Actual Genesis $ales vs SNES $ales

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11-06-2013, 08:49 PM
Vector2013

Actual Genesis $ales vs SNES $ales

I brought this up in another thread, but erased it and put it here because I don't think many saw it before and I would like your guys opinion on it. So I figured making a thread for it would get more of a reaction.

I don't think it's totally fair only the model 1 and 2 genesis' were counted at 29 million or so by so many sources while model 1 and 2 snes were counted at 49 million. So model 3 genesis, genesis nomad, cdx/multimega/other, wondermega/x eye/wondermega 2, laserdiscactivemd, aiwa CSD-GM1 boombox, megatec or megaplay, megajet (but by bulk for airlines), megapc, teradrive and more weren't counted (?). Yeah, don't count newer clones, but I think those old varients should count. I think it might be a closer sale comparison if those were counted. It's like Nintendo kept accurate records of snes throughout it's lifetime but Sega and other sources say up to 29 million were sold by 1995. Okay, with other variations and more years I'm sure it sold more than 29 million. In text below a more accurate sold number of about 40 million is counted, why don't more people use this number instead of "29 million sold" ?

Genesis sales numbers
Jump up ^ Worldwide sales
1st party: over 35.4 million[sn 1]
3rd party: 4−5 million[sn 2][sn 3]
Sega Nomad: 1 million[126]

Regional sales
North America: over 22.4−23.4 million (over 20.4 million 1st party[sn 1] + 1−2 million 3rd party[sn 2] + 1 million Sega Nomad[126])
Brazil: 3 million[sn 3]
Japan: 3.58 million[127]
Europe: 8 million[128]
Other: 3.42 million[92] (Left over from initial 29 million,[sn 1] may or may not include overlap with Tec Toy's pre-1995 sales)
Total: 37.4 to over 41.4 million

Sales notes

^ Jump up to: a b c d By the end of 1994 the Sega Genesis had sold 29 million units worldwide, with 14 million of those in North America.[92] These numbers have been further published by multiple other sources, including IGN.[129][82] Sega continued to sell the Genesis worldwide through 1997.[1][2]

Disparate sources from a variety of magazines provide a more detailed history of Sega's first party North American sales through 1997, totaling over 20.4 million. The New York Times stated in 1998: "the company sold some 20 million 16-bit Genesis consoles in the United States alone".[130]

North American sales history
1989-1990: 1.2 million[131]
1991: 1.6 million[132]
1992: 4.5 million[133]
1993: 5.5 million[134]
1994: over 4 million[135]
1995: 2.1 million[41]
1996: 1.1 million[1]
1997: 400,000[2]
Total: over 20.4 million
^ Jump up to: a b Majesco sold between 1 and 2 million units of their North American-only Genesis 3 by the end of 1998.[124]
^ Jump up to: a b Tec Toy has sold over 3 million units of their own Mega Drives in Brazil (as of July 30th, 2012).[125] However, it is unknown if Tec Toy's pre-1995 sales are included in the initial 29 million or not. The Mega Drive is still produced and sold by Tec Toy to this day.

Genesis sales numbers
49.10 million Super NES units were sold worldwide, with 23.35 million of those units sold in the Americas and 17.17 million in Japan.[4] Although it could not quite repeat the success of the NES, which sold 61.91 million units worldwide,[4] the Super NES was the best-selling console of its era.
11-06-2013, 09:02 PM
Vector2013

Got a pm, by "cdx/other" I meant this.

http://img181.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto...4032802065.jpg
11-06-2013, 09:07 PM
Bottino

I forsee a shitstorm coming to this thread.
Brace yourselves.
11-06-2013, 09:10 PM
Vector2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottino

I forsee a shitstorm coming to this thread.
Brace yourselves.

Ha, why is that Bottino? And how would that be any different from other threads here ? Just wanted to know if you think other variants should count or just genesis model 1, 2, (I guess 3 is counted by wiki but not other sources)?

Release date

JP October 29, 1988
NA August 14, 1989
PAL November 30, 1990

Discontinued

WW 1997 (Sega)[1][2]

NA 1999 (Majesco)

Units sold
Estimated from 37.4 to over 41.4 million[s 1]
11-06-2013, 09:21 PM
NeoVamp

This is how I always feel during those long long loooooooong discussions about who went on sale when and where
and why who and what had better sales between the time of where and when.
11-06-2013, 09:22 PM
Bottino

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vector

Ha, why is that Bottino? And how would that be any different from other threads here ? Just wanted to know if you think other variants should count or just genesis model 1, 2, (I guess 3 is counted by wiki but not other sources)?

Release date

JP October 29, 1988
NA August 14, 1989
PAL November 30, 1990

Discontinued

WW 1997 (Sega)[1][2]

NA 1999 (Majesco)

Units sold
Estimated from 37.4 to over 41.4 million[s 1]

You misunderstand me.
I appreciate your effort and i agree with the sales figure around 40 million units.

It's just there's some people that absolutely cannot tolerate that and assume that any number, that's not published by the mainstream media, is a lie.
11-06-2013, 09:29 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

Didn't we go over this topic years ago? Everyone here knows the 29 Million number is BS. It's a number from 1994, so it's how many systems were sold as of 1994. One only needs to remember that the Genesis was still being sold by Sega (and later Majesco), well into 2000 to know that the 29 Million number is not right.
11-06-2013, 09:34 PM
Vector2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bottino

You misunderstand me.

I apologize then.

Quote:

I appreciate your effort and i agree with the sales figure around 40 million units.

Thank you.

Quote:

It's just there's some people that absolutely cannot tolerate that and assume that any number, that's not published by the mainstream media, is a lie.

Okay, I'm not really interested sega 16 vs nintendoage people signing up to sega 16 here barking over 30 million vs 50 million or 40 million vs 50 million or even 50 million vs 50 million +, but just if you guys think the other variants should count on total. And why so many sources are stuck on this 29 million vs 50 million inaccurate sales number figure. It's always like year after year, Sega gets slowly chiseled away from history. I'm waiting for "snes was the only 16 bit era machine".
11-06-2013, 09:36 PM
Vector2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Didn't we go over this topic years ago?

I don;t know, signed up here this year.

Quote:

Everyone here knows the 29 Million number is BS. It's a number from 1994, so it's how many systems were sold as of 1994. One only needs to remember that the Genesis was still being sold by Sega (and later Majesco), well into 2000 to know that the 29 Million number is not right.

Okay, mind answering my main question ? Should other variants be counted ?
11-06-2013, 09:41 PM
Bottino

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vector

Okay, mind answering my main question ? Should other variants be counted ?

Well, they were all licensed by Sega, so yes.

The MD that is currently being sold here in Brazil by Tec Toy doesn't count anymore i'm afraid.
It's just a clone that doesn't even have a cartride slot anymore.
11-06-2013, 09:46 PM
Vector2013

Thanks for answering Bo I wanted your opinion indeed, but that quote was directed at Treks. I would say by now around 50 million mds and 60 snes were sold.
11-06-2013, 09:46 PM
tomaitheous

I don't put much stock in the accuracy of sales numbers. Especially since they weren't as important back then (and were mostly used for stock holders and such). But this:

Quote:

1989-1990: 1.2 million[131]

Having been around before and during that time, being a diehard gamer, those numbers make no sense at all for that year (really, it was 1990 since it was released at the tail end of 1989). The NES was still going strong in mid 1990. It took a while for third party titles to start coming out on the console. The 1991 number seems more realistic (though I'd would have assumed lower than 1.6 million). It was only after the second half of 1991 that the Genesis really took off in popularity. And 1992 that it sky rocketed. So 1989-1990 numbers look very suspect and 1991 numbers a ~little~ iffy. Just think about it; it's no small feat to sell 1 million game consoles in a year. Let alone Sega coming out of nowhere (in the US at least, master system was dead in the water and long forgotten early on).
11-06-2013, 09:50 PM
Vector2013

Cool take Tom. Yeah I bought mine in 1989 and I felt the Genesis didn't blow up until sonic AND the review in the 1991/92 EGM buyers guide after it was rated higher than snes with every reviewer comment mentioning "snes has major slowdown". But then once DKC came out, snes got the crown, near end of 16 bit era sort of. Games like Comix Zone and others were slept on. X-Perts and 32 bit era was the nail in the coffin.
11-06-2013, 10:07 PM
Yharnamresident

Vector about time you returned dammit.

I say Donkey Kong didn't do much for the SNES. The SNES was gonna win either way.

Exactly like the PS3 and Xbox 360, you can't have tremendous success in North America and Europe, but then bomb in Japan. The competing console is successful in all regions, and thus will win.
11-06-2013, 10:38 PM
Bottino

Quote:

Originally Posted by azonicrider

Vector about time you returned dammit.

I say Donkey Kong didn't do much for the SNES. The SNES was gonna win either way.

Exactly like the PS3 and Xbox 360, you can't have tremendous success in North America and Europe, but then bomb in Japan. The competing console is successful in all regions, and thus will win.

Well, did MD/Genesis did outsold the Snes in the Americas and Europe.

This "win" thing is very relative.
Who had the market by the balls before the arrival of the MD?Who counted with the biggest fan base installed?Who had the biggest media hype and support?Who had more money? Just look at the scenario that Nintendo had with the NES.
Even against all the that, Sega with the MD took Nintendo toe-to-toe, and brought down it's cartel. Sure there were other actors involved, but they played a small part in this process( such as the PCE in Japan ).
After those years, the market was split and Nintendo was no longer on top.

Sure, Sega droped the ball later, but that's a diferent story.

In conclusion:
If you take by the cold numbers, the Snes "won".
If you take all those things stated above, the MD "won".

And if you take by the overall quality of the hardware, games , etc.: the Mega Dri... i mean, that's up to you to decide:)

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