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This is actually one of my only gripes about modern games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamahl
I don't mind if it has a multiplayer section. Hell, I will probably pop on once or twice to check it out and see if I enjoy it.
But I hate when games are multiplayer for no particular reason but to be multiplayer. I just want to chill out and do things at my own pace most of the time.
Well, if we're really digging in here...
I'd kept up until about '09 or so, bit a resurgence in '11 for about a month, and then that was it.
Mid 6th generation I started to feel something off about what video games had become. Like for the first time I was just noticing how FMV dependent they had become. Things like ninja action games starting to focus as much, if not more, on the story, as much as the ninja action. Requiring as much time to complete as a small RPG, no less.
Then there were the unlock fest games. Mortal Kombat with it's krypt's. That wasn't all that fun. The games themselves were more enjoyable once that was finally behind me. That and their story modes. Which used to be the fighting tournaments, but had now become adventures, almost like mini-Zelda games. If I wanted that, why wouldn't I just pick up a Zelda game, instead of a Mortal Kombat? The mini game modes, like the racing and chess games were pretty cool diversions though. Wouldn't have minded seeing more of that, and less adventure/unlocking. Then comes stuff like Dynasty Warriors. I had an issue with data storage once, and just wasn't going to go through all that unlocking again. The core gameplay is fun, but it becomes a chore when you're playing to get 30 more characters, random items, best weapons, etc.
Then there's what happens when one of these games gets a scratch, or the laser eye starts to go. Discs, and their drives, are such a piss weak medium.
Early on in the 7th generation, I'd just had enough. Another thing I had noticed during the 6th, was that I had amassed a fairly massive amount of video games, and I was lucky if I wanted to play 5 of them again, after I was done with them.
At the same time, this is where I started to lose interest in RPG's. It seems like it was a general length thing, and as if for the first time I was starting to notice how boring they actually are. I was able to liken playing them to what it was like playing modern games. You play something for so long, because the game requires that much time, not because you actually want to, and you never really feel like playing it again, once you have completed it. Only in this case, 95% of the time, the gameplay itself wasn't all that engaging.
So, I guess I kind of retreated, for lack of a better term, back to the classics. For a while there, I actually appreciated the VCS(2600) more than anything, for it's quick arcade styled games, that didn't appear to have more of a goal than to see how long you can last. Like you played for how long you wanted to, instead of how long developers had expected you to.
That resurgence of interest in 2011 was a Wii. Wii sports felt like a VCS, or even NES game in 3D. No real goal, but to play the game. NSMB felt a classic SMB, and I really got into the console for that whole month that I did, picking up new games whenever I could. Then the modern aspects starting shining though more than the classic. NSMB still was long enough to require saving(I think this is why SMB2 was always my favorite). Mario spinoffs were unlock fests. Even the other games that seemed like they should be more arcade-like had modern aspects I just didn't care for.
The biggest one to me though, was Punch-Out!. It keeps a permanent record, and it forces you to focus on the 1 character at a time. Part of what made the original so great to me, was going back through the old boxers, and getting better at beating them, to get to the one you were currently stuck on. Hell, even the SNES version, which saves, had you go through 4 at a time, so if the champion was still beating you, you'd have to get better at facing the 3 guys before him, until you finally did beat him. With the Wii game, once you were past someone, you were done with ever fighting them again. Until that last retirement mode, anyhow. At which point you're likely to lose fairly early on, because you've forgotten how to fight most of them, because you've been focused solely on the last guy. It just didn't feel right to me.
So I hadn't been interested in modern gaming since. It may be what I had been used to before games made the changes they did when they went 3D, I don't think it's nostalgia at all, but I haven't felt like playing anything beyond the 4th generation because of it. I even hate discs so much, that when I emulate, I'd still rather not deal with ISO's. Partly because a large collection of some of the best games of all time could fit within the information 1 ISO soaks up.
I couldn't think of more off the top of my head here, but the more time went by, the more I could think of reasons to appreciate the classics/retro/whatever, and the less I can appreciate the modern(or modern-ish). I can admit that modern games can be fun, but when all the elements that make them what they are combine, they're just not for me.
but like it or not that shift has already happendQuote:
Originally Posted by Zz Badnusty
video games today are very different from 14 years ago
games today have a strong focus on multiplayer even if said multiplayer is absolutley uneccasary and tacked on
they have also shifted to online only
multiplayer only
micro transactions
and dlc crap
not only that but games these days play differently
with regenerating health
an overly cinematic approach with dozens of cut scenes which are usually unskippable
automatic checkpoints
automatic saves
unskippable overly long tutorials
and a vauge desire to be hollywood instead of vidoe games
so even by those defintions the ps2 is already retro because all of that was the exception back then not the norm
( metal gear solid 2 zone of the enders the bouncer and oni certaily fit the bill )
My most current system is a Wii. But for the most part I'm still gaming on older systems. In fact, I'd say I'm becoming less of a retro gamer than I was because my sentiments have somewhat faded since I no longer look at many things through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses. That, and my concerns involve many of the older consoles becoming slowly obsolete with video displays looking like shit on new TVs, cartridge batteries needing to be replaced (though I've only ever had it happen once) and in some cases, hardware that is barely feasible anymore like the toaster NES, or Game Gear with its washed out screen. Add all the costs of modifying them just to be slightly more modern and it's a very inconvenient hobby, one that I do not care to invest in any longer. All this said, I could just remedy my problem by buying the new Retron. So I'll consider it, if I feel gravitated towards retro stuff again. But right now I'm mostly stuck on the sixth gen consoles.
There's a quick way to fix that, get a good SD CRT and learn how to use a soldering iron. Replacing batteries is one of the easiest things to do with soldering.
If all you're concerned with is the games and you don't like the hardware anymore, you could just set yourself up with some emulators and USB controllers. If playing on a PC doesn't sound too good, I highly recommend using a soft modded Wii. It's really easy to mod and there's lots of emulators available.
I'm already using my OUYA for this, but thanks anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guntz
I only play Genesis and SCD games. I have a WII, XBOX, and XBOX 360 but they get used sparingly. The 360 is used as DVD player, the original Xbox is used for arcade games which I thought I would play but I haven't and the Wii sits in its box in the closet. I just play the Genesis and SCD and that makes me happy :)
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Originally Posted by Kamahl
There's more good single-player experiences on the current-gen (PS3/360) than you'd think by looking at a popularity poll.
Some of my favorites include Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, PAC-Man CE, REZ HD. Afterburner Climax, The Pinball Arcade, Skyrim, Culdcept Sage (2-player online was cool), 3D Dot Heroes, The Dirt series, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Deadly Premonition, Bioshock, Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age, Xbox Arcade, Raiden Fighters, Radiant Silvergun and many other titles I can't think of at the moment.
I haven't owned a console when it was current since the PSX. I never felt much of a need to keep up with the times. I get more than enough enjoyment out of my old stuff and like Kamahl said, current gen games are more experiences than games.
A lot of today's games hold no interest for me. In particular, I don't play first person shooters, or anything with a first person perspective for that matter. Neither am I interested in most modern third-person action games. I'm not a "retro-only gamer," though. I like to play new independent games, and Nintendo still makes games that I enjoy.
Although I stick to the PC, I think there's plenty of great games out for the current generation, especially a lot of the smaller indie games available via online distribution. Don't get blinded by all the AAA crap that is spewed out. It was just as bad back in the day -- "Another sports game from EA?!?"
Classic gamer all the way over here.
When I get bored I look over in the rom hack community
For "new" games.
I have some free time now ,I should make a good hack.
Plenty of those are entirely based on story progression, or non-AAA (I made an exception to indies for a reason).Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I definitely agree with you there - the smaller "indie" studios are doing a lot of great stuff these days. A lot of their stuff will definitely appeal to a 2D game-lover's sensibilities. I have been playing some Hammerwatch lately (it's kind of like Gauntlet) and between firing up the game and actually playing it takes MAYBE 30 seconds or so. And it supports controllers!Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingRyle
Indies are pretty much reviving gaming, I still need to play La Mulana.