Which games have scaling and rotation?

Here's an idea ABF: Why don't you try to prove your own points, instead of leaving the burden up to us? You're always so positive about what you say, but you provide nothing to back it up. Instead, people have posted things that as always are never good enough for you. Again, no one has said the Genesis "supports scaling and rotation" in the manner you keep saying we are. This thread is about effects in games, not 1:1 ports of Galaxy Force II. Once again you have to come in and take a dump on an otherwise good thread. We don't know what examples, if any, are prerendered. You don't know either. So, instead of "its probably prerendered, prove it isn't" you find out for sure yourself and post it.

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Originally Posted by Bottino

Of course it does. Those guys at longplays uses some kind of old emulator for their MD videos;it sounds like shit

Hum... that's gotta hurt. I like it. :)

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Hey I don't use emu's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBgIbbh4-lk


and to me the real game doesn't sound much better , It too tiny and the music doesn't go to what's happens on screen or really sound it was made for the game .

You just have weird tastes man (also you are always using the word "tiny" incorrectly, you mean "grating"). The music fits the game perfectly, for example the song during the mad hatter fight where the fight only starts after the song does the buildup.

It's the game itself that doesn't fit the series at all, but that's ok, it doesn't have to. Only reason people criticise it for it is that the SNES game does.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

You just have weird tastes man (also you are always using the word "tiny" incorrectly, you mean "grating"). The music fits the game perfectly, for example the song during the mad hatter fight where the fight only starts after the song does the buildup.

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Its sounds a bit of mess and kind of like Streets Of Rage 3 - Too tinny and where you can't really enjoy the music at all and it doesn't go with the game . Graphically the game is a complete knock out but I hated the audio

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

Its sounds a bit of mess and kind of like Streets Of Rage 3 - Too tinny and where you can't really enjoy the music at all and it doesn't go with the game . Graphically the game is a complete knock out but I hated the audio

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Yes it's the same style of music as Streets of Rage 3 (again, you mean to say grating, not tiny, tiny means something else music wise). I actually like this kind of music but not in Streets of Rage 3, there it uses too much randomness and just sounds bad for more than half the soundtrack.

I do disagree it doesn't go with the game: it's a crazy chaotic game with chaotic music, that's a good fit. Wether someone likes the style or not is a different issue, and plenty of people don't. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

I do disagree it doesn't go with the game: it's a crazy chaotic game with chaotic music, that's a good fit. Wether someone likes the style or not is a different issue, and plenty of people don't. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

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I suppose that if someone was expecting a soundtrack similar to that found in the TV show, it could be disappointing. The TV show had an excellent orchestral sound track and, not knowing any differently, I would assume a game based on the show would have a similar style.

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Originally Posted by Team Andromeda

Hey I don't use emu's

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You use a model 2, that's even worse.

@Kamahl: "tinny" describes a metallic sound, and I'd say that is an accurate description of the less rich and organic sounding MD soundtracks out there.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

@Kamahl: "tinny" describes a metallic sound, and I'd say that is an accurate description of the less rich and organic sounding MD soundtracks out there.

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I completely missed the second "n" on his second post, you're right, "tinny" is correct.

Sorry about that TA.

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Originally Posted by Dragonmaster Lou

I suppose that if someone was expecting a soundtrack similar to that found in the TV show, it could be disappointing. The TV show had an excellent orchestral sound track and, not knowing any differently, I would assume a game based on the show would have a similar style.

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Yes I addressed that on my previous post, a lot of people dislike the game for not being faithful to the show (unlike the SNES one which is). It's not just the soundtrack, it's the whole game.

Aesthetically, it does keep that '40's vibe the show has, so I wouldn't say it was unfaithful. Plus it uses the same villains, exactly as the show draws them, just with small sprites.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Yes I addressed that on my previous post, a lot of people dislike the game for not being faithful to the show (unlike the SNES one which is). It's not just the soundtrack, it's the whole game.

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Is the SNES Batman & Robin any good? I remember playing it as a kid and finding it to be a bog-standard platformer, nothing remarkable.

The most obvious scaling example would be Space Harrier no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxuKFnEx39Y

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Originally Posted by zetastrike

Here's an idea ABF: Why don't you try to prove your own points, instead of leaving the burden up to us?

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What points? Everyone knows that Genesis scaling effects are in almost all cases just used in a few rare places, so I don't need to prove that one.

The point that that list in the OP may or may not all be games that actually do real-time scaling? But given how rare scaling is, while stuff like stepped sprites is common, suggests to me that it should be the other way around -- prove that those games DO use real-time scaling or rotation. I know some do, like Red Zone, but do all of them?

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You're always so positive about what you say, but you provide nothing to back it up. Instead, people have posted things that as always are never good enough for you. Again, no one has said the Genesis "supports scaling and rotation" in the manner you keep saying we are.

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Uh, in the other thread I was repeatedly attacked with "scaling is scaling", as in, it's all the same and this difference that I made and you mention here doesn't matter. So you're being inaccurate here. It's good that now there is agreement that there is a difference; the disagreement is on how good scaling or rotation a system needs for it to "count".

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This thread is about effects in games, not 1:1 ports of Galaxy Force II. Once again you have to come in and take a dump on an otherwise good thread.

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So in one thread I get criticized for not posting in this thread, then in this one criticized FOR posting in it? I lose either way, clearly!

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We don't know what examples, if any, are prerendered. You don't know either. So, instead of "its probably prerendered, prove it isn't" you find out for sure yourself and post it.

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Okay, now we get to the point -- differentiating pre-rendered animations fro mreal-time ones certainly is tricky. I just think that if possible it's important because prerendered animations and jumping between different-sized sprites are things any of the systems of that time could do. If you want a list really showing something the Genesis is doing that the other systems can't without help (TG16 can't at all, SNES can but only with enhancement chips in the carts), then wouldn't that be a list of games which do real-time scaling and rotation, not predone animations?


As for the SNES, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ancement_chips has some information on which SNES games use addon chips for scaling or rotation, but I'm not clear on whether the DSP games actually do any scaling and rotation of sprites, not just enhancing the Mode 7 background effect as they are known to use the DSP for. Maybe not? But the Super FX of course can and does. What about the Cx4? Maybe not, if it's just for wireframe 3d effects...

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Originally Posted by zetastrike

Is the SNES Batman & Robin any good? I remember playing it as a kid and finding it to be a bog-standard platformer, nothing remarkable.

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I find it boring to the point of being unplayable, but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

You use a model 2, that's even worse.

@Kamahl: "tinny" describes a metallic sound, and I'd say that is an accurate description of the less rich and organic sounding MD soundtracks out there.

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Try its captured from a model 1 Mega Drive and Mega CD .

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Originally Posted by zetastrike

Is the SNES Batman & Robin any good? I remember playing it as a kid and finding it to be a bog-standard platformer, nothing remarkable.

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It's a pile of overrated rubbish imo