I guess you didn't bother reading through the topic, not that I blame youQuote:
Originally Posted by profholt82
I guess you didn't bother reading through the topic, not that I blame youQuote:
Originally Posted by profholt82
yeah, except the tens of millions that bought and enjoyed the Wii because of those motion controls....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
I know you'll argue with emotional "gamer" thinking, but understand that your personal opinions on motion control have NO bearing on what the consumer market at large feels about the subject. Those folks voted with their wallets, buying Wiis and Kinects by the truck loads.
nobody is playing wii anymore. certainly not wii motion control games. it was a gimmick. family's bought it and then within some months it was in a closet never to be seen again. that's why you can get wii's pretty much for free everywhere
Folks are still playing motion controlled games on their mobile devices. They're still playing Kinect games, as sales of that peripheral can establish. And they're likely still playing Wii games except they're not buying anymore Wii games because, well, that system doesn't have many, if any, new games coming out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
You have no actual evidence to support your theory that no one bought Wii games. On the contrary, the attach rate for the system directly refutes your statement that all they did was collect dust after being purchased.
Those 'games' need a different classification or term. They're more of an interactive entertainment, than traditional games IMO. There are some exceptions (mostly the ones that blend traditional gaming with interactive entertainment). A huge part of the consume base purchased the wii, specifically for this. Non-gamers bought it specifically to play interactive entertainment type of titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiffyone
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Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
"Nintendo has apologised that its TVii service is still yet to launch in Europe.
TVii launched alongside the Wii U in the US, but was scheduled to make its debut in Europe at some point in 2013. Which didn't happen. Pressing the TV button on the GamePad is therefore significantly less fruitful in Europe, basically."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nin.../1100-6417119/
Which is why motion control has been a big selling point for the Wii U and why tons of people are really happy that Microsoft is going the extra mile to include Kinect in their Xbox One bundles and why Playstation Move is getting a huge push for the PS4... oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiffyone
Admit it, motion control was a gimmick and like all gimmicks they drank from the well and now it's run dry.
Sega has a port of Crazy Taxi to Android that honestly has pretty decent motion controls.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
I don't hate the idea of motion controls, I'm just pretty ambivalent towards them and think they should more of an optional feature and not a requirement. I also think that's the direction motion controlled games are moving in anyway.
Amen to that. I skipped Mario Sunshine how annoying it was, and couldn't play the GBA Mario games at all. SMB 3 with Mario voice? Sold it ASAP. I can't stand the same Link voice in Zelda games, either, and to this day I refuse to play Metroid Other M for the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
I liked Super Mario 3D Land a lot, which is saying something because I'm not much of a fan of 3D platformers.
But yeah, should've never had Mario talk. Or Sonic for that matter.
The less said about Metroid Other M the better.
I know it's blasphemous in some circles, but I still can't play the 3D Sonics. Any of them, even Adventure. It's a total buzzkill, and does nothing for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obviously
The gen is still early. Time will tell whether or not XBO sells well enough to justify including Kinect in there, and whether or not Sony goes back to pimping Move for PS4. Nintendo, for their part, is still pimping motion for WiiU, specifically for WiiU Sports and WiiU Fit and the multiplayer games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
When did I mention motion controls? Nintendo made the Wii a success and created their own niche by not trying to compete directly with MS or Sony, but delivering a fun and affordable product that anyone could use and have fun with even if it was kind of crappy (maybe even because of it). Their success made them arrogant, as usual, and now they're trying to compete nose to nose again using underpowered hardware and a touch screen gimmick that has already worn out it's welcome on two handhelds. This all makes me believe that Nintendo doesn't even understand their own success.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
That was one of the first things I noticed about A Link Between Worlds. They left out that stupid fucking yell Link makes when he swings his sword. It's also probably part of the reason why I like the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by opwuaioc
That was pretty big for me too. Link screaming his head off over every sword swing always aggravated me. I thought for sure it would be there. They made a lot of surprising and welcome decisions for that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by old man
The Wii U deemphasized motion control compared to the Wii. Nintendo has preferred to focus on the touch screen as the system's supposed selling point. Xbone includes Kinect as standard only because Kinect sold so well in the first place. Your sarcasm ("tons of people are really happy") belies the fact that Xbox One's launch was very successful. The thing about the Move is that it detects position in addition to movement. The actual motion sensing is no better than a standard PS3/PS4 controller IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
le meput it like this. when we lost sega it was a big loss. losing nintendo would be greater. not because they are greater then sega. But because nintendo is all that remains.
truth be said i think wii u will be ok, they dont make games back to back but when they do it is a really good game
mario kart and smash bros will sell like warmbread
Honestly, it's a pretty safe bet that Sony won't reintroduce Move to the PS4, nobody cared about Move when it debuted and even less people really care about it now tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiffyone
Never said the Xbox One wasn't successful, just that they are trying to force an addon onto you that everyone got tired of fairly quickly, in fact I don't really remember much Kinect games other than the initial few, and then just some that had Kinect voice commands.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
I can see it all now.
Disney buys Marvel Comics, Disney buys Star Wars...
...then sometime in the future Nintendo buys Sega, then Disney buys Nintendo and Disney ends up owning my entire childhood.
Please don't kill me if this ever happens.
And then Disney will defrost Walt's head from cryogenic suspension and he will rule us all. O_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Obviously
http://chikuba.files.wordpress.com/2...walts-head.jpg
dont give them ideas !Quote:
Originally Posted by Obviously
but i can see disney buying sega to be honest
some how i just can see them do that
2 more weeks until the Q3 earnings report. I expect revised targets and apologies.
"Please Understand"
what do you assume? cause i know your assuming ;) oh no shit you want to be like yeah i told you so. the wii u didnt sell much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
oh and by the way biggest drop sales are usually jan and feb. so that you know
Nintendo's FY Q3 is their most important quarter and metric of the year. October-December, reported at the end of the following month. Christmas results. Yearly forecasts and decisions are based off of this information. Jan-March sales won't matter until around April 30th/May 1st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Semmie
I assume they're not going to meet their targets and burn Iwata & Reggie at the stake like the mindless and obtuse savages they are over there in Nintendo's HQ. At least I hope for something as dramatic. There's no signs that anybody has a pulse over at Nintendo.
Their Japanese stock went up when China lifted it's console ban, but it might get dumped before the results come out. It's hard to say how far up shit creek Nintendo is right now, the Christmas party is over. We have 2 more weeks to wait.
Well, it's out. Huge loss.
http://www.gamnesia.com/images/uploads/iwata-sad.jpg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...i-u-games.html
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2014/140117e.pdf
Wii U expectations revised down from 9m to 2.8m. Software sales expectations dropping from 38m to 19m.
3DS revised from 18m to 13.5m. Software 80m dropping to 66m
http://www.p4rgaming.com/wp-content/...ie_i_dunno.jpg
Let's wait and see where the Nintendo stock goes. Time to start firing people.
I don't have a dog in this fight and don't particularly care if the Wii-U does well or not (although a couple of games look cool, no big loss if it fails, which would mean one less console I have to buy), however, it's been "this year" for less than a whole quarter. In February will it be a solid third into the new year. And so what if it does poorly for the first two years? Or three even? The NES solid buried the competition only in 1988-1989. It could flounder and end up like the Dreamcast, or it could pull up eventually and do a GameCube. I think it'll do even better than the GameCube, honestly. But it's too early to say and to say otherwise is just petty snarling.
This calendar year, by the end of march it will be 1 quarter. Fiscal years start then, so from January to March is the last quarter of the FY a lot of businesses operate under. The fiscal year starts in April. February would be a solid third into the new year? That doesn't add up, even going from the hardware's launch date.Quote:
Originally Posted by opwuaioc
Nintendo is killing themselves. They must have a strategy to go private. It's the only thing that makes sense. It also could be a good time for a hostile take over from Disney, Apple, Sony, Samsung, or Xbox.
WHAHAHA I can't stop laughing at this. nintendo really deserves this. also I will pay good money to see trkkies and semmie spin this clear cut horrible news into something elseQuote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
also a new business strategy as said in article means 100% they will leave hardware business as soon as possible. can't wait to find wii-u in clearance bins. already in europe no one is carrying wii-u anymore.
It was released in Nov 2011, so from Nov to Dec to Jan to Feb is a third of the year. I was just thinking of how long a console needs to be out before it can be declared dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
I'd eat my hat if this is true. But it's not true. You made that up, just like you've made up every other claim I've seen you advance so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Or rather, it's not true yet. I'm not going to predict where we'll be in 20 years, but this isn't the last console Nintendo makes. It especially doesn't make sense for handhelds, since they've sold some 30 million 3DS's, despite a slow start, and utterly killed the Vita. Want to talk about a dead console, the Vita is more deader than the Wii-U.
All I'm saying is this early "calling it" is mere speculation, and there's no way to tell just yet how the Wii-U will do, whether it'll survive or not. A wait and see strategy (for whom? for what purpose?) is only sensible.
The 3ds one is obviously disappointing for them, but not too bad. The wii u numbers is a hatchet job, there is no way to make that look even remotely good to investors. I still don't think it means DOOOOOOOOOOM, but it means that if Nintendo thought they could give a half assed effort and print money, they are absolutely going to have to wake up to a dose of reality now.
I'm still hoping they keep some respectable sales post Christmas, because I'd like it to be humbling yet healthy for them.
I guess you didn't even bother to readthe article. the 3ds sales are lower than expected even. it also had a slow start, thus the whole 3ds is increidble succes story seems to be bullshit as well. the less said about wii-u the betterQuote:
Originally Posted by opwuaioc
also what else could a new business model mean? same happened with sega
I did. I was counting total numbers, the article was about the fiscal year. Also remember that "lower than expected" != failure. This is pretty basic stuff. Companies adopt new business plans all the time. You can't legitimately say that "new business strategy" = no more hardware. Sega did it, but so have countless others without such a radical endeavor.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Pipe dreams.
It was released November 18th in North America, 30th in Europe, and December 8th in Japan, of 2012. The machine is almost 14 months to the day on the market. They just shrank estimates of sales to 2.8 million instead of 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by opwuaioc
Their total install base of 40 million units has a software sales estimate of 66 million. Nintendo is ultra-fucked here. Nobody is buying their games and they don't command their own price value. They pay retailers to keep Wii U on shelves now.
Nintendo might not abandon hardware, but if they keep operating the same way they are now, they're going to eat a quarter or half of their cash reserves to keep the console alive, and still develop something new in 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile, the 3DS has a software attachment rate that sucks ass.Quote:
I'd eat my hat if this is true. But it's not true. You made that up, just like you've made up every other claim I've seen you advance so far.
Or rather, it's not true yet. I'm not going to predict where we'll be in 20 years, but this isn't the last console Nintendo makes. It especially doesn't make sense for handhelds, since they've sold some 30 million 3DS's, despite a slow start, and utterly killed the Vita. Want to talk about a dead console, the Vita is more deader than the Wii-U.
All I'm saying is this early "calling it" is mere speculation, and there's no way to tell just yet how the Wii-U will do, whether it'll survive or not. A wait and see strategy (for whom? for what purpose?) is only sensible.
Vita is doing no better than Wii U, but PS4 might keep it alive to accomplish that.
Derp, I meant 2012, not 2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
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Their total install base of 40 million units has a software sales estimate of 66 million. Nintendo is ultra-fucked here. Nobody is buying their games and they don't command their own price value. They pay retailers to keep Wii U on shelves now.
Unlike Sega, who couldn't afford to keep the Dreamcast afloat, Nintendo can weather this storm. And if the Wii-U ever picks up steam, they'll be doing OKish, hoping that the next console will do better. They're pretty damn smart about staying in the game, whether it's appealing to US gamers (N64) or to non-gamers (Wii).Quote:
Nintendo might not abandon hardware, but if they keep operating the same way they are now, they're going to eat a quarter or half of their cash reserves to keep the console alive, and still develop something new in 2 or 3 years. Meanwhile, the 3DS has a software attachment rate that sucks ass.
Does the 3DS at all interact with the Wii-U? If not, Ninty needs to get on that. Then again, I haven't heard of anyone talking about getting a Vita for the PS4, either.Quote:
Vita is doing no better than Wii U, but PS4 might keep it alive to accomplish that.
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Originally Posted by opwuaioc
Weathering this storm is impossible. They can't afford it unless they drastically change something. They have no ability to dictate the pricing of their games. This is a rude awakening. The whole place is on fire.
http://i.imgur.com/RRpKv.png
it's not a storm. it's a titanic. the wii-u can't be saved anymore. I don't know how many billions it may have cot them or how large their cash reserves are. anyone knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by opwuaioc
No company wants to keep a system on life support forever.
the wii u either needs to start selling reasonable within this year, or it's likely Nintendo will either pull it, or let it linger in whatever limbo state it turns to.
Even as it stands, this release is going to mark the Wii U as a console for developers to avoid. People aren't buying it, dev's will not spend money on it. If that doesn't start turning around in some way only Nintendo themselves will be making games for it, and they certainly won't be spending money on advertising and shelf space for it for long.
That will relegate the system to the worst spots in stores + loads of shovelware and the rare gem (mostly from Nintendo themselves).
Once it gets to that point, there isn't going to be any coming back from it without some sort of miraculous turn of events... and investors and companies tend not to rely on magic.
They are just in their own self inflicted limbo right now because unlike the PS4/Xbone, they can't just be tossed games as an easy add on development cost. So the wii u requires specific investment in time and resources to re-create many games for. So they will just fall ever further behind the less desirable their system appears to be to consumers.... which will in turn MAKE it less desirable to consumers. It's a pretty ugly spiral down, and only Nintendo throwing money at devs to keep titles coming would have a chance to halt that once it gets to that point.