Gunvalkyrie on a limited controller. Suggestions?

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08-22-2014, 12:37 PM
Valkeerie

Gunvalkyrie on a limited controller. Suggestions?

Remember that analog stick clicking SEGA game for the Xbox? How would it play on, say, the PSP, Dreamcast or 3DS? It's not your typical shooter that could have strafing assigned to the face buttons and the analog stick to look around. The point of the game is to make you feel like you're controlling a jet pack and gun toting human as if he/she were a Mech, which means the torso rotates separately. Here's a suggestion:

Y/B buttons - Accelerate/Back pedal. Double tap to boost forward and backward. Press the opposite direction right after to hover.
X/A buttons - Open menu/quick turn.
R trigger - Jump and ascend.
L trigger - Shoot.
D-pad - left and right turn the character. Double tap to boost to the sides. Up and down make the character change pitch in 45º increments.
Analog stick - rotate torso left and right and look up and down. It centers automatically.

This needs serious improvement or another suggestion!
08-22-2014, 05:08 PM
A Black Falcon

The original Dreamcast version was supposed to be played with some combination of light gun and controller, I believe... somehow...
08-23-2014, 07:54 AM
Valkeerie

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Originally Posted by A Black Falcon

The original Dreamcast version was supposed to be played with some combination of light gun and controller, I believe... somehow...

They would have to release the Dreamcast equivalent of the Wii nunchuck. I can't imagine SEGA going forward with the controller being held on one hand. But that's besides the point, because the PSP doesn't support it, and I wanted to make homebrew that feels like Gunvalkyrie. The 3DS is more allowing with the Circle Pad Pro, and the stylus configuration. How about:

- R button - accelerate
- L button - back pedal
- Analog pad - look around
- A button - Jump and ascend
- X button - Fire weapon
- Y button - Boost together with a direction on the analog
- B button - Quick turn together with a direction on the analog
- D-pad - Select between primary and secondary weapons, and grapple beam. Show map.

While accelerating, hold L button to rotate the torso to the side direction you're pulling in order to look further. If you're back pedalling instead, hold R button for the same effect. This would be without rotating the torso to the opposite side you're turning, but who would do that? Also, Y and B buttons pressed together activate the Valkyrie Special abilities, when mid-air or on the ground. Yeah, I think this does it. Sorry for bothering you.
08-23-2014, 11:18 AM
sheath

GunValkyrie would "work" if it had Virtual On's gamepad controls. It wouldn't feel the same, but all of the control could still be there. I always thought GunValkyrie was an attempt to turn Virtual On into a more general Adventure/Shooter anyway.
08-23-2014, 01:58 PM
retro nick

A game I am interested in, yet will not run on a 360 at all. :(

Come on Sega, put this on XBLA!
08-23-2014, 02:42 PM
Valkeerie

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Originally Posted by sheath

GunValkyrie would "work" if it had Virtual On's gamepad controls. It wouldn't feel the same, but all of the control could still be there. I always thought GunValkyrie was an attempt to turn Virtual On into a more general Adventure/Shooter anyway.

Virtual-On controls are certainly fine for arena based matches, but if you want its scope to be of an adventure game then they need to be tweaked. I noticed that my last suggestion suits driving better than platforming, but it's hard to assign such main thing as the character movement to the analog stick if it means losing the D-pad for extra stuff. Let's try another:

- L trigger - Shoot weapon.
- R trigger - Jump and ascend.
- Y/A buttons - Accelerate/back pedal. Double tap to boost forward and backward. Tap the opposite direction right after to hover.
- X/B buttons - Rotate torso left/right. Double tap to boost left and right.
- D-Pad - Press any direction to flip around to face that direction.
- Analog pad - Look up and down. Turn left and right.
- Start - open weapons, items and map menu.
08-23-2014, 03:12 PM
sheath

I can't think of a reason why Virtual On gamepad controls would not work for an Adventure game or a 3D Platformer. You can walk in any direction, dash in any direction and jump and dash in any direction. If anything platforming would be super easy. It's just the auto targeting while dashing that would need some work, cycling between enemies or adding some physics that would stall a swarm of bugs with a scatter shot that hits all of the front runners so you can set them up for a center weapon or special. Of course there is no actual aiming with this method except with some weapons, and jump/cancel would only work if camera and targeting mechanics were done right.
08-23-2014, 04:57 PM
A Black Falcon

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Originally Posted by Valkeerie

They would have to release the Dreamcast equivalent of the Wii nunchuck. I can't imagine SEGA going forward with the controller being held on one hand.

Yeah, I have trouble imagining that the game could have actually worked, having to hold a controller in one hand...

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But that's besides the point, because the PSP doesn't support it, and I wanted to make homebrew that feels like Gunvalkyrie. The 3DS is more allowing with the Circle Pad Pro, and the stylus configuration. How about:

Yeah, DS/3DS controls, with the pad/stick for movement and touchscreen for firing, would work well.
08-23-2014, 06:04 PM
Valkeerie

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Originally Posted by sheath

I can't think of a reason why Virtual On gamepad controls would not work for an Adventure game or a 3D Platformer. You can walk in any direction, dash in any direction and jump and dash in any direction. If anything platforming would be super easy. It's just the auto targeting while dashing that would need some work, cycling between enemies or adding some physics that would stall a swarm of bugs with a scatter shot that hits all of the front runners so you can set them up for a center weapon or special. Of course there is no actual aiming with this method except with some weapons, and jump/cancel would only work if camera and targeting mechanics were done right.

It's just that I want to remain faithful to Gunvalkyrie's feel, that of a human character being controlled as if he/she were a mech, because of the torso rotation that aids aiming. Virtual On is a great game, but with strafing and lock-on it works more as an arena brawler where you are limited to going around your opponent, instead of exploring levels in a linear fashion. Torso rotation fits the latter because you're keeping a steady running direction and aiming to the sides. Plus, Gunvalkyrie had a lot of directional input, what with boosting, flipping in place and aiming around, so that's why I wanted both the analog stick and D-pad easily accessible.