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06-11-2013, 05:30 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by MrSega

Let the weak-ass, underwhelming Wii U continue to fail and I have no interest in a PS4 or Xbox One. (Not paying $400-500 for a console.)

The 8th Generation is just starting. For now, PC for me.

@parallaxscroll. Repped for making a good point.

Sorry, but these games to me are more than enough reason to own a Wii U:
06-11-2013, 05:34 PM
Bottino

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Yet there's a Model 1, Model 2, and Model 3 Arcade machine running their respective Virtua Fighters in the Smithsonian because of how groundbreaking their hardware was.

For when it came out, Virtua Fighter on the Model 1 was pretty ground breaking and amazing looking. Yeah Model 2 was better in 1994 when it got it's full release, but Model 1 was still pretty ground breaking.

Virtua Figther 2 and even Virtua Fighter Remix looked leaps and bounds better than Tekken 1 and Tekken 2.

:rock:

No eletronic machine can be labeled "sexy".
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06-11-2013, 05:48 PM
bultje112

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Originally Posted by Drakon

I never liked consoles that stand up like a tower. A cube is as vertical as I go.

Mmmmmm saturn. The genesis was the definite "arcade at home" system of the late 80s.

then just put it horizontal. my god...
06-11-2013, 05:50 PM
MrSega

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Originally Posted by Bottino

:rock:

No eletronic machine can be labeled "sexy".
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Namco's System 22 was SUPERIOR in design and 3D capabilities to SEGA's Model 1 board. Which is why Namco implemented its engine onto PS1.

http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=537

http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=712

And Trekkies, VF came out in 1993 not 1994. VF2, Daytona USA and Virtua Cop came out in 1994. Model 1 was scrapped by AOU 1994.

So your recollection is incorrect and I totally disagree, Model 1 was inferior to anything else available at the time for high end Arcade machines. Thank God SEGA junked it for Model 2 which blew the world away in 3D and visual graphics in 1994.
06-11-2013, 05:54 PM
FuturePrimitive

Sony PS4 is also region free!

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Originally Posted by Drakon

I never liked consoles that stand up like a tower. A cube is as vertical as I go.

Ever since the PS2, have you been forced to keep your systems tower style? I keep my PS2/PS3 horizontal. PS4 can be horizontal too.
06-11-2013, 06:05 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSega

Namco's System 22 was SUPERIOR in design and 3D capabilities to SEGA's Model 1 board. Which is why Namco implemented its engine onto PS1.

http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=537

http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=712

And Trekkies, VF came out in 1993 not 1994. VF2, Daytona USA and Virtua Cop came out in 1994. Model 1 was scrapped by AOU 1994.

So your recollection is incorrect and I totally disagree, Model 1 was inferior to anything else available at the time for high end Arcade machines. Thank God SEGA junked it for Model 2 which blew the world away in 3D and visual graphics in 1994.

I didn't say Virtua Fighter came out in 1994. I said Model 2 got it's full release in 1994. Learn to read.

Please show an arcade board in 1992 that could do what Model 1 did as well as Model 1 did it. System 22 came out after Model 1 in 1993, and System 21 while nice wasn't quite as powerful as Model 1.
06-11-2013, 06:28 PM
sheath

I am fairly confident that the Saturn is more capable of texture mapped gouraud shaded 3D than the Model 1 is. Anyway, I think comparing System 21 to Model 1 is much more fair than comparing System 22, System 11 or Model 2 to Model 1. Where do you people come up with these comparisons anyway?
06-11-2013, 06:36 PM
FuturePrimitive

BREAKING NEWS: Sony PS4 thread turns into arcade board debate!

IN OTHER NEWS: A MrSega appeared!
06-11-2013, 07:01 PM
sheath

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

BREAKING NEWS: Sony PS4 thread turns into arcade board debate!

IN OTHER NEWS: A MrSega appeared!

Hey, I wasn't the one to claim that Sony was the first company to bring the Arcade home. ;)
06-11-2013, 07:02 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by sheath

Hey, I wasn't the one to claim that Sony was the first company to bring the Arcade home. ;)

Yep that's a silly claim.
06-11-2013, 07:02 PM
MrSega

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Originally Posted by sheath

I am fairly confident that the Saturn is more capable of texture mapped gouraud shaded 3D than the Model 1 is. Anyway, I think comparing System 21 to Model 1 is much more fair than comparing System 22, System 11 or Model 2 to Model 1. Where do you people come up with these comparisons anyway?

:/

Except System 21 beat the Model 1 to the market by a year. By 1993, Namco had already introduced System 22 and its newest competitor was Model 1. Sega learned pretty quickly to never EVER let the competition amusement-wise have the upper hand.

And as for Saturn? Of course its better at texturing and gourad shading than Model 1. After all, its capable of 500,000 polygons and 200,000 texture mapped polygons/geometrics.
06-11-2013, 07:03 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

BREAKING NEWS: Sony PS4 thread turns into arcade board debate!

IN OTHER NEWS: A MrSega appeared!

and he was very effective
quick somebody lock him back up in his orbi bal !
06-11-2013, 07:09 PM
Bottino

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Originally Posted by Semmie

my dick goes vertical ones in a while. but i like the ps4 better . but the controller? i dont know it looks like the ouya controller it has the same touchscreen

http://25.media.tumblr.com/36005fde0...vrr5o1_250.gif
06-11-2013, 07:12 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

Sony PS4 is also region free!

Ever since the PS2, have you been forced to keep your systems tower style? I keep my PS2/PS3 horizontal. PS4 can be horizontal too.

i generally prefer horizontal consoles with either a tray or a slot loader
i like to stack my consoles
06-11-2013, 07:13 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

i generally prefer horizontal consoles with either a tray or a slot loader
i like to stack my consoles

I bet you could put a slim PS2 on top of a PS4.
06-11-2013, 07:16 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

I bet you could put a slim PS2 on top of a PS4.

probably
i prefer the old ps2's to be honest because they are stackable but my slim so far is working fine with nary a problem
unlike my silver ps2 who refuses to read ps 1 games and i got 40 of those
06-11-2013, 07:23 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by MrSega

:/

Except System 21 beat the Model 1 to the market by a year. By 1993, Namco had already introduced System 22 and its newest competitor was Model 1. Sega learned pretty quickly to never EVER let the competition amusement-wise have the upper hand.

And as for Saturn? Of course its better at texturing and gourad shading than Model 1. After all, its capable of 500,000 polygons and 200,000 texture mapped polygons/geometrics.

It beat Model 1 by 4 years. It came out in 1988 and it shows. Compare the racing games on it to Virtua Racing. System 21 doesn't push nearly as many polygons or have nearly as many nice effects.

And yeah, on paper the Saturn should be better than Model 1. Yet for some reason none of it's Model 1 ports are Arcade perfect.
06-11-2013, 07:30 PM
KitsuneNight

^ thats because the saturn was rushed and so were its model 1 ports
virtua fighter remix comes close

and its model 2 ports are compromised but a hell of a lot better
06-11-2013, 07:32 PM
Obviously

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Sorry, but these games to me are more than enough reason to own a Wii U:

When I saw "Monolith" and mecha I thought "HOLY SHIT, FINALLY A SEQUEL/REMAKE OF SHOGO!" Then I realized it's the OTHER Monolith and got disappointed.

Still looks cool though. Still doesn't sell me on the Wii U but I admit in the wake of this E3 it's looking a lot more attractive than it used to.
06-11-2013, 07:38 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

probably
i prefer the old ps2's to be honest because they are stackable but my slim so far is working fine with nary a problem
unlike my silver ps2 who refuses to read ps 1 games and i got 40 of those

Or the other way around with an old PS2! PS4 on top of an old PS2 is just fine.
06-11-2013, 07:41 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

Or the other way around with an old PS2! PS4 on top of an old PS2 is just fine.

uh i think the ps4 is too big for that
it might be smaller then the ps3 but its still quite a big machine

and i see that nintendo has trotted out the usual suspects as usual
nothing new there then
at least it has a line up of third party games too
06-11-2013, 07:46 PM
sheath

Did somebody say stackable PS2?

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/.../XBOXSMASH.jpg
06-11-2013, 07:48 PM
FuturePrimitive

^ Awesome. I'm going to try it when PS4 comes out.
06-11-2013, 07:52 PM
kool kitty89

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Originally Posted by sheath

...? They are all examples of Sony doing unpopular things, that were anti-gaming, unilaterally. They will do the same thing with DRM when the smoke clears, just like they removed backward compatibility from the PS3 when sales were low.

Yes, and of course (as you said before), they act as it suits them . . . as any sensible business should (ie do what's most partical . . . and then moderated by other factors like PR, marketing, creative drive/inspritation, etc . . . it's the mix of variables that drive success and failure as such). It's not about being "pro gamer" or "anti gamer" but about doing what makes sense and will lead to the greatest success all around. (and TBH, being "pro gamer" could very well mean stifling developer freedom too by catering to the gaming masses -ie pushing only currently popular game types- so leaving some room for pure creative freedom is more a matter of just that, keeping that separate from the real-world economics -and to do that, you've got to be willing to moderate things to a reasonable extent and allow some of that risk without risking stability too much . . . or just leave the innovation to small start ups and splinter groups and then pick and choose what to invest in later on, let the little guys take those risks -the big guys still have plenty of chances to fail without going in those directions too, case in point :p . . . and Sega in the 90s was kind of a mess of both ends of that for better or worse)

Anyway, what I see here isn't Sony being "generous" or "pro gamer" but just being smart. The way I see it, Microsoft just made huge idiotic mistakes here, and Sony is now emphasizing that they're not being total idiots like that. ;)
Nintendo should really up there marketing to point out the Wii U's overall set of market advantages too.

Oh, also, this ad is hilarious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYUGtI6guY

Neat how they kept it "positive" too . . . ie kept it focused on their product rather than directly attacking the opponent, though the implications are very clear. ;)

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Originally Posted by chinitosoccer

It wasn't an homicide, Sega Committed suicide, they just chose a slow method to do it, Sega began to kill himself since the SMS days.

Yes, in short, I've come to think of it that way too . . . and it wasn't a single event either, but a mess of things stretching from 1994 through 2000 that did it. (back luck/chance combined with unfortunate decisions and then some things that really just seem crazy/nonsensical regardless -the latter are the issues I tend to argue "what if" over). Similar arguments could be made for Atari. (both Inc and Corp for that matter) Though I'd disagree it started in the SMS days. (Sega's consumer product management steadily improved up to the early 90s)

Sony took advantage of weaknesses of both Sega and Nintendo and leveraged that well . . . as far as that goes, they're kind of doing the same thing now with MS. From a personal point of view though, it's a lot harder to feel sorry for MS than Sega. (or Atari for that matter) ;)

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Originally Posted by chinitosoccer

Sega, Hudson, Atari, Commodore, SNK etc. all these companies were predestined to fail in this business, it was only a matter of time, since the video game industry became big business there is only place for large mega corporations like Microsoft and Sony, Sega as a small company have no place in this business, and Nintendo is already throwing it's last swipes before drowning.

Sega was never succesfull, they should never have entered the market of hardware manufacturing to begin with.

Totally disagree here . . . all of those companies either were or were close to becoming massive megacorps. Look what happened with Nintendo, if you look back to 1983 and compare them to Sega (or Namco or others in Japan) they were weak. Sega had the bad fortune of having multiple divisions go into decline at once in the mid 90s (arcade, amusement, home console, etc) . . . imagine if Sony had seen a massive dip in a bunch of their consumer products (for whatever reason).

Atari Inc was most definitely in the mega-corp game at its height too. (and it acted like it too . . . or Warner did, for better or worse)

Hell, the first pre-existing Japanese tech mega-corp to enter the scene also ended up in obscurity outside Japan. NEC is an obvious example of how a massive company will fail without good management of a product. . . . Also, NEC saw the massive problem of their PC market falling out from under them in the early 90s, so a prime example of the sort of market "dip" problem I posed for Sony above. (and Sony failed with betamax, of course)
06-11-2013, 08:10 PM
FuturePrimitive

E3 PS4 gallery from outside the glass display:

http://www.destructoid.com/get-a-clo...y-256083.phtml
06-11-2013, 08:19 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by sheath

Did somebody say stackable PS2?

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/.../XBOXSMASH.jpg

me me me me !
that was me !

i usually put my xbox lowest and stack everything on that
its quite flat and sturdy
06-11-2013, 08:20 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

E3 PS4 gallery from outside the glass display:

http://www.destructoid.com/get-a-clo...y-256083.phtml

man thats a lot smaller and thinner then i had imagined
makes the xbox one look even more like an unwieldy brick from the 70's
06-11-2013, 08:25 PM
old man

You guys are definitely into this next generation of consoles. You keep making the same threads over and over again with different titles, just like the games.
06-11-2013, 08:26 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

man thats a lot smaller and thinner then i had imagined
makes the xbox one look even more like an unwieldy brick from the 70's

That's because the Xbone is an unwieldy brick from the 70's! Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

http://i.imgur.com/5TAiX7U.jpg
06-11-2013, 08:28 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by old man

You guys are definitely into this next generation of consoles. You keep making the same threads over and over again with different titles, just like the games.

I see two threads. One for E3 in general, one for PS4.

None for Xbone.
06-11-2013, 08:44 PM
KitsuneNight

sony at the moment seems to be hitting all the right notes
06-11-2013, 08:44 PM
nemesis enforcer

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Originally Posted by FuturePrimitive

I see two threads. One for E3 in general, one for PS4.

None for Xbone.

There is one, but it's ripping on MS's decision to treat everyone like zombie consumers, here it is - http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...rs-For-Gaming"
06-11-2013, 08:50 PM
nemesis enforcer

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Originally Posted by old man

You guys are definitely into this next generation of consoles. You keep making the same threads over and over again with different titles, just like the games.

I'm indifferent to the whole affair, I just enjoy the pointless bickering. I fell out with consoles a long time ago. That's why I'm here and not on some x-station playbox forum, or whatever the fuck them PC wannabe consoles are called these days :-)
06-11-2013, 08:54 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by nemesis enforcer

There is one, but it's ripping on MS's decision to treat everyone like zombie consumers, here it is - http:// http://www.sega-16.com/forum...urs-For-Gaming

uh the link is un clickable

it seems to be the same link twice
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...urs-For-Gaming
06-11-2013, 09:09 PM
nemesis enforcer

Cheers Kitsune, not sure how I managed that :-) fixed
06-11-2013, 10:03 PM
KitsuneNight

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ff06cfde0...3yl8o1_500.png
06-11-2013, 10:09 PM
Obviously

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

sony at the moment seems to be hitting all the right notes

Really though, as has been noted earlier "hitting all the right notes" only consists of not being Microsoft at this point.
06-11-2013, 10:15 PM
FuturePrimitive

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Originally Posted by KitsuneNight

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ff06cfde0...3yl8o1_500.png

This is the best thing I've seen in a while!
06-11-2013, 10:22 PM
KitsuneNight

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Originally Posted by Obviously

Really though, as has been noted earlier "hitting all the right notes" only consists of not being Microsoft at this point.

i know ( i said it myself a few times ;)
all sony needed to do was not follow microsofts lead which they could have done
but they didnt and sony knows how to milk it for all the good will they can
06-11-2013, 10:33 PM
nemesis enforcer

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but they both suck. Buy a good PC and be done with it, you might be putting money in Microsoft's pocket for the OS but you could counter that by installing a Sony bluray drive. Win, win, win situation. The console is dead, long live the PC! (Flame shield on) :-)

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