstarter! I'll probably never put a dime into any of the stuff there but I'm still glad it at least exists.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 is a masterpiece, hands down the greatest beat 'em up released since the 16-bit era that isn't named Streets of Rage Remake. It's also one of the greatest adaptations of a licensed property to a video game.

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I wasn't aware of this game until now, added the demo to my download queue. Here's hoping I like it better than Anarchy Reigns, which I still need to give more playtime.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

Inferior ports of a games are enjoyable, interesting to play, and are worth owning even if a perfect rendition of the original is available. I compare them to music; if you enjoy a particular song you'll also enjoy listening to a live version, remix, cover, demo, and so forth.

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Great comparison, I love alternate versions as long as they don't completely screw up the gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

Mobile gaming on a phone is a lowest common denominator time waster, the high tech equivalent of drumming your fingers on a steering wheel or reading the ingredients on a shampoo bottle while taking a dump. Comparing it to console gaming is like comparing going to a nice theater versus to watch a movie premier versus staring at an infomercial on TV in a doctor's office waiting room.

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I'd extend this to mobile gaming in general, even on mainstream portable systems. I started gaming because of After Burner II's middle of the road cabinet with force feed back joystick. I'll play it on my 32X or Saturn with a joystick or flight stick respectively, or After Burner Climax on my 360, all with full surround sound. Putting After Burner on my phone or some other controller sized device just is_not the same thing. Also tapping buttons or D-pads on a device that has the screen screws with my eyes. It's the equivalent of having the TV screen shake and move all the time, that would annoy the crap out of me, why should I ignore it with mobile gaming?

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

The Mark III version of Enduro Racer was an amazing game and is much better than any other 8-bit motorcycle game, other than the SMS/GG version of Road Rash.

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Even the US version of Enduro Racer rocks to no end, I would have only loved it more if they had retained all of the levels.

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Originally Posted by David J.

The Neo Geo is terribly overrated - how many versions of the same fucking fighting game do you need? Yes I know there are games from other genres but it seems all of them nearly came out (i.e. not fighting) when the system first came out and after that it was a slow trickle of non-fighting games until it died.

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Fighters are to the NEO GEO what Space Shooters are to the PC-Engine+CD. That only makes the platforms "overrated" of those genres aren't what you prefer. That said, I have hardly enjoyed any NEO GEO game's I have played. Samurai Shodown 1 is the only game on my favorite game list on the NEO GEO so far, Art of Fighting is close though.

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Originally Posted by David J.

The 32X is more enjoyable than the Sega CD - Yes, the Sega CD has better games I do admit but over the years I have gotten more enjoyment from the 32X than the Sega CD. WTF I know but it's true.

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I think I would have to say the same. The 32X has a better Action-Arcade library in its short six months of releases than the Sega CD got. Sega CD, outside of its ~20% FMV library, is mostly ports of other console's games. Even though these ports are usually in superior or best form, they aren't Action-Arcade titles. That said, from 1993 on I prefer the Sega CD over the Genesis or SNES or PCE/TG16+CD for same year releases. I also chose to collect primarily for the Sega CD and 32X far more than for the Saturn or PS1 from 1995 onward, and I prefer the former two's libraries to the later at least through 1996.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Another controversial opinion - here are some things from the '80s and '90s you should have played if you want your opinions on gaming history to matter:

3d Atari Lynx games
Stuff like Blue Lightning and STUN Runner.

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I will never sell my Lynx due to games like these. I'm pretty sure the Lynx doesn't have scaling capabilities, they just did a good job with pre-rendered sprite transitions, but these games rock. Most Lynx games do actually. I just wish that the Lynx had a video out like the Nomad does so I can actually enjoy the library.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

The Vectrex
It has its own sharp monitor, a sturdy analog joystick, and comes with smoothest playing Asteroids clone of its time built in. It's pretty amazing for 1982 and still fun today. Even if you don't have access to the real thing, at least try an emulator to get an idea of it.

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Best playing Asteroids makes this one extremely tempting, but I have never played it. In 1982 I was playing games on a Kaypro with ASCII characters for graphics.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Space Megaforce
A contender for Compile's best shooter. It especially stands out on SNES given the system isn't as highly regarded for the genre by hardcore gamers as the Turbo and Genesis.

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Played it, didn't catch on with me. Robo Aleste didn't either though and I can't stand Raiden Trad, so it might not be my genre. Beats the hell out of D-Force, but I feel like I'm playing a very slightly upgraded Power Strike in "Super" Aleste.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap
An action-adventure masterpiece with a lot of gameplay and scenery variety. It would be ridiculous to analyze the NES/7800/SMS gen without having played it but a lot of people do.

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This should have replaced Zelda II for me back in the day or at some point along the way. This is another game I haven't spent enough time with since I snagged it, but one of the few that I actually liked what I played and intended to keep playing.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

SunDog: Frozen Legacy
Elite hogs the attention for early sandbox space exploration but this was more advanced in a lot of ways, particularly the ST version. You could exit your vehicle to walk around, and the drag-and-drop interface was ahead of its time. I wouldn't expect most people to want to play through it but I think it should at least be tried.

Lazy Jones
In 1984, this was like a history of action video games up to that point rolled into one package. It was a large selection of mini-games tied together, and with one of the most complex and memorable soundtracks available.

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I've never even heard of these, there goes my credibility. Lazy Jones must be something I look into now for sure. I've wanted to play Elite since I saw it on a buddies Amiga in the early 90s, SunDog goes on my need to play list as well. I really wish somebody would make a decent emulator for these systems.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Kenseiden
One of the deepest and most well crafted action platformers of it time rewarding exploration with optional moves and character upgrades to discover and train for.

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Yup, and it is a shame it was never on shelves at my local Toys R Us in San Antonio or I would have discovered it back before I picked up my Genesis. Great awesome game. I also don't get why people hate Lord of the Sword, it seems like a great precursor to the MetroidVania style games.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Tron Deadly Discs
One of the earliest licensed games developed in tandem with a movie, and it's still a contender for best one (Intellivision version).

Ultima Underworld
Arguably the most ambitious spin off game ever. It was the start of the Looking Glass Studios tradition of first-person 3d simulations that encouraged players to solve problems creatively instead of having just having one or two solutions available.

Suzuki Bakuhatsu
Because it's wacky Japanese bomb diffusing and just might be the coolest puzzle game of the 32-bit era along with No One Can Stop Mr. Domino.

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Never played or heard of any of these, and have never played the Intellivision. There goes my credibility again!

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Pitfall II: Lost Caverns
Both a testament to how far the old VCS hardware could be pushed and also a landmark title for platform-adventures.

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Freaking great game, I've often wondered if Super Pitfall on NES could possibly be as good. I need to try both out and see.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Neo Geo Pocket Fighters
It felt like it took forever for portable fighting games to really hit their stride but they finally did on NGP. Match of the Millenium's especially awesome.

Planescape: Torment
A sacred cow for PC gamers but ignored by plenty of console gamers that unfairly dismiss it as just another D&D game.

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More unplayed games to discredit me! Dammit. Well, at least they are on platforms I have never had access to.

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

Crush pinball series
Alien Crush was a huge leap forward for video pinball, Devil's Crush expanded the concept with more variety, and Jaki Crush is also worth checking out.

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I've never been a fan of Pinball in general but I like these games. I wish I could pick up Devil's Crush for less than the current asking price though.

Real Bout Fatal Fury Special is my favorite fighter, and so far my overall favorite game on the neo geo. Try it.

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Originally Posted by sheath

I'm pretty sure the Lynx doesn't have scaling capabilities, they just did a good job with pre-rendered sprite transitions.

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Nah it does really have a scaling chip, in fact it's better than the Neo Geo one since it can actually scale, not just shrink, and do a perspective effect too. Way ahead of it's time. Another awesome feature are indirect palettes or pens. The system only has one 16/4096 palette, but you can reuse the same sprite data and point it at different colors. A very nice compromise.

EDIT: This was done with a single 1 pixel sprite and no raster effects:
http://atarilynxdeveloper.files.word...ng?w=144&h=105

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Originally Posted by AlecRob

Real Bout Fatal Fury Special is my favorite fighter, and so far my overall favorite game on the neo geo. Try it.

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You're probably saying this because 1: You own this game and 2: You haven't played most of the neo geo library.

*edit* although watching gameplay footage of it the game does look fun.

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Originally Posted by Drakon

You're probably saying this because 1: You own this game and 2: You haven't played most of the neo geo library.

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I've played other fighters and other types of games on the neo geo in the arcades, and I own RBS because it is my favorite. I currently have the NGCD version and plan to get the AES version soon. Yes I haven't played every single neo game but our of all the ones I have played, RBS continues to be my favorite.

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Originally Posted by Drakon

*edit* although watching gameplay footage of it the game does look fun.

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It is fun, but its too slow for me compared to KOF or even Fatal Fury Special.

nice sprites though, very colorful and detailed.

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Originally Posted by NeoVamp

It is fun, but its too slow for me compared to KOF or even Fatal Fury Special.

nice sprites though, very colorful and detailed.

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I hate 2d fighting games where you can jump into the background like that. I never liked that concept until polygon fighters because until that point it's kind of difficult to tell if you're in the foreground or background.