I'm buying one when it's cheaper personally because I don't see a good reason too yet, but "buy a Wii U it has games right now the others don't!" is literally the worst reasoning ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoVamp
I'm buying one when it's cheaper personally because I don't see a good reason too yet, but "buy a Wii U it has games right now the others don't!" is literally the worst reasoning ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoVamp
it is a good reason honestly.
guess what?
im enjoying monster hunter to the fullest with my headphone talking to friends
im enjoying cod ghost, kill some peeps and be a boss for a moment
im enjoying zelda ww HD sailing from place to place and finding out what to do
im enjoying
and you could enjoy and have that good time to
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Originally Posted by Gogogadget
Moar like :
Xbone haz no gamez.
PS4 haz no gamez.
Wii U has no good gamez. :p
I liked Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii so I will give you that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
PC, XBOne & PS4 versions are better tbh, although I don't really like COD anyway.Quote:
im enjoying cod ghost, kill some peeps and be a boss for a moment
Good game, but I don't really like the way Nintendo are just re-releasing old Zelda games like OOT and WW, good games I guess but i've played them before.Quote:
im enjoying zelda ww HD sailing from place to place and finding out what to do
None of which really tells me why I should totally put £200 down on a Wii U and not save towards another console.
Enjoyment with not a lot of traction for people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
Personally, I have Monster Hunter Tri on Wii, I already played the earlier games on PSP, and reluctantly picked up 3 on the Wii because it had a lack of awesome games too. Why would I buy a Wii U for the same game again with more bullshit added to it?
I can get COD Ghosts on PC, Xbox 360, PS3 rather than pick up a Wii U to play it. I already bought a Gamecube with Zelda Wind Waker packed in with it 10 years ago. Same reasons to roll my eyes as Monster Hunter 3.
There's not a lot to redeem it for Nintendo. For the bullshit they offer right now, MSRP should be $199. I'd buy a Wii U at that price out of pity.
Semmie: -36
Everyone else: +1
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
I've said it on other boards, and I'll say it here again:
The problem with WiiU is not the system being "underpowered" compared to PS4/XBO, the Upad, or the games.
No, the problem with WiiU is Nintendo. Nintendo is the problem.
What do I mean by that?
I don't mean Nintendo's own games. I know even liking Nintendo developed and/or published games seems to be akin to burning ancestral villages here on Sega-16's forums, but IMO Nintendo does make some fine games. No, the problem isn't Nintendo games, but Nintendo not establishing and communicating the value of the console as a whole (hardware, including the Upad, and the software, which, as we all know, is what sells game hardware). They've not established and communicated the value to consumers, including to their own "core" consumer, nor to third parties.
How does one establish value to third parties? Better support. That doesn't mean moneyhatting (although that would help), but just being more open. Nintendo seems to be opening up a bit more, particularly to indie devs, but they aren't where they should be yet. I recall reading somewhere that the dev kit docs for WiiU were painfully short, missing important info, etc. Quite a few third parties did their own preliminary tests based on 360/PS3 code (which, as we know now, shouldn't be how one devs WiiU software), decided it wasn't up to snuff, and called it a day. The others that stuck with the console just weren't well supported by Nintendo in terms of answering questions, having finished kits, etc.
So right there we see a major part of Nintendo's problem was (and still is) just communicating the basics with third parties.
How about consumers?
Well, the way to establish value and communicate that value is via marketing efforts. I know many here on Sega-16 would scoff at this statement, but the "Wii would like to play" marketing campaign for Wii was a MAJOR part of why it hooked consumers, particularly "casual" consumers (again, those that buy few games as defined by marketing terms). The core was had, early on, by having a good clip of releases, but then the typical Nintendo droughts and flagging third party support reared its head ~2009-2010, and sales dropped off dramatically. WiiU has started out, right out of the gate, with those same Nintendo software droughts, lack of third party support (even worse), and, to top it all off, Nintendo has seeminly forgotten how to friggin' market hardware.
The ads I've seen for WiiU are pathetic. We're talking NES Zelda nerd commercial pathetic, but back then Nintendo, for all intents and purposes (due in no small part to their monopolistic practices) was "the only game in town" (as far as the US and Japan went). There's no "Wii would like to play" brilliance, no cohesive coherent message as to the value of the console to consumers, to families. It's just...there. And it isn't selling.
Remove the Upad and knock a hundred bucks off of the price and it likely still wouldn't sell well, IMO. That's because the issue isn't really the hardware, the Upad, but Nintendo themselves. They've apparently thought it would just sell just...because. It was hubris. The same sort of hubris that screwed them up early on with 3DS (the person at Nintendo who thought a $250 portable video game system would fly should've been immediately fired, IMO. Absolutely idiotic price point for that type of product).
As for PS4 and XBO flying off shelves now: launch "glow". Six months from now will really tell the tale of how those consoles, and the product market as a whole, are going to do. I for one think they will continue to outsell WiiU, but it's very doubtful they'll sell as well as they are now. Launch "glow" tends to dissipate, and the summer months are slow for game software and hardware sales. Strong consoles, sales-wise (and consumer perception wise, in terms of perception of value) tend to survive better during those slower months. If PS4 and XBO do that, and WiiU continues to struggle, the writing will be on the wall. If PS4 and XBO, by some minor miracle, sell as well or better than they are now, then the writing will have been written in WiiU's blood. If WiiU strengthens up a bit this holiday, and rides that into the summer months, with XBO and PS4 drop off a bit but not dramatically, then all the better for the product market as a whole (note that I'm not saying WiiU will sell better than PS4/XBO in this scenario, but rather that it itself would pick up a bit).
If all three experience severe downturns in sales hitting those summer months, then bad, bad mojo ahead. That would be a sign that the product market is contracting, not growing. I for one cannot believe such a thing would happen, but it is "scary" to contemplate. That would be another market correction ala the so-called "Crash".
With all respect. Your cryingQuote:
Originally Posted by spiffyone
There are plenty commercials in europe. PLUS THE WII U is doing well again. It is a console that came late 2012. And in some lands early. 2013. They sold till octobre 4 million. So it they would sell. 6 mil ommore in one year and some months? Thats actually decent
^^^The console is tracking worse in the US, the MAJOR market for consoles, than Gamecube and Dreamcast did. Dreamcast had the excuse of a financially weakened Sega selling it, so they couldn't do things like pack-ins, price cuts, etc. until later (here I'll note that Nintendo dropped the GC price to $149 in a shorter amount of time, comparatively, than Sega did for DC).'
The bulk of the sales for WiiU were front loaded, during the launch "glow". Since then, monthly sales cliff dived. There's been an uptick since October (beginning of the holiday shopping season), but not by nearly as much as desired.
Also, in EU, the major market is the UK. WiiU is doing absolutely horrible there.
The marketing campaign sucks in the US. I don't know about EU, but that should be the least of Nintendo's concerns, quite frankly. It's not where their bread has been buttered for generations.
I thought the Cube went down to $99Quote:
Originally Posted by spiffyone
If the excuse of "More games are coming" wasn't good enough for the Wii U last December why is it a good excuse for the PS4 and Xbox One now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
It's bad pickup right now because by the time those better games are out both systems will have probably had a price cut. There is nothing out for the PS4 or Xbox One that I want to play right now. I don't care about First Person Shooters on consoles. So that removes a huge chunk of both libraries. I've never been a fan of sports games, so that eliminates another huge chunk of both libraries. So let's look at what remains
PS4:
Knack - Somewhat interesting platformer, but not worth paying $400 to play. I can get better plaformers on my Wii U and older systems.
Resogun - Not a bad shooter, but not worth paying $400 for. I have access to more shmups to satisfy that itch on my 360 alone.
The rest are all cross-gen titles I can get on my 360 or Wii U.
Xbox One:
Crimson Dragon - Looked interesting, but I'm not paying $500 to play it. I would have probably gotten it if it remained on the 360. Though looking at it's reviews it looks like I dodged a bullet on that one. Even major Panzer Dragoon fans were saying it was bad.
Ryse Son of Rome - If I want to play an FMV game I have my Sega CD for that.
Killer Instinct - This game was lame on the SNES and N64, why should I get it when I have access to better fighters on my 360, Wii/Wii U, Saturn, and Dreamcast?
Dead Rising 3 - I was never a big fan of these games last gen, and considering it's a technical mess with a bad framerate and resolution I'm not that excited about running out and paying $500 to play it.
Forza 5 - I'm still happy with Forza 3 to be honest. Considering that 5 has less cars and I'm still not able to use a Logitech Wheel I'm not that thrilled about the game.
The rest are all cross-gen and I can get them for my 360 or Wii U.
Sure there's games coming, but I'm not going to pay $400-$500 for a brick that's going to sit there with nothing to play for a good year. Watch Dogs I'll probably get for Wii U because I think the game pad will work better. If I really care about graphics I'll get the PC version. After that game there's nothing else coming to PS4 and Xbox One I want until Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy XV. And those probably wont be arriving until 2015. So why should I buy a PS4 or Xbox One now?
Meanwhile the Wii U has the following coming in 2014 that I want to play:
Mariokart 8
Super Smash Bros Wii U
Bayonetta 2
X
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
So right now, the Wii U has the better library of 2013 and looks to have a better list games for me going into 2014.
I admit the Wii U's sales aren't looking too hot right now. Though it has had a decent surge going on in Japan, and it did get some kind of bump for November, it's not as good as it could be. Though when no one is advertising it for Black Friday you can't be surprised when it doesn't sell as well as it could. Though I have seen a lot of stores stocking up on newer bundles throughout December and really pushing it. So perhaps it can still pull off a decent Holiday Season. We'll just have to wait and see.
How are you not tired of playing Super Mario Kart games Trekkies?
Because they're fun to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet