Actual Genesis $ales vs SNES $ales

I try to avoid all this drama by sticking with my NEO-GEO AES.

I honestly wonder why people keep bringing this stupid topic up. The Genesis and SNES were obviously evenly split in sales for the whole time both were on the market. Only in 1991 and maybe 1992 did Sega have any kind of substantial lead and they never recovered the costs of all of their hardware/software development and overmarketing to break Nintendo's monopoly.

Whether or not Majesco sold an extra few million, or hell even all of the crappy clones today outsell Famiclones, is completely irrelevant. Well, I actually would like to see which crappy clone sells the best for giggles.

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Originally Posted by Vector

Made this for shits and giggles.

http://i41.tinypic.com/fnzl0w.jpg

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And even further, we believe there was another 16-bit console

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Grafx1%262.jpg

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Originally Posted by azonicrider

And even further, we believe there was another 16-bit console

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No dude, that's 8bit.

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

No dude, that's 8bit.

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Oh no you didn't.

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Originally Posted by sheath

I honestly wonder why people keep bringing this stupid topic up. The Genesis and SNES were obviously evenly split in sales for the whole time both were on the market. Well, I actually would like to see which crappy clone sells the best for giggles.

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Originally Posted by Vector

Okay, I'm not really interested sega 16 vs nintendoage people signing up to sega 16 here barking over 30 million vs 50 million or 40 million vs 50 million or even 50 million vs 50 million +, but just if you guys think the other variants should count on total. And why so many sources are stuck on this 29 million vs 50 million inaccurate sales number figure. It's always like year after year, Sega gets slowly chiseled away from history. I'm waiting for "snes was the only 16 bit era machine".

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:p

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Shooters are not popular. Mainstream/casual retro lists aren't based on what was considered great at any one given time decades ago. They also base 8 & 16-bit history around Nintendo, since it is the peak of quality gaming. They only cite specific Nintendo games and then blindly pair rival console games to them. They never list the many great games or genres that the SNES can't be matched to. Since the SNES is so weak for shooters, they don't generally get mentioned.

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Then you should take a look at their 2D shooter list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQA_HR3JKk

"So Nintendo did the SNES Final Fight conversion and not Capcom? "
Well no, I was just thinking about Nintendo as the owner of the SNES and hence the ones making game release strategic decisions...

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Originally Posted by Bottino

My point was that we need to deconstruct this notion that Nintendo created everything in the video game world, and other companies like Sega were just playing catch all the time with it.

Here's the general public perception:
http://www.ign.com/top-25-consoles/4.html
"Developer Rare continued to push the console in its later years with the help of Nintendo, introducing larger cart sizes with Donkey Kong Country, and a flood of third party support pushed the Super Nintendo to legendary status with games like Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, Gradius III, Contra III, Mega Man X, Secret of Mana, and many, many more. When it comes to a pure concentration of AAA titles, few consoles – if any – can stand up to the Super NES"


If on the Snes we have Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger, on the MD we have Phantasy Star and Shining Force.For Gradius III( really?)we have Thunder Force, MUSHA, Eliminate Down etc..For Contra III we have Hard Corps( a much better game in my opinion) ,Gunstar Heroes or Alien Soldier .For Secret of Mana, we have something like Beyond Oasis. For Mega Man X, we have Revenge of Shinobi or perhaps Rocket Knight Adventures.

The big diference is that everyone knows those Snes titles, but not so much about the MD ones.Why?
On sheath's Gamepilgrimage, he made this statement:
"The preference for Mega-Corporations and Mega-Publishers are reflected by the media's excessively positive portrayal of the Super Nintendo."

Marketing and media interests helps to create a scenario that doesn't really exist in reality.That goes for everything.
The real Che Guevara is a very different person than the one depicted in history books. The same goes for the civil war that's happening in Syria, etc.

I don't care if people think a particular console is the world's eighth wonder. I just despise manipulation of the facts by media and corporations.

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No matter how badly we want the Megadrive to win the 16-bit war, it will just not happen. The SNES outsold the Megadrive worldwide even before the MD was 'shut down' in 1995. For a long time I've been a Nintendo/SNES hater because of being a proud MD owner.

And yes, MD has high quality, sometimes better, replies to SNES games, just as you cited. But my point is precisely that: they are replies because the SNES was just leading the way.

I kinda agree that history has faded out the MD because of the reasons you pointed out, but maybe that also because those games werent truly original landmarks. That's why Castlevania, SF2', EC, Kid Chameleon (excellent reply to Mario 3), etc etc on MD are less popular games than their SNES counterparts (where applicable).

And yes the MD was better at sports (NFL, NHL, NBA in USA and FIFA in Europe) and shooters (TFIV being the only really popular one, though), but then how do we explain that Super R-Type and F-Zero are more popular than the best MD games in the genre?
My guess is that they were popular arcade franchises (R-Type) and because of the SNES predominant presence from 1994 to 1999ish, which forced everyone to pay more attention to SNES games.

Just look at ROMNation's most downloaded ROMs, seems like a good indicator of who won the battle (Sonic 1 being the first MD rom and being buried down below).


That said, Sega-16 seems fully committed to restore the absence of MD loving in nowadays retrogaming world.

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Originally Posted by chilled

I kinda agree that history has faded out the MD


That said, Sega-16 seems fully committed to restore the absence of MD loving in nowadays retrogaming world.

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Amen

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Just look at ROMNation's most downloaded ROMs, seems like a good indicator of who won the battle (Sonic 1 being the first MD rom and being buried down below).

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Makes sense. Whichever console's roms are being downloaded the most today is proof of who won a console war 20 years ago.

http://i41.tinypic.com/t5rnfl.jpg

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Originally Posted by azonicrider

Then you should take a look at their 2D shooter list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxQA_HR3JKk

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I didn't see any MD or PCE shooters in that list, but there were some SNES games. That's my point. They didn't include some of the many MD/PCE shooters that would shame SNES entries, because there would then be no point of including SNES games at all.

30-50 years from now on IGN, it'll be like:

There is a very small group among gaming historians claiming that there were actually other consoles that existed before and alongside the NES and SNES. The only proof they could offer were old photos of these strange, black boxes. Since no evidence of more than 64 colors or zelda could be produced, we have to conclude that these weird "not-videogames" were some other, less fun form of entertainment.

There's many that i despise.
A piece of eletronic is definetely not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

I didn't see any MD or PCE shooters in that list, but there were some SNES games. That's my point. They didn't include some of the many MD/PCE shooters that would shame SNES entries, because there would then be no point of including SNES games at all.

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That's the type of shit that i was talking about.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

Makes sense. Whichever console's roms are being downloaded the most today is proof of who won a console war 20 years ago.

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Well... yes. romnation's been online for years now and the list is not your typical last weeks most downloaded games, it's an all-time most downloaded roms.

As for shooters, maybe in that case it's just a matter of were all the attention was going at the time (and now). Plus Nintendo having more popular franchises (third parties or not). Quality aside, R-Type is much more well-known in gaming history than Thunder Force, come on.

And when you hear about Castlevania or Contra, in the abscene of context, you inmediately think Nintendo or SNES. That's proof they won.

I also think we Sega fans are also a bit (just a tiny bit) responsible for the fading out of the MD catalogue. I really think we should be praising more the virtues of our own unique original treasures (with and without capital 'T'...) instead of debating ports and endless SNES/Amiga/PC comparisons. Not that I dont like SF2 but heck, we should be talking 24/7 about the true unique exclusive gems of the MD: Eternal Champions, Sonic, TF4, Gunstar, Comix Zone, Vectorman, PSIV, Sor2, Beyond Oasis, Landstalker, Kid Chameleon, etc.

Or maybe the only one that is. Ecco the dolphin.