Both SNES and Genesis Prince of Persia play the same, Genesis is better visually.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
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Both SNES and Genesis Prince of Persia play the same, Genesis is better visually.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
Yes, an extra 64 pixels horizontally. That's an extra 1/4 of the SNES resolution, quite a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
I remember thinking SNES PoP was better than Genesis for control, animation, and music.
SNES Prince of Persia contains additional levels and an extended time limit, some levels even have fresh new graphics like underground caverns. It's sort of like a special edition, any fan of POP1 should get it. To be fair though, it's a much later port than other platforms, 1995 I think? POP2 SNES was 1996.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
I think Genesis POP1 is largely a straight port of the base game, but yes it does have nice graphics. I'd like to get it at some point.
There's also a Sega CD port which, ironically, is more plain looking. I beat this version already, the cutscenes and english dialogue are hilarious. It also supports saving. Of the ports I've played, I'd say this one has the best music.
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/pri...op-segacd1.png
Wait.. really? Damn I actually forgot about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
That one ices the cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
^More proof of the SNES's overratedness. Get your damn resolutions right people!
I really shouldn't have looked that guy up. Just look at the idiocy on this comparison:
http://elias1986.deviantart.com/art/...quot-227115838
Oh, and be sure to read the comments.
I don't even know where to start with that. :?Quote:
SNES = Brute Power
SEGA = An 8-bit Nintendo with a slight advance in it's engine. Heck even the NES is a tad better, just compare Battle Toads NES with Battle Toads on the SEGA.
The cherry on the cake there is the guy calls it "Sega", rather than Genesis. If you see someone do that, just walk away. It's a clear indication they're just a stupid Nintendrone.
Nope. Twinkle Tale, like MERCS and Pocky 'n Rocky, are top-down run 'n guns. Elemental Master and Undead Line are are vertical shmups owing to the forced scroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
Not sure what the hell Ninja Commando is. A RnG limited to forward firing I suppose.
For me both systems were great as I owned both systems and I never once thought one system was better than the other.
They both had pros and cons but when it came down to it both had an awesome collection of games that no other console can even get close too.
That quote redefines LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assman
I especially love the instant contradiction. "It's barely better than the NES, except the NES is barely better than it."
Heh, and oh that brute power. Which sees few characters on screen, lest said brute power shake the console to it's core and wreak on-screen slowdown.
Ok, I'm sorry but, someone really needs to make a completely unbiased video for Youtube regarding this kind of garbage. All of these popular Youtubers and random people all over the place blatently lying about which is better at something is pretty out of control if you ask me. Yes, that even goes for people saying Genesis is better at things it really isn't as well.
I've been thinking about this for awhile now, and I think someone needs like a big list of things put together comparing both the Genesis and SNES at each and every single thing, both the hardware themselves and the games, though, it'd be mostly hardware since there is a lot to cover.
It doesn't matter if this is beaten to death. It doesn't matter if there aren't many people that'd watch the video. It doesn't matter if people still don't take it all with an open mind, even if they did fully watch the video. I just feel it needs to be said, and there isn't a single thing that goes into all of the details of each system (with facts!) that I know of.
We're talking things like "SNES has a bigger hi-res mode than the Genesis' hi-res mode, sure, but unlike the Genesis, the SNES hi-res mode can only display 16 colors on screen and scales sprites up." Small details like that included, because no one ever mentions those kinds of things.
The Sega CD port actually came out before the Genesis port. The Sega CD version is almost a carbon copy of the Turbo CD version, while the Genesis version was done separately. The Genesis version has the best visuals of any, but it has other issues. The SNES version has those extra levels, which are nice, but it has some problems as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
Well yeah it's evident to see that, SCD port is definitely older. I'd wager a guess that the two ports were done by two entirely different teams. The SCD port has some animation issues but is otherwise a pretty solid port, I enjoyed beating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
The SNES version appears to be based off the PC-98 and X68000 ports. I need to put some more time into it, seems like a very good port so far though.
Also been playing the canceled Prince of Persia 2 port for Genesis. The music is garbage, like everyone says, but other than that it seems pretty good, seems mostly complete too. Unfortunately for me though, it's even harder than POP1.
Wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncovert
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Originally Posted by Kamahl
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Originally Posted by Assman
Now you understand the meaning of the pissed dog?
He's like a messenger, saying that no good can come out of this "Genesis vs. Snes" thing and therefore he will appear everytime this crap is brought up.
It's like we have to constantly prove that the Mega Drive is in the same league of S(uperior)Nes.
You wanna know why those Nintendo retards acts like that in regard to the Mega Drive?
Because deep down they know that it kicks major ass; that it's a mean, gangster motherfocka riding a black Cadillac while playing Metal Squad on the max in it's stereo , powered by a roaring Blast Processing engine.
They shit their pants everytime they see one;
and because they fear it, they attack it.
What problems, out of curiosity? I really enjoyed the SNES port -- great music, and controls which seem more responsive/consistent than other versions I've played.Quote:
Originally Posted by j_factor
As a guy who owns both 16 bit systems talked about here, and a lot of games for both, they both have something to make me happy. I don't go looking for small things to nitpick about, if there's a good game on both systems, I want to own both versions if possible.
If someone's bashing the Genesis just for the sake of it, fuck them, it's their opinion and means nothing to me. I'll continue to play my Genesis till either it dies or I do.
It's been a long time since I went through it, but as I recall, the game suffers from a few technical hiccups. In particular, if you get into a duel on a conveyor belt, it becomes very choppy. Aside from that, some of the additions don't suit the game and make for an uneven experience. I also hated the music, but that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenband
Kind of like this monkey baby butt fucker. He claims to be fair although at the same time he clearly says he grew up with Nintendo. He pretends to be fair in this comparison yet he will always compare early generation Genesis games to later Generation SNES games acting like the later generation Genesis games never existed. At least a few of the comments on the vids point out what I've brought up here. For the people that grew up playing the consoles cannot be fooled so easily. The newer gamers might believe anything. Especially with some one like this with a professionally edited video who has credibility and authority that is using it fuck over the Genesis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb73kHBAirUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_y3waeqxU8
I'm afraid to watch those videos.
That's just it. Most would rather take the word of a known comedian's unresearched, biased opinions(see PHANTOM2040's post). Speaking of that post, I would have loved to have seen James stumble about trying to explain what those specs actually mean, and how the consoles lived up to them, failed to, or exceeded them. Except he'd probably spread lies, which he trained himself to believe, that the SNES exceeded it's spec sheets, while the Genesis barely managed it's, or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raijin
For the record, is there a post, or a thread here that goes through it all, once and for all?
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You know, it's kind of ironic that Sonic is that elias1986's avatar. Anyhow, I think I get his confusion about the resolution. He compares Fusion and ZSNES. Probably neither in full screen. It's just, I'm not very observant myself, and I can see more of the stage in the Genesis screen comparisons. How do they keep missing it?
Wow, this topic exploded.
Please excuse my abscense, as I have come down with a bad case of broncitis.
I made my initial post very quickly and didn't explain very much, so allow me to elaborate a bit more.
It's not that I think the SNES is a bad machine, it's not. It's a solid gaming device, but holy ever loving hell is it overrated to no end. It's games are downright stupidly expensive. You can get all 3 Sonic Games plus Sonic and Knuckles for less than 1 copy of Super Mario World. Super Metroid is nearly 40-50 dollars in most markets, and Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy III? Don't even get me started.
Those are great games, but not worth their asking price considering they are available on a wide range of platforms and weren't even rare when they came out. Phantasy Star 4 is a game that can be held in the same category as the greats like Final Fantasy 3 (6) and will only run you about 20-25 bucks tops.
My SNES collection stopped after 7 games, I outright refused to collect for it. My Genesis collection is around 50 games now, and I simply cant get enough. I was exposed to both of these systems at the same time, and I sort of kinda grew up with them, but didn't own them until just a few years ago.
I'd say that that is exactly what all these people tried to do when they did their videos. :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by Raijin
I was a Sega Mega Drive fan until Nintendo released Super Metroid on SNES. And then DKC2. And then Yoshi's Island. Not that the late MD games weren't good (Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Comix Zone, Vectorman, etc). But these 3 games i mentioned sit on my top 3 16bit games.
As for multiplatforms, i do prefer the Genesis/MD. Many SNES multiplatforms have a weird "heavy" feel. Genesis/MD games usually feel lighter and more responsive. Disney animation games (i loved those at the time) were much better on Genesis IMO. I felt like the animation was faster, more energetic and the sprites cleaner and overall, the games felt faster and responsive. Plus, Aladdin looked much better than the SNES version.
These guys seem decent and unbiased enough:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raijin
https://www.youtube.com/user/levelon...ew=0&flow=grid
Ah yes. I enjoy his comic videos on occasion, but this attempt at a "serious" video is a load of crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by PHANTOM2040
He was better than most in that he admits that "Blast Processing" could refer to the Genesis's faster CPU, so I give him a tiny bit of credit there. However, things start falling down the further on he goes.
The final straw was when he compared Starfox to an un-aided Genesis as an example of the SNES's superiority. You moron, the only reason why the SNES could do Starfox was because they slapped an extra co-processor on the cart. If you want a fair comparison, you either need to look at Virtua Racing with the SVP or a 32X game (with the 32X essentially taking the role of the SuperFX chip in the Starfox cart).
Yeah, they basically do the best console comparison videos I've seen so far. The Genesis wins in some cases, the SNES in others, which is the way it should generally be. I don't always necessary agree with all their arguments, but at least they give each system fair credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
Virtua Racing on Genesis is a fair comparison but comparing the FX2 chip to the 32X is too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Lou
Not quite, they started out using a cheap clone machine with terrible genesis emulation, but I think they've fixed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
I'll never agree with their choice on animaniacs though, the SNES game is ultra lame compared to the genesis one. It's kinda funny, I agree with almost all of what they say during the video, except the conclusion. "See the Genesis game is a lot deeper and more interesting, SNES wins". That's essentially the video to me :p.
...or Star Cruiser(from 1990, which had polygon flying sections without a specialty chip), but who would know about a Japanese exclusive for a console they clearly don't give as much time to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Lou
Okay, I was exaggerating a bit. :) However, I personally view that the 32X should've been marketed as something similar to an FX chip you only need to buy once instead of something you need to pay for every time you buy a new cart, hence why I drew the parallel in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightrider
Not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottino
They attack the Genesis for pretty much one reason only. Lack of color.
It doesn't matter if the Genesis has a bigger screen resolution, nobody can see that anyway. But everyone can absolutely see how few colors the Genesis has. Faster CPU? Doesn't mean anything for glorious RPGs. SNES also has cartridge co-processors, no need for failed add-ons. Did I mention the lack of color?
Just going by that Lion King comparison, with no other additional information, you'd assume the Genesis version is inferior because it has fewer colors. Most people see it that way.
IDK, that's pretty hard to not see. I think people just care about seeing more colors than seeing what's going on in the game. They rag on the Genesis all day about having ~64 colors on screen, so how can they even look at a NES or GB or GBC game without wanting to gouge their eyes out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
EDIT: In the time I've spent here it's pretty clear to me that Sega/general gaming enthusiasts seem to know their shit when it comes to the technology behind consoles and how they work. Near every Nintendrone knows absolutely nothing about any of that. That deviantart guy is a perfect example, he doesn't even understand the concept of resolution. They just glance at a spec sheet for 30 seconds and make up everything they say about it. I don't know nearly as much as a lot of you guys do, but I've picked up quite a bit in the past 5-6 years.
that is because the fans and the "collectors" swoop over the snes liek vultures and drive the prices fo even the most common games up because they all want that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by GKDAIR
thats not really the fault of the snes
even though it is reaching ludicrous levels now and the machine is fast on its way to become over rated
sooner or later the "collectors" will move on to a new target ( the n64 probably ) and the bottom will drop out of the snes market but that may take a while
You aren't talking about games or the past, you're talking about collecting while late to the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by GKDAIR
You should change the thread title to "The Genesis really is better to collect for today than SNES".
Phantasy Star IV was $135 while FFIII and Chrono Trigger were $130 each where I lived. Earthbound was $100. Super Metroid became a $30 budget title within a year and Zelda LttP launched at a value price of $65, while new games were typically $70 - $80.
Today Super Mario world sells for $5 - $15 locally, while Sonic 2, 3 and S&K tend to be in the $10 - $20 range. But that has nothing to do with the quality of the games, either library or their hardware.
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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger
You're flat out lying about those prices, I can show you receipts and ebay auctions that prove it.
Sonic 2 can be found for 4-5 dollars, Sonic 3 and Sonic Knucles about 7 dollars each. A total of around 20 bucks, which is still less than the cost of Super Mario World in a store or on Ebay.
All RPGs were expensive as hell when they came out, but PS4 had the exact same quality, if not better given your own personal preference as the other two, and can be found for 40 dollars and over cheaper than the other titles.
Super Metroid is around 40-50 dollars. Link to the Past has settled anywhere between 20-30 from what I've seen.
But judging by your sig, your a blind Nintendo follower so there's no convincing you of anything.
The best way to do a Genesis vs. SNES video would be to get two people who both grew up with the different console who know the technical specs so they can talk about the technical parts and then the nostalgic/experience bits of growing up with either console.
Then as soon as they are finished filming, delete the video clip and record them talking about something much more interesting that the internet hasn't been flooded with over and over.
James Rolfe's comparisons suck ass too in his video, I like him as a comedian but a game historian or w/e just isn't his field at all.
I know about the "Console Wars" Youtube channel. I like it. However, I am not talking about doing a video just for games like they do. I am talking more about going into details about the (factual) technical specs of the Genesis and SNES.
I grew up with both and I wouldn't consider myself biased, plus I know a fair bit about the technical side of both, but not nearly enough to go in depth, and I'm not 100% sure of some things. Hell, I'd be willing to do the video myself, but I'd need someone who knows more then me to help me out with the technical details; specifically someone who programs for both, or at least knows that much.
Actually, I wonder if this sort of thing would make a good Game Sack video... They totally already have the theme for that kind of thing. Joe can do half the video talking about the Genesis specs, and Dave the other half for the SNES specs, then at the end they can give a summary of the two. Oh god...
The best genesis vs SNES video would be two huge fanboys of each (but with an open mind, you know, not idiots), ping-ponging games at each other. You know, "Hey, what about Super Mario World" (shows footage) "Damn that's pretty damn good, but what about Sonic?" (shows footage). Do that for 100 games. That's the best video you can do.
Technical details only matter in the face of results, if they show two games where each does something neat with the hardware, point it out, that's what matters. Not "Oh the SNES can do 512pixel res", but "See, this game is in 512pixel res, but it looks but ugly cuz it's only 16 colours and the sprites are low-res, the mode sucks".
I was going to ask you to re-read my post again and point out how you're the one distorting facts. But that last line convinces me you won't understand and are completely oblivious. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GKDAIR
My signature is a quote from a youtube comment and obviously pointing out how ridiculous (Nintendo) fanboys can be.
locally
lo·cal·ly [loh-kuh-lee]
adverb
-in a local area; nearby: Games may be expensive in parts of the internet, but at least they're cheap locally.
Protip: not all "stores" have the same pricing. What your local rip-off joint charges for old games isn't the same as every store in the world.
As for eBay:
Super Mario World sold on eBayfor $0.99 + $4 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item2335b58d6f
Super Mario World sold on eBay for $1 + $6 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item2a3574fcb2
Super Mario World sold on eBay for $3.05 + $4 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SFC-SUPER-MA...item35d04dca65
Super Mario World sold on eBay for $1.25 + $6 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item2a3574fe3d
In case you're not a game player and are just some kind of collector, as your previous posts indicate, here is the prestigious North American variant for a whopping $11 + FREE SHIPPING:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item43c3011fe1
Prestigious North American variant for a whopping $11.95 + FREE SHIPPING:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item3f2f99e1af
Prestigious North American variant for a whopping $8.50 + $4 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item2a3749d253
Prestigious North American variant for a whopping $12.61 + FREE SHIPPING:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item338aa699e5
Prestigious North American variant for a whopping $9.99 + $3 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item4d154b69ea
Hell, Yoshi's Island is <$13.30 shipped:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Famico...item2a37bb8caa
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item4ace46a2c0
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item4acf24804b
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-...item4ad0f42b6a
What makes you say I prefer those SNES RPGs over PSIV? Have you read much of the forum or are you mainly just here to pickup games?
Fun Fact: my avatar for the past 7.5 years (up until yesterday), has been a pic from Phantasy Star. ;)
Protip: If you pay $40+ for PSIV, you're getting hosed:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phantasy-Sta...item4617b05803
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phantasy-Sta...item23335cc707
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEGA-GENESIS...item3f2da4377f
Those are CIB or boxed copies. Loose carts are much cheaper.
Don't you remember the secret to finding good deals on games, which I was kind enough to divulge in your other thread? :p