Games with an extra foreground layer/pseudo-layer (a.k.a. foreground parallax)?

I'm just trying to build a list of games featuring that "trick". Suggestions are welcome.
Easy-to-read version: http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/conten...ard-definition

The list until now*:
Aero the Acro-Bat 2 (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/xaZsgyxJzyE*** | youtu.be/aT7sRSCPogg?t=14m5s***
Alien Soldier (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/d_C4poYiz0k | youtu.be/3DezQgPPD3I
Alisia Dragoon (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/wdiSnneMrLQ?t=13m48s
Altered Beast (1988)
Demo: youtu.be/4LDI_XRwezA?t=1m12s
Arrow Flash (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/eUp3Xpt7eB8?t=1m6s | youtu.be/eUp3Xpt7eB8?t=3m28s
Art of Fighting (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/WB7aeGOtDYo?t=9m26s
Asterix and the Great Rescue (1993)
Demo:youtu.be/h1hOJ0tLNo4?t=2m34s
Asterix and the Power of the Gods (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/WowqaANEZLo?t=3m40s | youtu.be/WowqaANEZLo?t=50m20s
Batman (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/LN3edTR7Xb4?t=11s
Batman Forever (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/NiAwnb-2q0o?t=1m29s
Batman Returns (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/FQOk-p_k0_c?t=5m2s***
Battle Mania: Daiginjou (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/rZ5cexuBW2Q?t=31m37s
Battle Squadron (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/XnJmse4h8TY?t=4m26s
Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/F5uV_nJ3SoI?t=7m37s | youtu.be/fxxT5YAdLYI?t=56s | youtu.be/fxxT5YAdLYI?t=5m37s
Blades of Vengeance (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/wN6X3BbPYRY?t=2m30s
Bram Stoker's Dracula (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/sUciMmBV1cY?t=7m
Bubba 'n' Stix (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/ojuuzSd6ziE?t=33s
Cheese Cat-Astrophe Starring Speedy Gonzales (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/AAcb9KJl5c4?t=1m59s
Chelnov (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/sw8P5AEDln0?t=7m33s
Chester Cheetah: Too Cool To Fool (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/lktMpRHItuc?t=2m10s
Chester Cheetah: Wild Wild Quest (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/ifZiILfxBk0?t=11s
Chuck Rock II: Son of Chuck (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/BIjqmQRmbwo?t=11m12s
Contra: Hard Corps (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/_mV5PhYxaaU?t=4m33s | youtu.be/smDF1-p743g?t=9m44s | youtu.be/smDF1-p743g?t=11m27s
Crystal's Pony Tale (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/dycnfHXZ8Rw?t=2m27s
Desert Demolition Starring Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/sbf1rSxp500?t=7m8s
Disney's Aladdin (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/9VR8acEbLV0?t=19m51s | youtu.be/9VR8acEbLV0?t=35m45s
Disney's Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Quest (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/MfEgvJF_GaE?t=4m18s | youtu.be/MfEgvJF_GaE?t=4m29s
Disney's Beauty and the Beast: Roar of the Beast (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/wyG7xxXrQt8?t=1m33s | youtu.be/MfEgvJF_GaE?t=15m7s
Disney's Bonkers (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/NXkp1ImxiIY?t=1m25s
Disney's Pinocchio (1996)
Demo: youtu.be/Gn5fOJqTscI?t=15m3s | youtu.be/f5fXmfmKyBI?t=4s***
Disney's Pocahontas (1996)
Demo: youtu.be/zj4gOd4kffg?t=31m27s***
Disney's The Lion King (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/Zp0FploW1Os?t=50m51s
Disney's Toy Story (1996)
Demo: youtu.be/p5L-YtrQg5k?t=13m53s
DJ Boy (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/kAhHjImK-FY?t=37s | youtu.be/my99_m2f3sU?t=6m23s
Doom Troopers (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/GkhOWn2SVQ4?t=7m5s
Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/0isP6gr9S3Q?t=5m34s | youtu.be/0isP6gr9S3Q?t=6m8s
Dragon's Lair (1993 - Previously Unreleased)
Demo: youtu.be/S9xWbIhC-0Q?t=21s***
Dynamite Headdy (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/LHTWLcaJXcE?t=7m15s
Earnest Evans (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/lxxPbyAb0Ac?t=12m10s
Earthworm Jim (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/rmhJAFsQVhM?t=1m38s
Earthworm Jim 2 (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/EretZPOQHM0?t=1m59s
Eliminate Down (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/xT38VjKxOZI?t=1m33s
ESWAT: Cyber Police (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/VaK7ofbGIcw?t=6m10s***
Eternal Champions (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/6g9cab6qibc?t=7m46s | youtu.be/w9RoU32zO68?t=37s | youtu.be/BbZhFxFgAr4?t=35s
Ex-Mutants (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/3TeddbM2xgc?t=29s | youtu.be/b6kaXN5Cwmk?t=27s | youtu.be/f8yOKgCv7F8?t=25s
Exo-Squad (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/INnOE0Tbsug?t=2m50s*** | youtu.be/KgQjtx8tkI8?t=38s***
Fantasia (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/Mx04FvJUPdA?t=54s
Fatal Fury (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/o5GovV0c3pk?t=1m54s***
Fatal Fury 2 (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/FY2z477usHw?t=2m51s
Flink (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/lxa3LtzRfDg?t=1m30s
Gaiares (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/fonV4oT4haw?t=5m44s
Garfield: Caught in the Act (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/EO4vwfg6Ie0?t=9m10s | youtu.be/jvL5J7G_yJI?t=13m46s
Gargoyles (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/wzW0aP771Kw?t=4m7s***
Golden Axe (1989)
Demo: youtu.be/Yr8-woRCEiM?t=4m46s | youtu.be/Yr8-woRCEiM?t=10m25s
Golden Axe III (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/SODJu5CvlhY?t=9m33s
Gunstar Heroes (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/sk7pt--94ko?t=15m | youtu.be/sk7pt--94ko?t=47m4s
Gynoug (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/MWBMUNKUyzo?t=10m2s
Heavy Nova (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/1VlfPZ-LUA4?t=10m38s
Magical * Taruruuto-kun (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/ACJDs805nKc?t=2m11s
Maou Renjishi (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/CgAGrZLzTbA?t=6m5s
Marko's Magic Football (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/YJnkIee-7ag?t=6m46s
Marsupilami (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/U-ugr85SWDQ?t=1m39s
Mazin Saga Mutant Fighter (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/dYdnP10TIj8?t=3m12s
McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/hiozOQWed6o?t=1m48s
Mega Turrican (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/Tp5XlH90Sgc?t=38m7s
Michael Jackson's Moonwalker (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/zk1C0AhshtU?t=7m51s
Mick & Mack as the Global Gladiators (1992)
Demo:youtu.be/TwT9UlOrYiI?t=1m57s
Mickey Mania (1994)
Demo:youtu.be/inCunWkTllA?t=1m20s
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/fPQ4eiSJ4sI?t=1m55s
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/170Lp542McU?t=2m34s | youtu.be/LPY1B8bN7lI?t=8m32s
Monster World IV (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/CX5_pBnADfY?t=4m45s***
Mortal Kombat 3 (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/IIc0zPyeXFI?t=13m13s
Mr. Nutz (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/VGFh_-claYs?t=1h2m48s***
Mr. Nutz 2 (1994 - Previously Unreleased)
Demo: youtu.be/dR8bL9dMuHI?t=50m31s***
Mystic Defender (1989)
Demo: youtu.be/cujc_0c7MYs?t=2m7s
Outlander (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/OHPB_IxEDSA?t=5m3s
Phantasy Star II (1989)
Demo: youtu.be/eoUL9AdKrEY?t=7m55s | youtu.be/eoUL9AdKrEY?t=14m48s
Pink Goes to Hollywood (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/M5DkoZ8kOv8?t=9s
Psycho Pinball (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/d630TiyrH9U?t=1m36s
Puggsy (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/ztkNek9MNgw?t=6m33s***
Pulseman (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/qiZCl1iDhLw?t=6m33s | youtu.be/S9-rb0Sh5HU?t=1m27s
Ranger X (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/Z8A2Yyg3eAs?t=1m54s| youtu.be/JHmRyankggk
Red Zone (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/NQxU2CIVb3c?t=7m57s
Ristar (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/vM0jSdPxe3o?t=10m20s
Rolling Thunder 3 (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/ufsqktw34DI?t=6m29s
Second Samurai (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/uWAMPtEcBFU?t=40m9s***
Shadow of the Beast (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/m2peJvG0MUc?t=6s
Shaq Fu (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/YmpDh2sTc2s?t=2m
Sol-Deace (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/BhuVh-nalCs?t=16s
Soleil (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/4NIXM0sFATo?t=2m57s | youtu.be/D9DNIpSVjLc?t=10m15s | youtu.be/Wmvp59p86Po?t=4m48s
Sonic The Hedgehog (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/x7PGguaSD5k
Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/IRQ1QTA1YTc
Sonic The Hedgehog 3 (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/gnokWaBb16s?t=1m30s
Splatterhouse Part 2 (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/H2rv4cf87lg?t=13m25s | youtu.be/H2rv4cf87lg?t=19m34s | youtu.be/H2rv4cf87lg?t=31m26s
Street Fighter II' Plus: Champion Edition (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/S8KsOFYB75M?t=5m20s
Streets of Rage (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/H_Iu9mJbHWE?t=40m16s
Streets of Rage 2 (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/rxg1ofbrISU?t=5s
Streets of Rage 3 (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/17WJhdscUhQ?t=3m6s
Sunset Riders (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/l_nACIsPNXM?t=1m36s
Super Airwolf (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/-3DM4Ob68IA?t=2m59s
Super Smash T.V. (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/qoh_tREhoLI?t=1m25s
Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/RermPMEp8MM?t=2m14s
Sword of Sodan (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/_ABEaPRCydI?t=1m59s | youtu.be/_ABEaPRCydI?t=4m53s | youtu.be/_ABEaPRCydI?t=6m40s
Taz in Escape from Mars (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/MJhaVvKIx4k?t=26m21s*** | youtu.be/MJhaVvKIx4k?t=39m23s***
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Return of the Shredder (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/Ditki1yqF3Q?t=7s
The Adventures of Batman & Robin (1995)
Demo: youtube.com/watch?v=C3KO3bBPjg0
The Great Circus Mystery (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/l5MWaxbzIuw?t=8s*** | youtu.be/fs7Kntk78Nw?t=1m30s***
The Pirates of Dark Water (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/SLxqWFw2tTc?t=1h3m23s***
The Ren & Stimpy Show Presents: Stimpy's Invention (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/TJ8q_ouyZxo?t=2m15s
The Super Shinobi (1989)
Demo: youtu.be/77-jO0NVahk?t=14s
The Super Shinobi II (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/STdb3YDwuEg?t=13s
Thunder Force IV (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/UMB-OAodJ4w?t=1m56s
Time Dominator 1st (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/SRl8UNzmGpk?t=7m10s***
Time Trax (1994 - Previously Unreleased)
Demo: youtu.be/hHS-JvSPfgk?t=3m28s*** | youtu.be/hHS-JvSPfgk?t=7m40s***
ToeJam & Earl in Panic on Funkotron (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/HshXSNqM9cI?t=11m30s | youtu.be/Ya_OPSPRKDI?t=14m32s
Tom Mason's Dinosaurs for Hire (1993)
Demo: youtu.be/j-MtPtZwgF8?t=2m20s
Toxic Crusaders (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/99w2RdyoiT4?t=1m29s
Vampire Killer (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/YVP1I7l9PJ0?t=32s | youtu.be/YVP1I7l9PJ0?t=18m| youtu.be/YVP1I7l9PJ0?t=28m25s
Vectorman (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/IORZ49e-b1U?t=19m5s | youtu.be/IORZ49e-b1U?t=23m21s | youtu.be/IORZ49e-b1U?t=31m27s
Vectorman 2 (1996)
Demo: youtu.be/NsC__n59jmI?t=14m6s
X-Men 2: Clone Wars (1995)
Demo: youtu.be/Kg57aoaG7Sc | youtu.be/VnBTzkVrVJ0?t=19m46s
Whip Rush (1990)
Demo: youtu.be/Oh2yym2VRuk?t=1m41s
Wonder Boy V: Monster World III (1991)
Demo: youtu.be/KEtumiBjpqQ?t=8m41s
World of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck (1992)
Demo: youtu.be/z14tilKYHL8?t=2m15s
Yogi Bear's Cartoon Capers (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/Z4r5SXXk-VU?t=40m54s***
Yuu Yuu Hakusho: Makyo Toitsusen (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/MnCG84LmgMQ?t=1m11s
Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel (1994)
Demo: youtu.be/ZVTkFVcFHfg?t=37m27s*** | youtu.be/ZVTkFVcFHfg?t=46m34s***

Total: 127 games
Gameplay demos are from real hardware unless stated otherwise.
***Only emulated gameplay videos are available for this part of the game.
Thanks.

Mazin Saga and Fantasia both have it:

Mazin Saga Mutant Fighter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMicDBvwIA#t=16m00s

Fantasia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRVm4davuf8#t=0m25s

Awesome thread idea. Here is a bit that I worked on a few years back. Some of it will include foreground scrolling, some will just be about priority between background layers. I will attempt to only list the games with foreground objects.

http://gendev.spritesmind.net/forum/...asc&highlight=

Sonic 2, Aquatic Ruin, 10 scrolls plus palette swap line for water.
Layer A is the player ground and palette swap line.
Layer B is the foreground foliage (can see layer A through leaves)
Layer B is also split into 9 scrolls behind Layer A
Over half of the layers scroll at independent speeds smoothly
Some of the scrolls in the foliage behind layer A scroll every other frame.

Ranger X, First Level, 7 scrolls
Layer A is the player ground
Layer A is is the mid range background including:
1 Hillside scroll behind brick wall
2 Ruins Wall at base of mountain range (every 2-3 frames)
3 Mountain Range with city being bombed (every 2-3 frames)
Layer B is large bricks in front of player ground
Layer B is brick wall behind player ground
Layer B is far background with mountain range and sunset

Lightening Force L1 4-6 scrolls on screen including line scroll water as 1
Layer A is multiple cloud scrolls in front and behind Layer B clouds
Layer A is Rocks in foreground at bottom of playfield
Layer A is clouds scroll in front of Layer B mountain range at center
Layer A is clouds scroll behind Layer B mountain range at center
Layer B is multiple cloud scrolls overlapped with Layer A clouds at top
Layer B is mountain range at center
Layer B is line scroll water at bottom behind Layer A rocks

Shinobi III L1 5 Scrolls sprites connect trunks in 4th with tree tops
Layer A is player ground which doubles for foreground tree cover at top
Layer B is 4 scrolls:
Grass behind player ground
Grass with dirt patches behind scroll 1
Grass with tree trunks behind scroll 2 and tree cover at top of screen
Far background forest

Redzone
Redzone mixes sprites with Layer A & B to complete the rotating ground effect, the FMV in the intro, and the "high color" title screen. It seems like no image is complete without all layers on.

Batman & Robin L1 just two layers with line scrolling in both
Layer B is linescrolled building and player ground
Layer A is line scrolled smoke/fog and overlayed "shadow/Hilight"
Shadow/Hilight effect darkens entire layer B

MUSHA Intro 6-7 scrolls on screen at once
Layer A is characters and objects
Layer B is 5 mountain range scrolls
Layer B is far background (doubles as reflection on glasses)

For Ristar L1 I count 10 eight line scrolls plus one line scroll
Layer A is player ground
Layer B is the following scrolls:
Green leaves behind player ground
Purple foliage behind green leaves scroll
Pastel treeline with linescrolling water
Pink mountain range
Far background mountain range
Clouds bottom layer top
Cloud middle layer top
Clouds top layer top

To be analyzed:
Contra HardCorps
Castlevania Bloodlines
Formula 1 (Domark)
Kawasaki Superbike
Mickey Mania
Newman Haas IndyCar
Road Rash
Sonic 3D Blast
Street Racer (E)
Toy Story

Bare Knuckle III has a nice case of that going on in the first level.


http://www.emuparadise.me/Sega%20Gen...%20%28J%29.png

Oh yeah, Streets of Rage 1 and 2 have segments with foreground objects.

Does Crusader of Centy count? In the Rafflesia training grounds, foreground layer of tree branches for an over-head effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Drs9enZjs

Earnest Evans has a funky example, with a chain in the foreground that scrolls vertically but not horizontally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxPbyAb0Ac#t=12m10s

(Replaced video with one captured from real hardware.)

Also it's subtle, but if my eyes don't deceive me, Altered Beast also uses this effect throughout the game.

Quick reply (a detailed one will come later) :
Thanks to all you guys! Awesome!!!!!!!!111111
I'll rep those which the forum allows me to...
I'm checking all suggestions and adding them already; I've also added several games by myself.

Don't mind about emulated videos, I'll try to find real hardware footage myself. Just think about suggesting the games and, if possible, indicate where the foreground parallax occurs.

Keep up the good work! :rock:

I don't know if this counts, but here you go:



(Around 3:00)

Hehe, the guy playing the game complains about it :D.

I believe that Yu Yu Hakusho Makyo Toitsusen has that in some stages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhI3tNhnXfs

edit: I thought that the trees in Rampage Edition were, but i was mistaken.
Time Trax uses in the first level ( with the spider webs ) i suppose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8RJ1BRDljo

Dynamite Headdy ( real hardware ) at 07:18 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHTWLcaJXcE

Splatterhouse 2 at 00:18, 7:30 , 08:20 , 12:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-G4zCsK41I

Aladdin at 10:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBhOHS0U1Cs

Helps to have something fresh in your memory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEtumiBjpqQ&t=8m42s

Your first video reference for Crusader of Centy, a review by Slime TV, I stumbled upon it awhile ago and just played it over and over; was an entertaining review but in the intro there is a sound clip to a song that sounded so cool I couldn't wrap my head around what game it was from, drove me nuts! Anyways, was burning some time last night laying on my couch, and decided to play the OST to Castlevania Rondo of Blood before I called it a night. Boom! This song hit the speakers and I was psyched, like finding a twenty dollar bill in the drive way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrn0zJCq088&list=PLC80981F647D97D1E

Anyways, two more possible leads:

Gunstar Heroes has a few but this stands out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EQGIPW2cOs
Pulseman again has a few examples but mostly at 0:58:00: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtoBY2S2zzo

Mickey Mania 4:18

Only listing single examples from each game. Videos from various hardware.


Super Street Fighter II (Zangief Stage) 1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ3bb...etailpage#t=84

Street Fighter II Special Champion Edition (Zangief Stage) 2:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhgiw...tailpage#t=119

Vectorman at 25:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcL_k...ailpage#t=1516

Vectorman 2 at 15:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qixx...tailpage#t=913

Battle Mania at 32:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...exuBW2Q#t=1936

Eternal Champions at Blades' stage 06:53 , Midknight's 08:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUw5l8wuxy0

Ren and Stmpy game has some

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Originally Posted by goldenband

Earnest Evans has a funky example, with a chain in the foreground that scrolls vertically but not horizontally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxPbyAb0Ac#t=12m10s

(Replaced video with one captured from real hardware.)

Also it's subtle, but if my eyes don't deceive me, Altered Beast also uses this effect throughout the game.

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Here's an Altered Beast vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQvCbM_bolE

Looks like foreground parallax is present in every stage except the fourth one.

I'm trying to remember if there was any other FG parallax in Earnest Evans -- not sure. I think the chain qualifies, though?

I think Splatter House 2 has some smatterings of this, definitely in the first stage, and later on too I believe.

EDIT: someone already mentioned this. Sorry!

CrossFire has some on top-down stages where you have to rescue a hostage (but not in other top-down stages). http://youtu.be/PQge7bzu47U?t=28m38s

I knew Phantasy Star IV had it too ( at 54:05 ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPMxoOdO_Io

^It doesn't scroll at different speed, so it's not parallax. But later in the game I think there is, when you are in the Lassic dungeon from Phantasy Star (first game) and another floor is seen below you.

Btw, I don't think this is so tricky to do, just put foreground layer at top priority and make it scroll at different speed.

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Mazin Saga Mutant Fighter
Fantasia

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I've added both, thanks!

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To be analyzed:

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Thanks for the shitload of suggestions, most of them were added, yes.
Some of the later suggestions were off IMO.

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Bare Knuckle III has a nice case of that going on in the first level.

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Good one, thanks!

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Originally Posted by sheath

Oh yeah, Streets of Rage 1 and 2 have segments with foreground objects.

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The first one just has static stuff; not applicable.

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Does Crusader of Centy count?

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IMO yes, added. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

Earnest Evans has a funky example

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That game is really an oddball, isn't it?
Added.

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I don't know if this counts, but here you go

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IMO, yes. Good one, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Bottino

I thought that the trees in Rampage Edition were, but i was mistaken.

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That game has tons of parallax/line scrolling in that part but it's not exactly what I'm looking for.
If you want to see some good footage of that game, here: http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...l=1#post618767
Thanks a lot for the other suggestions, all good. You made me proud of my Brazilian fellas, hehe.
That channel which has the "Classic Capture" videos is awesome, one of the very few where the guys have some good knowledge about the PS1 imports.

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That one was totally unexpected! Great! Thanks.

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Gunstar Heroes

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Feels like all side scrolling games from Treasure do have foreground parallax.

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Mickey Mania 4:18

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Classic! Thanks.

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Only listing single examples from each game. Videos from various hardware.

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Great contribution! Thanks.

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Eternal Champions

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That was a no-brainer. Thanks.

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Ren and Stmpy game has some

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Wow, good suggestion. Thanks.

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Here's an Altered Beast

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Yeah, SOJ was pushing the parallax thing all the time.

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CrossFire

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Great! I'd never remembered about that game... Added as "Super Airwolf".

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I knew Phantasy Star IV had it too

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What Zebbe said.

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Btw, I don't think this is so tricky to do, just put foreground layer at top priority and make it scroll at different speed.

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I think it depends on the sort of game we're talking about.
For mostly static isometric games like Phantasy Star II I agree with you.
But for games like Alien Soldier and Thunder Force IV you're pushing the VRAM bandwidth to its limit in several occasions and, then, to add one more foreground "layer" may be a bit more complicated. The same for the Sonic games with that crazy fast scrolling...

Anyway, in games like Ex-Mutants it adds to the level design IMO and makes the game a lot more pleasant to the eyes. Technically it isn't something hard to do, I agree, but not all developers cared enough about the games to try to push the graphics a bit more or improve the level design in such aspect.
Also, you can see that most of the games in the list are great looking ones (and most of them are also good to play); so it ends up being a good parameter to analyze how much care and attention to detail were put into those games.


List updated. We already have 67 games!
I've added tons of games aside the suggested ones but, for now, I can't remember about any other game with foreground parallax...
Thanks a lot for the contribution, guys! I've tried to rep everyone that contributed to the list.

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I think it depends on the sort of game we're talking about.
For mostly static isometric games like Phantasy Star II I agree with you.
But for games like Alien Soldier and Thunder Force IV you're pushing the VRAM bandwidth to its limit in several occasions and, then, to add one more foreground "layer" may be a bit more complicated. The same for the Sonic games with that crazy fast scrolling...

Anyway, in games like Ex-Mutants it adds to the level design IMO and makes the game a lot more pleasant to the eyes. Technically it isn't something hard to do, I agree, but not all developers cared enough about the games to try to push the graphics a bit more or improve the level design in such aspect.
Also, you can see that most of the games in the list are great looking ones (and most of them are also good to play); so it ends up being a good parameter to analyze how much care and attention to detail were put in those games.

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Good points. Never thought about VRAM bandwidth.

Off topic: I have to say I initially thought about a third fake background layer when I saw this topic. As seen on Hydrocity Zone and Mushroom Hill Zone of S3&K. Also commonly used in PC Engine games, but only to add a second layer, and it often looks shitty then. They do something like animating the background layer as the screen scrolls, to make it seem like there is a third layer back there. Do you happen to know if there are other games that do this? If so, perhaps it's worth another thread.

Does Osomatsu-Kun: Hachamecha Gekijou count? There are multiple layers of parallax, but the foreground layer is tied to the closest background layer (it doesn't travel at a different speed), so the character walks between them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yKWEi5tBe4#t=1m0s

Super Smash TV, when the player goes from the opening stage to the first room...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSvpHErhhRE

One more, Monster World IV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j_zANW5668

Why is a foreground layer called a "trick" ?

I didn't see Exo-Squad on the list.

The second stage at 8:00 has foreground parallax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3bKHtVsq8

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It's not as simple as just calling it a foreground layer Vector, the trick here is that you have 2 layers.

1 (front)

2 (back)

now lets say you want to create the illusion of depth, so lets look at a typical screen.

http://www.emuparadise.me/Sega%20Gen...%20%28J%29.png

in this screen there's 4 different kinds of scrolling going on, yet there's only 2 layers!

if you look at the crates on the complete front you might ask, what layer do these belong too?
well they belong to the back layer, but with some program trickery they are brought to the front
and given a different moving speed.

It really sets apart the game that had great programmers.

So "trick" because it involves extra coding that is possible but often not used because it involves.. coding trickery?

I dunno.

inb4 I knew all this but thanks.

Batman Forever and Garfield have levels with foreground parallax.

Thanks Neo, never knew that for games like Shinobi 3 / Super Shinobi 2 and others. But here is my question, why don't the clouds move (like in snes version) on Blanka stage and water not move in Ken stage in sf2's ? Oh, the same reason the audio sucks, capcom is lazy sometimes ?

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But here is my question, why don't the clouds move (like in snes version) on Blanka stage and water not move in Ken stage in sf2's ?

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I just checked Blanka's stage in Gens Kmod, and it seems that there's 2 kinds of scrolling going on.

the front area, where you stand on, and the huts in the back. (they move a little slower to imply depth)

Looks like they ran out of layer tricks, so they choice for the huts instead of the clouds.

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Oh, the same reason the audio sucks, capcom is lazy sometimes ?

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Nope, sometimes you're forced to choose.
You want this? then we lose that, you want to keep this? then we lose that other part.

LIMITATIOOOOOOONS :p

Everybody is always talking about "OMG Super SF2 sound suuuuuuuuuucks" but they forget that Capcom used that trick,
where they use the music channel to play sfx, so you can have 2 people shouting HADOKEN HADOKEN! without one being cut off.

however this causes the music to have less.. channels? I don't remember.

You gain some you lose some.

Now what I'm more curious about is why the Snes Super SF2 doesn't have moving clouds anymore when classic SF2 did.

I would love to hear more about the Blanka stage from people who know more about this then I do,
I'm not all that familiar with the technical terms and would love to hear it explained by people who know this stuff better then me.

So, ~1/7 of the U.S. releases on this console have this effect, at some point, so far.

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Thanks Neo, never knew that for games like Shinobi 3 / Super Shinobi 2 and others. But here is my question, why don't the clouds move (like in snes version) on Blanka stage and water not move in Ken stage in sf2's ? Oh, the same reason the audio sucks, capcom is lazy sometimes ?

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Capcom sucked at programming should be the answer. They seemed to have a good team here and there that could make something new, like SF2 on the SNES, and the rest of their teams just recycled it or ported badly (SF2 on the Genesis). That said, extra moving objects on the Genesis versions' backgrounds should have been easy to implement with the VDP's layer priorities and cell/line scrolling. Does the SNES game even use one of the three background layer modes?

I did some of this in Dragon's Lair (though not a lot) - dunno if you want to count it. There are foreground posts which move horizontally at faster speeds than the main playfield.
If you look closely, they also animate - we tried to give a more 3d impresison by changing the shading on them as they moved by.

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I did some of this in Dragon's Lair (though not a lot) - dunno if you want to count it. There are foreground posts which move horizontally at faster speeds than the main playfield.
If you look closely, they also animate - we tried to give a more 3d impresison by changing the shading on them as they moved by.

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This one here? ;) It think it looked very nice, a shame that the game was never finished.
Starts at 00:29.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuXDz7rrkw

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Capcom sucked at programming should be the answer. They seemed to have a good team here and there that could make something new, like SF2 on the SNES, and the rest of their teams just recycled it or ported badly (SF2 on the Genesis). That said, extra moving objects on the Genesis versions' backgrounds should have been easy to implement with the VDP's layer priorities and cell/line scrolling. Does the SNES game even use one of the three background layer modes?

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I still think that they never gave their best on the MD, primarily beacuse they were deep in Nintendo's pocket's since the NES days ( similar to what happened with Konami-Sony and the Saturn/Dreamcast ). Just look at how many games they released for the Snes and how were released for the MD ( Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the Snes? Really Capcom? )
However, looking back now ,it's amusing to realize that ( speaking of course just from a technichal point of view, because we all know how much the media/mainstreamers love those big-time players ) the MD counterparts of Capcom's games are usually better:

Aladdin ( Virgin )> Aladdin ( Capcom )
X-Men Clone Wars > X-Men Mutant Apocalypse
Streets of Rage > Final Fight/Captain Commando

Not to mention the superb conversion of Strider made by Sega and Street Fighter 2 ( yes, despite Capcom's efforts i find it a superior conversion than the snes one ). Also, that perhaps opened space for companies like Treasure , Technosoft and Game Arts to bring their best game to the playfield.And we all know how that turned out ;)
I never cared much for MegaMan, but having a big name like that on the MD would have been very benefic( with more than Willy Wars of course ).As it would have been great to have Breath of Fire 2 on the MD ( a great game overlooked by the hype of Square's RPGs , and better one IMO )

Yeah, the ones on level 1 are slightly animated, you can se at around 0.40.
(Had to tell people this, cos it's not really not really noticable!)

That seems like a really well designed engine to me. I like the dithered darkness level also. I think I might have actually played this game but don't know anything about it. It isn't based on the SNES game?

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Thanks Neo, never knew that for games like Shinobi 3 / Super Shinobi 2 and others. But here is my question, why don't the clouds move (like in snes version) on Blanka stage and water not move in Ken stage in sf2's ? Oh, the same reason the audio sucks, capcom is lazy sometimes ?

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I wouldnt say audio sucks, all music tracks in SF2SCE are good, and i prefer about half of them over their SNES counterparts. Voices are scratchy, but samples are longer and not as muffled as the SNES ones.
And for all the bad rep SF2SCE gets as a lazy port, technically its better than most japanese fighting game ports that the Megadrive got, and just about the best fighting game on the system.
Could it be better?, of course, we all wish that Capcom had built the MD port from the ground up to fully take advantage of the system, instead of basing it on the SNES port. But it wasnt to be.
Now, MD Super SF2, that one really disapointed me when it comes to sound...40 MEGS my ass.

I used to think that the music tracks in SF2SCE or Super were okay for Genesis sound, but they are also mono and really don't push much. The most impressive thing about Super Champion Edition is how many samples are playing in the music alone, which is why they screwed up the voice sample timing so badly.