That's obvious from the show. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drakon
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That's obvious from the show. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drakon
What made Beast Wars pretty good was the focus on character development which is practically non-existent in G1. It was still silly but all of Transformers is silly. You have to be prepared to handle a certain level of silly if you're going to watch anything about the Transformers.
I've never been a huge Transformers fan which is funny because I'm such a mecha nut. I gravitated more towards Robotech and a few other anime shows that made it to the US like Voltron and The New Adventures of Gigantor. I guess I always liked the idea of piloted robots more than sentient ones.
I admit that I honestly never liked G1. You've really got to have nostalgia for it to seriously like it and I just don't have any (talking about the cartoons here I liked a lot of the comics). I feel this way about a lot of 80's toy cartoons in retrospect and let's be honest, a lot of them were pretty bad in retrospect. I used to have this really awesome G1 toy box though that featured a huge space battle on it. I probably stared at that art more than I watched the actual show. My friends and I would have our Transformer, GI Joe and He-Man toys battle it out using that toybox as a battle-scene. Good memories.
I watched it a little more when G2 came around and got slightly fuzzier feelings for it I guess, and later Beast Wars. Once Beast Machines started I stopped giving a damn about Transformers all together.
I do own Transformers the Movie on DVD though, which I love because it's like a montage of everything that was radical about the 80's and full of unintentional hilarity.
This has been a good nostalgic thread derail.
Yes, a lot of stuff from the 80s were just bad. It is interesting how memories can end up being so different from when you were a kid. I think children aren't as critical or specific of the enjoyment of things as adults are. For me, Transformers is separate from other 80s franchises (with exception of GIJoe and Gobots) because I never left it. Well, tbh I did take a good 2-3 year break before getting back in it in 2007. But the other shows I enjoyed just do not hold up. I still remember when Hulu announced it had put up Bravestarr episodes. I remembered loving that show as a kid. Then I watched an episode and it was absolutely the worst cartoon I'd ever seen! Later I had found that all my (remaining) early memories of Bravestarr consisted of mostly the intro sequence, toy commercials and bits and peices of other cartoons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obviously
Which reminds me of something that was once brought up on a TF forum some years back, the false memory problem. Even for myself, prior to the Bravestarr example, I had recalled seeing a G1 episode and didn't know which one it was. After I finally had gotten all the DVDs, I had the realization that the episode I remembered never existed! Instead (from what I can tell) it is a mixed up memory of a Season 3 episode (Dark Awakening) and portions of other shows and probably commercials. I wasn't the only one who had this problem. In fact, some people are very stubborn about their memories being actually true and not false memories. A popular example is that many people remember that after Optimus Prime died in TFTM (spoilers!) and turned black, that he turned to dust and blew away. That never happened, never was in any of the scripts, but people will still say that it happened. The same thing happened with the toys too, where people recall the toys being bigger than they really were, etc.
Oh and if that toy box is the one I'm thinking of, I used to have it... and have its replacement coming in the mail!
To me, as a kid, there was nothing cooler than the G1 Transformers. That and G1 Joe, just magic.
I loved the toys, found the shows boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by evilevoix
I've heard of that too... Why the hell do so many people remember it that specific way when it never happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripredacus
Sounds more like Starscream's death scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalwario64
Me thinks people are getting their scenes mixed up.
I was absutely part of those wars. They were crazy on Neo-geo.com they would argue with a wall for being the wrong color.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cornholio857
What forums was that? The only Transformers forums I ever go to is Bigbot.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripredacus
Bigbot was one, Allspark, and TFans were the big players. It started because all the board had factions and people banded up. Some faction leaders got banned and started up other boards like Praxus. Then it was a series of invasions and all out forum wars amongst a bunch of boards. I've been meaning to put together a better history of those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
The only transformers site I recall is "they are among us" (something like that). An Aussie site, it was good for finding out the cheapest places toget stuff but bugger me that was a long time ago.
Only have a few tf toys as they are expensive here. I did replace my childhood G1 Prowl with the anniversary one though as that was important for me as my folks got it for me. I do like my mp3 Soundwave! I have considered getting some Chinese copies but not sure.
I do prefer the G1 cartoon, i watched a few beast wars but couldn't get into it.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripredacus
More like hilarious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Venture
I can see them now, invading each others forum, shouting.. FOR CYBERTRON!
http://ravnerdwars.info/wp-content/u.../nerd-wars.jpg
And yes.. I believe that's Eddie Spruce.
I missed this earlier. Could you expand on this? I'd love to hear more.Quote:
Originally Posted by evilevoix
The Aero Fighters 3 AES one is the biggest one that comes to mind. Also there's some dude in France selling other fakes on Ebay I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I need a bootleg of Samurai Shodown Special because the original is waaaaaay too expensive, but alas the pirates fucked up,
they bootlegged the home version (AES) into an MVS shell, and not only is the AES version censored they even bootlegged the version that got a "fix"
but with "fix" they meant CENSOR IT EVEN MORE!
Silly pirates, gimme my uncensored MVS rom edition!
.....and I get banned for calling basement dwelling nerds. I mean I was hard on the virgins but I didn't fleece them of thousands of dollars and lie about it. Those guys are nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripredacus
I'm pretty sure my original comment was pretty spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoVamp
I can see debating on the internet (which walks a fine line), but purposely and maliciously raiding forums is energy better suited to actual productive things.
Yeah, but Beast Wars was complete shit. I remember my brother in law (7 or 8 at the time) watching it and me thinking.. wtf is this!?!? That said, beast wars is crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitsuneNight
I still don't trust Kitsune's "most tf fans" numbers. Citation needed. :p
Just search for "Tonk". He's the culprit. Made threads that he knew some SNK BIG WIGS!!! THEY FOUND SOME RARE US TITLES FOR ONLY $10,000 AND UP. Search it goes on and on. The war room is hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I have been a member of Bigbot since 2000 but I only have 200 posts so IDK of anything that really goes on that site lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripredacus
No one really complained about Bigbot itself. It was an awesome news site back then, used to be my #1 stop after the original Transfans changed over to just a UK site (I had lost track of it then). The big issues were the mass banning done on Bigbot's forum, Bottalk.com, when Renaud made that deal with Bob Skir and the fans rebelled due to what Skir was doing with the franchise with the Beast Machines story. It was the Transformers first real "You killed my childhood" moment... which I think nowadays that phrase speaks more of the Michael Bay movies, but it was generally the same idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
I have an account there too but haven't been there in years.
I was actually banned from Robotech for having "Sub-Negro as my screen name over there. Some mod said it could be offensive or something. That was after I made over 100 posts. I didn't get noticed until I mentioned something about buying Robotech toys cheaper somewhere other than robotech.com. And some store was selling the MPC's for 20 dollars cheaper.
My 1st ban was here. But no I don't think its all that big a deal.
There are other things in the world you know.
And I did still sign up and visit while on ban-cation.
But now:
how about the tf wiki ?Quote:
Originally Posted by old man
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Beast_Wars
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Beast_Wars:_T..._%28cartoon%29
"Beast Wars: Transformers is a Daytime Emmy award-winning computer-animated television series that premiered on April 22, 1996 in syndication.[1]
Though reviled by many Transformers fans when it first hit the airwaves in 1996, Beast Wars is now considered by many to be among the finest examples of Transformers storytelling."
for actual citations you will have to dig through tf forums though
most tf fans will readilt agree that beast wars is indeed among the finest
Most Transformers fans don't spend their time writing wiki entries or posting in Transformers forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitsuneNight
I'm guessing that most of the internet Beast wars fans never experienced the original franchise while it was current.
Yeah I remember I loved waking up for school and getting to watch Mighty Max, Adventures of sonic the hedgehog, then beast wars.
The original Tf cartoons were good, but beast wars was really cool to me.
Don't really know why though.
Oh yeah now I remember:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26qD35-1I-4
i wouldnt say thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
most G1 tf fans were teenagers when beast wars aired
and it wasnt popular at first it only became popular in hindsight and when it became clear it had very deep ties to G1
also transformers NEVER stopped
it has always been current it has always been an ongoing affair for 29 years now just ( ahem ) transforming it self in to a new iteration every few years or so
G1 became G2
G2 became beast wars
beast wars became beast machines
beast machines became rid
rid became armada
and so on
The only redeeming quality of beast wars was that every other cartoon on television at the time sucked worse.
That was my excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by old man
I wish I could find an animation of Beast War's horrible running animation, I remember seeing that and cracking up!
A friend of mine used to swear by it and would always get furious when I'd mock it.
Never really understood how some people can accept a mediocre presentation like that.
I used to have these 2 friends (brothers) who were both way into Power Rangers when it came out, and remember we were like 16 at the time,
so one day I came over there and he was all happy because he got the PR's movie on VHS, and he was all excited.
while I looked at it and just saw badly dubbed actors in spandex fighting rubber monsters, typical kid's stuff.
I dunno, maybe I expected too much from life back then..
Nothing wrong with Power Rangers though, its just.. it was a show made for people under 12, just like the Pony thing.
MLP may be for girls, but at least its somewhat well written, and even humorous. Power rangers is just so bad its not even funny.. Well bulk and skull were amusing in a "so bad its good"kind of way.
I have more respect for adult men watching Power Rangers then I have for adult men watching MLP.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlecRob
Well written or not its a show about colorful ponies, and which stereotype is always aimed towards girls? yes, horses.
You can just picture how that pitch went in the 80's.
TV exec guy : All these young boys are eating up our Transformers/G.I. Joe cartoons, they are buying tons of merchandise!
TV exec guy 2 : We need a show for young girls, so we can get our hands on their money as well!
TV exec guy 3 : But what do little girls like?
TV exec guy 4 : Don't look at me, I don't know!
TV exec female : Horses.
All TV exec guys : Horses?
TV exec female : Little girls love horses.
TV exec guy 1 : great we'll make a show about horses! what else do they like?
TV exec female : Pretty colors.
TV exec guy 2: Pretty colorful horses, what else?
TV exec female : happy times without violence.
TV exec Boss : Great, cut print publish it! We'll call it "My Little Pony" soon all that precious young girl money will be ours!
25something years later..
TV exec guy : okay we need more money, what can we "reinvent" lol.
TV exec guy 2 : We sill have My Little Pony.
TV exec guy 3 : Great! chicks love ponies!
6 months later..
TV exec guy : I don't get it, ratings for MLP are through the roof but toysales are hideously low, what is wrong?
TV exec female : We did some checking and it turns out the girly cartoon fan base has changed somewhat in the last couple years.
TV exec guy : Then what does the fan base consist of these days????
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/a..._neckbeard.jpg
he looks like he is clopping. lol
I searched on Google "Banned from Sega-16" and saw a few results, one from Neo-Geo.com that I'm not going to quote here. XD
I must spread some reputation around... Lol that's hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoVamp
Somebody please rep.
You know that was pretty interesting.Quote:
I searched on Google "Banned from Sega-16" and saw a few results, one from Neo-Geo.com that I'm not going to quote here. XD
Why go to another forum to talk crap about someone when you can make a new account and say it to them personally?(I will never understand this)
It's not like the real world where when an argument goes wrong you end up fist-fighting.(my favorite way to solve most ass-hat's problems)
Then I seen this little jewel of interest:
Argh I can't find it now.....well it was something like:
"Dr. robotnik has won this round bla blah blah....."
Anyways that's from when this site was down and on other forums some were saying it was a disgruntled recently banned user who hacked the site or some other rumors.
What was the deal with that and what really happened then?....
This one?Quote:
Originally Posted by GameX
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showth...-about-Sega-16
Jibbajabba seems alright to me, but if he dislikes baloo I really don't get why.
I don't think I've ever been to Neo-Geo.com before clicking that link.
I figured it was pointless to visit as I've never owned a Neo-Geo *anything*.