Your whining knuckle. They are in a huge maintenance and we allready have more now. Their other step is the signing of games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
It will all be better.
Ps3 psp got better each update
But most important is that nintendo listened
Nintendo doesn't even let you play your Wii virtual console titles on the Wii U virtual console. They upgrade it for a fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
I doubt we will see a Virtual Console cross-buy system between 3DS and Wii U, it makes too much sense for Nintendo to do it.
The signing of games? Citation needed on whatever the hell you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
perhaps you may be the grammar gangster over here. but to sign ports or programs is a known terminology
most of the games on 3ds or on wii u ned to be signed properly. the ones that are signed allready need to be merged
example of zelda 2 nes is on 3ds and on wii u as well
ofcourse those games are signed allready to work on both, therefor all they need to do is merge them.
ofcourse a 3ds game will be a 3ds game and will never be on wii u
and the other way around to
the other ones that are exclusive for 3ds previously might stay exclusive or need to be signed to work on wii u as well.
(im talking about old classics and indie games that could be for both)
this all needs time
yes friend codes still exist. the only way they could rid them is to make an update for every single game that was ment to work with friendcodes
it is possible but i dont think they will do that. it might be that the coming games will work with nin id,s
and even tho i know it wont happen for the old games i still hope they will give an update for heroes of ruins
cause let us be honest knuckle
we may not agree on many things but friendcodes dont work
the nin id is much better and you can easily recruit friends on miiverse that way
Has Nintendo even stated their intention of merging the 3DS and Wii U virtual consoles? I haven't seen it anywhere, and they already charge money for the Wii to Wii U upgrade conversion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
Nintendo doesn't even sell the ambassador games they gave away. Not only did they fuck up and have to burn the customers with a price drop, give them free games. They had to make it some exclusive thing tied to hardware. Why not say "We're sorry, here's a ton of new games for everybody. Guess what? Early adopters get them for free." They just don't make sense and wall themselves off from potential customers.
the wii to wii u conversion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
please explain more
If you own games on Wii Virtual console. Do a system transfer to Wii U, to use the games in the Wii U mode, you update at a discount. $1 per NES and $1.50 per SNES title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
It goes against all logic that they would somehow merge the VC between multiple platforms and let you use the games you already own wherever you want to. It's a cash grab for small feature upgrades that should already be considered into the $299 purchase of the console in the first place.
Have they stated they want to let you share between VCs? All I see is merging of points, because almost everybody knows a person out there who went and bought a points card for DSi, Wii, 3DS, and WiiU and couldn't redeem it properly. Nintendo is simplifying their gift cards away from fragmentation, and the credit on your account is easier to deal with.
i missed the wii gen. so to me personally it doesnt count. But i can understand that others would feel cheated because of that.
ofcourse the xbox360 is for real on their user base. they wont do a conversion to xbone what so ever. so if we would compare this we could say that nin at least does it
but for a price is unfair to me.
sony is the winner on this one i guess cause your account is integrated.
i dont think they will make it free that conversion you talk about.
offtopic
that is why i kinda neglected on digital purchases
example; i bought an app on iphone (my french coach) very lonng time ago. the app is not on store anymore and never updated to work on ios 6 let alone 7
even tho i can still download it cause i purchased it.
i cant use it
example 2
tony hawks 2 on iphone
doesnt work anymore since ios 7. and from what i see they will never update it. they havent updated the game since 2010
so as you see it is digital casino.
they say its your game, but can you play it? and for how long?
good purchases
tomtom
or any other reliable app with a reliable company name that updates frequently
Boxed games are the only ones you can rely on. they are raw material that you own and can sell or keep. they become rare or collectables
digital games are things you can play. but in a world where there is realism and where a rock can be touched thrown or broken. the game is air.
but ontopic again.
i purchased just a vieww digital games(mahjongzeldamegaman) which i honestly dont expect them that they will be on every nin console. and who know the next next gen i will be playing Ps5 or hopefully a new sega(optimistic me)
You didn't specify what kind of third party titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lan Di
The only one that sold under 250k was Need for Speed the Run. All the others were about 400k or above. 2 were over 1 Million sold in 2006 and 2007, then it started to go down. The next one was 750k, the one after that 550k, then 440k, then 220k. This could be due to two things.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
1) As the generation went on more of those Wii owners also got a 360 or a PS3. Why would they pay full price for a worse than PS2 quality port when they could get a much better version on their 360 or PS3?
2) Some of the later ports were flat out embarrassing in quality. I'm not expecting 360 level graphics from the Wii, but when there's Indie Racers on the Wii Shop Channel and Gamecube Racers that look better, something is wrong.
I may not watch football on Sundays, but I do still see Madden commercials on TV. Rarely do they ever mention the other versions besides the Xbox ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
You can still play the games free in Wii Mode. While Sony does allow Cross Platform play with PSN titles, it's only for a select few and not all of them. And to my knowledge there's maybe only 3 you can cross-buy for the PS4. Microsoft wont even let you play any of your XBLA titles on the Xbox One.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
The price for Wii U VC titles after transferring is only if you want to upgrade to the Wii U versions that include things like Off-TV Play and Miiverse integration. If you don't care about those features, you can still play them just as they are on your Wii U through Wii mode. It really is just an upgrade fee. It would be like if Steam offered the ability to upgrade to steam versions of older PC games for a small fee to get Steam integration and all the features that came with it.
So for example, FF8 recently released on Steam with achievements, full steam features, patches, updates, etc. But let's say I already had the original PC release, but I wanted the Steam version with the perks that go with it. If Steam did this like Nintendo I'd be able to show my proof of purchase of the original release to then allow me upgrade to the Steam version for $1. Instead with how Steam is currently set up, I'm out of luck. Even though it's the same platform I essentially have to purchase the game again on Steam for $12. It's the same for all older PC titles on Steam like Doom, Quake, Unreal Tournament, etc.
Basically the only companies that really bends over backwards for a system like you are describing is Sony, and again that's not for everything. Microsoft doesn't do it for Xbox Live, Games for Windows Live or Windows Phone Marketplace. I can't buy Sonic 4 on my Windows Phone then download it for free on my 360 or Xbox One. I have to buy it again at full price. Origin doesn't do it for Physical releases and neither does Steam for a lot of games. I can't take my Physical copy of Sims 3 and link to Steam or Origin to get good deals on digital expansions. Only select games allow that and it's simply because they include a free download code in the box. Usually I have to buy the game again at full price. Though I will give Steam credit for allowing Cross-Buy for other Operating Systems.
So you're bitching about something here that every other major competing digital distribution service, except PSN and Steam, does worse. And even Steam doesn't allow you to take into consideration your older PC games when they get released
I will admit that the two remaining downfalls of Nintendo's current system after last night's update are that you can't cross buy VC titles on both systems, and that your games are linked to your Nintendo Network account, which is linked to your system. You can get it unlinked, but you need to call Nintendo and have them do it.
While those are two bit things that would be nice to have, you have to admit they are improving things.
I will say that this is a start, and a good step. Nintendo seems to (finally) acknowledge that having one account across multiple platforms is the way to go. I'm sure they're baby-stepping it, and that is very good. Shoehorn too many things at once and the results can be bad.
Hopefully Nintendo can make this unified account work and tie your purchases to that, and not the hardware. But who knows? With the PS3, the feature people wanted the most was universal chat and it turned out that the hardware and OS simply did not allow it. There was no patch or firmware update that could make it happen. Hopefully, that's not the case with the 3DS/Wii U.
So, to reiterate some points, I think many people agree that the Wii U is a capable system with good games. I think the sticking point is that should it be your only console, you'd be missing out on a lot. And that's something that I'd like to see change. And that's something that Nintendo doesn't seem to be aggressively trying to fix. Like the Gamecube, they seem to be ok with being a secondary console.
It's as if the sales numbers come in, they look at it and say "ok guys, we're still PS4's and X1's owner's second or third choice. And that's not terribly bad. Let's get lunch!"
Actually your purchases are tied to your Nintendo Network account. The account just so happens to be tied to your console.Quote:
Originally Posted by grieverr
Meaning that I cannot access my purchases on anything but that specific hardware. And should my hardware break, I need Nintendo to unregister it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
No need to put a positive spin on it. I'm not bashing Nintendo, just stating something that I hope they fix in the future.
Oh I agree it is something that needs fixed/changed. But the proper thing to ask for is to have your account not be bound to your console.Quote:
Originally Posted by grieverr
I'm saying VC crossbuy merger is not an obvious or forward thinking selling point, or a likely outcome to this merger as Semmie has implied with "signing of games". I've asked if Nintendo stated these intentions, because they are doing the opposite already. I'm not bitching or complaining about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
But yes, you've come along to enlighten us all just to how justified Nintendo is by charging more money to run those roms on a new emulator with tablet support, while pointing out that it could be worse, AND the lack of VC crossbuy and Nintendo account hardware are downsides. The only two things I've been saying recently. Yep. Great shilling, Trekkies. Keep up the good work, and Reggie might let you tongue his balls some day. I'm sure his body is ready.
Oh, well...
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I only have one of those people blocked, lol.
Bah FREE MRSEGA! ORBI 2014 BITCHES!
Holy crap, even back when the Wii was announced the VC could have been handled a whole hell of a lot better. The prices I think are pretty bad. 5$ per NES game? 8$ for an SNES game? Yeah, there are some good deals, but remember when they sold compilation discs for 40$ on the PS2 and PSP? 5$ is not a bad price for a physical copy, but you can only use this on the Wii? It's a damn ROM, I should be able to play this on any Nintendo console I have.
Cross platform buying is a nobrainer.
I'd also like to point out that releasing Earthbound on the Wii U was a ploy to get diehard fans to buy a failing console. If they really cared they would have released it a decade ago on the GBA, or the Wii VC.
Fixed for the Christmas spirit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Scrooge
TEH ORBIQuote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
My Orbi avatar is ready.
They do it because they can get away with it. Nintendo is revered as like the Godfather of videogames by the media and by fanboys. These fuckers got away with selling NES games on the GBA for like 20 dollars a pop back in the early 2000s.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
The accounts are now merged, and you can view your purchase history between platforms. So the framework is now there to set up a cross buy system. It wasn't there before. I'm not saying this is perfect or cause for celebration, but I do think you should give credit where credit is due. It's not perfect yet, but Nintendo is making changes to their system and they are listening to what fans want from their online structure. And Nintendo did state back in October that they were looking into a cross buy system. So there is a good chance it could be coming down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Also, if you are going to crucify Nintendo for not having a Cross-Buy system then why don't you do the same to Microsoft. They don't have a cross buy feature either. If you want a game that's on both XBLA and Windows Phone, you have to buy it twice at full price. So where's your crusade against Microsoft?
It's only a $1. If that insults you so much and you feel the features aren't worth it, then just play them for free in Wii mode. You clearly don't care about off-TV play or Miiverse integration, which are the two selling points for the $1 upgrade. So then don't pay for it, just continue to play them as they are on your Wii U for free in Wii mode. It's not like Nintendo is forcing you to pay that upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Yeah, and the one specific part of that you were bitching about in the post I quoted was about upgrading Wii VC purchases to Wii U versions. I simply pointed out that it's optional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Keep up the good work, and Gabe Newell might let you stick your head further up his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Yes, this is truly awful. I can't think of anything more viciously evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
And this is part of the problem here. Emulators have conditioned us to not see these older console games as the actual software they are. To us they are just a ROM we can get for free on the internet, they have no value. In reality they are Software properties, and the creators are entitled to sell them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
I agree cross buy would be nice where it's applicable. However from DSi to 3DS I believe there is cross buy for DSiware. For Wii to Wii U you can transfer your Wii virtual console titles and WiiWare titles over to your Wii U and still play them without paying extra. Where the bigger disconnect arises is from 3DS to Wii U. And right now the only titles that includes are the NES virtual console titles as those are the only ones they currently share.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
Technically Earthbound was released on the Wii Virtual Console, just not in the US. If I remember correctly it was due to licensing issues or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16-bit
I had no qualms with Sega offering there Ultimate Genesis collection for whatever price it was back then. It can now be found from 14.99 to 19.99 brand new. Now when was the last Nintendo offered 40 or so classic games on one compilation? Outside of regurgitating Mario All-Stars for the Wii they haven't. This was the same company that decided to sell regular NES games on the GBA for the very low price of 19.99. I'd use roms just to tell them to kiss my ass. Hell I thought people were being to hard on Sega's 3D Ages compilation. Which was a budget compilation.Quote:
And this is part of the problem here. Emulators have conditioned us to not see these older console games as the actual software they are. To us they are just a ROM we can get for free on the internet, they have no value. In reality they are Software properties, and the creators are entitled to sell them.
Yet how much is Sega selling some of those same Roms for individually? How much did Sega charge for that port of Sonic on the GBA? How much did Capcom charge for a MAME version of Street Fighter 2 on XBLA? How much did Konami charge for a MAME version of their arcade beat'em ups on XBLA? How much does Sony charge for their PS1 games on PSN?Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Shocker
It should also be noted that Nintendo did also release a Kirby compilation on the Wii.
These go on sale for 1$, even less if you buy them in a compilation on Steam! You're also ignoring the fact that they're 40% cheaper on Steam than on the VC, and you can actually use savestates/filters/configure regions on the emulator. Nintendo has not done this, and will not do this. These games are 20+ years old! For Godsakes they re-released Mario allstars for what, 50$? That's being lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I bought Ufouria thinking that it would be playable on the Virtual Console. But it's not. The music is all fucked up because I can't switch the video mode to 50hz on the emulator. And that's bullshit.
No it wasn't Nintendo admitted that there were no problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
http://kotaku.com/maybe-the-earthbou...ium=Socialflow
I sell consoles now at my work. I don't really particularly like any of them. I like the idea of Mario 3D World, but the whole idea of getting people who don't already own a Wii to buy a Wii U, it's a hard sell. You want two Wii remotes and nunchucks? Well, along with everything else it'll cost you the same amount as a PS4, which will be getting more games.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Anybody would be a fool to buy Sega's roms when you can now buy the comp for like the price of 3 roms. And that GBA was trash and it was well known. I own multiple SF2 on the Saturn so i'd never touch those. And I gladly payed for Konami games sense they were available for the first time. I paid 14.99 for D&D again I own the Saturn version but it was a bastardized port. I have seen some PSOne games for 4.99 or 5.99 and these are games that had higher production costs than NES and SNES games. Nintendo is selling NES Zelda for 500 Wii points. For a whopping .99 cents more I could Alundra on the PSN. Now remind me Trekkies who is ripping who off now?
Either Steam or GoG needs to make a virtual console competitor, not sell badly emulated rom packs, I mean a serious virtual console competitor. I would consider buying roms if the experience was better than what I can get with emulators (feature parity + library management would be enough). A well configured retroarch gives me the best experience I can have with old games: emulation is super accurate, I can make complex combinations of filters and get a near HD quality look, it supports rewinding, save states and manages lag in online matches... for free. Come on...
Nintendo is a ripoff by having to pay $299 for last gen hardware with few games in it's future. You would think those upgraded rom features would be free, as an incentive to upgrade. I'm not digressing too far on that point, yet I'm somehow crucifying Nintendo. I guess Trekkie's ass is so raw with butthurt, that he feels the need to defend anything and everything.
Yea Nintendo wants to profit off hardware, they can keep dreaming!!
nintendo think they can sell hardware with a huge profit like the millions of idiotic drones that bought the wiiQuote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Everybody is a cashgrabber and thats a fact
Wii u is the best next gen console to have atm.
People allready sell their ps4 cause it turned out to be impulsive buys.
When u go thinking about it
Wii u
More games
Cheaper
And they have loads of games for 2014.
They promised family games this december
I hate that
But they promised games 2014 to be for advanced gamers
And that is a good news.
for 700$ yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
the rest of your post btw is beyond laughable
Or less. Same price they bought it or less.
Honestly its shit like the psvita is also shit. There is so much power. But there is no soul
You would agree that sega had soul but no power anymore.
Ps4 and vita arent suffering for nothing. Now dont get me wrong ps4 sold a lot there is no denial. So in that sense they are succesfull.
So far so good. But for how long? The brain is thinking.
Xbone no games
Ps4 few to no games
And most ps4 games are basically pc games on a console
Wii u targets another crowd. And once in a while a new wave comes in
And that is how that goes.
Will u sel a lot in 2 weeks and be slow at the rest
Will u sell slow and all of a sudden wave after wave?
I mean you just never know do you?
I think nintendo will either be a good third. Or a second since i see the xbone life is threatened.
ps4 is suffering? in what galaxy do you life? they break every global console record.
The ps4 is succesful why did i say wii u is third or second and xbone?
I acknowledge what u say. But those buys in my opinion untill now are impulsive buys.
They literally just came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
I want a Wii U and a 3DS. However, I'm not even a teenager anymore and I can't force myself to walk up to the register with those things. If I had to guess, that is the biggest issue with Nintendo this generation. They're not selling something useful.
plenty games by now