Super Street Fighter 2 - new Z80 driver

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Originally Posted by midnightrider

Perhaps they were just shit at working with limitations. Can you think of an arcade game they made that came out poorly?

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Well that's what I mean by being bad programmers, they just put together some code and hoped it worked (arcade machines were so powerful it was a non-issue if your code was shit).

They were phenomenal game designers which is a completely separate skill set.

It's not just on the genesis, their SNES games are pretty bad too. Nearly all of them slowdown and the sound driver seems to be quite shit in nearly all of them too.

Heh, maybe the Genesis would have been better off if they stuck with Nintendo, and Sega would have ported games they could publish instead.

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Originally Posted by Raijin

Capcom's 16 bit console games always stuck with me as beyond horribly programmed. Megaman X2 is one that particularly stands out to me. As much as I like the series, that game constantly slows down all over the damn place, and for seemingly no real reason.

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Huh, and that's with one of those specialty chips that serves as an extra processor too, isn't it?

The chips in X2 and X3 are odd and seem like such a waste to me. I don't know if they add any additional CPU performance to the actual game. All I've seen it do is render primitive wireframe polygons. The rumor I heard was that Capcom put them in there moreso as a form of DRM.

Them being a form of DRM is plausible, pretty pointless otherwise.

According to Tomaitheous, it was indeed DRM, or at least an anti-copying measure:

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Originally Posted by tomaitheous

I remember reading on some SNES dev thread that the chip was barely used in the MM games, relatively speaking of what it was capable of. With the exception as a security device. The chip monitored the data/address bus (don't remember if the data bus went through the chip or not). If you read too much data in sequential access, the chip would self destruct and ruin the cart. It prevented users and copiers from dumping the game.

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Never would have suspected that was an issue that early on. A few years later maybe, but not in '94.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

Nearly all of them slowdown and the sound driver seems to be quite shit in nearly all of them too.

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About slowdown they sacrifice performance to put some nice effects and good visuals and it sell their games.
Snes dont help too much in that area, cuz every games of all developers slowdown alot!!!

Capcom sell the system for me and for all my friends in that era bring these arcade ports with alot of slow but they are fun to play... and sounds good too.
Street Fighter games on the system sound like a shit cuz they remix the music.... but almost all other games sounds good... did your hear KOD music ? is amazing!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAt1...izureRobot5000

King of Dragons sounds very different from the typical Capcom SNES soundtracks. Even sounds like a lot of the instruments are in fact sampled FM patches.

I said nearly all, KoD is an exception and does sound quite good.

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Originally Posted by GeckoYamori

King of Dragons sounds very different from the typical Capcom SNES soundtracks. Even sounds like a lot of the instruments are in fact sampled FM patches.

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Remenber much FM music and PCM drums and i love it.
Others types of music like MMX or SGn'G and of course Demon's Crest sounds really good on the system,
they know how do a good music when want it..

The important thing is ?

we can rip some SSF2 music and inject on the rom ?

^ That is pretty much impossible. It's not PCM based. You'd need to replace the whole sound engine as well, or find a way to write music for that specific engine.

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Originally Posted by retrospiel

^ That is pretty much impossible. It's not PCM based. You'd need to replace the whole sound engine as well, or find a way to write music for that specific engine.

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Could something better for FM (like SMPS) be injected to the game? Of couse removing the existing FM driver.

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Originally Posted by villahed94

Could something better for FM (like SMPS) be injected to the game? Of couse removing the existing FM driver.

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In that case i guess the PCM should be completely redone, right? very hard job.

I've finished this game with the Stef's z80 driver more than 3x on the console and is unspeakable hear the voices sounding clean and without distortion, sounds much better than the muffled SNES! Thanks again!!!