Kimble Justice's coming out story

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Originally Posted by j_factor

Gender isn't as clear as DNA. There is such a thing as male XX syndrome and female XY syndrome. It's not common but it's something like 1 in 25,000 -- not super obscure. These are people who have the chromosome pair of the opposite gender that they otherwise appear as (genitals and all). I believe that they (usually) identify as their physical sex, not their genetic sex.

Transgenderism is certainly real and has been seen for basically all of human history, in all sorts of societies. In different societies it presents differently -- in India they call them a third gender. But at its core it's the same thing.



Cross-dressing is usually an occasional activity and usually for fun. It's not the same thing at all as gender identity. Even RuPaul, who spends a very large amount of time in drag due to being famous as a drag queen, takes off the wig and makeup at the end of the day and is still a man.

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So you are saying they are deformed mistakes. That is not a gender but rather a retardation. Something went wrong.

The gender you identify as is the gender you were born as. It is either male or female in humans. If you are handicapped, then you are disabled, not a mystic third gender. If you want to cross dress, go at it, but stop attacking people or forcing it on them.

Trekkies, furries, and bronies are not trying to force their hobbies on others, so why would trannies be allowed to? They act like some imperious religion on average.

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Originally Posted by Kogen

I have put lipstick on my lips and nipples and walked around in public like it. I just never claimed I was a woman trapped in a man's body. There is a difference, you know. Not everyone is Westboro Baptist Church. I do not care if people dress in drag, it is funny.

Also yDNA and mDNA still exist and there is nothing you can do about it.

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Ummm...ok. Good job on reading that link which talked about all the differences there are, I guess!

Still...DNA, hmmm? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7689007.stm

That seat's getting cold. By the way, I'm really not here for any kind of talk about the validity of my gender.

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Originally Posted by Barone

I just told you that not all people have the same interests of you and used me as an example (you had just criticized people for being indifferent to subjects you regards as important and I think that's a not good way to view the world).
That's why I posted and then you replied with a snarky post suggesting me to not partake the discussion since I wasn't "helping or anything", nitpicking the word "problem"; then your next post said that I was policing you and that I didn't have done the same to others, etc.

And it wasn't me who wrote "All this is kind of easy for you to say, to be honest - not being funny, it's just that finding a place in movements can be important for marginalized people." just a few posts ago.

You're painting yourself as a victim, not me.

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I criticized people for their constant practice of shoehorning everyone into a catch-all cult, because it does nothing whatsoever to help any kind of discussion. Didn't mention anything about indifference, especially seeing as I was talking to Kamahl who clearly ISN'T indifferent. You misunderstood and stuck your oar in.

I just found it kind of bullshit that this whole convo has been going on for pages and pages now, then when I pop up and come at you you're like "Oh excuse me, this is the Insert Coin forum and this convo is off-topic"? Don't give me that crap, dude.

And yes, I did say that. Trans and queer people, historically, are marginalized. That's not "playing victim", that's the truth. So you need to shout to make yourself heard. I'm sorry if the idea of that's totally alien to you.

Anyways, as you have nothing to contribute, I'm not going to continue talking with you.

Tell me the biological purpose of this third gender. We know what men and women are for already, so explain.

And I can link studies too: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3264868/

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Originally Posted by Kogen

Tell me the biological purpose of this third gender. We know what men and women are for already, so explain.

And I can link studies too: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3264868/

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They exist purely for the purpose of annoying you. Specifically you. Shocking, isn't it?

BTW, I'm not accepting any more transphobic shitposts from you. Step off.

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

You misunderstood and stuck your oar in.

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This a forum, you know. It may happen that your posts will be quoted by more than one person and you may not like all the replies. I hope this clarify something for you from now on.
If you want to have one on one conversations about your bs, this is not the right place. Or go for PMs.

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

I just found it kind of bullshit that this whole convo has been going on for pages and pages now, then when I pop up and come at you you're like "Oh excuse me, this is the Insert Coin forum and this convo is off-topic"? Don't give me that crap, dude.

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Like I said before, It wouldn't have happened if you hadn't been so obnoxious in your first reply.

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

And yes, I did say that. Trans and queer people, historically, are marginalized. That's not "playing victim", that's the truth. So you need to shout to make yourself heard. I'm sorry if the idea of that's totally alien to you.

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I don't know many marginalized people with like 5,000 subscribers on their YT shows, but maybe that's just me.

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

Anyways, as you have nothing to contribute, I'm not going to continue talking with you.

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That's a nice move coming from the "marginalized people".

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

They exist purely for the purpose of annoying you. Specifically you. Shocking, isn't it?

BTW, I'm not accepting any more transphobic shitposts from you. Step off.

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They do not annoy me. I said I find it funny and have done it myself.

Would you believe me if I said I was actually an 8 year old fox boy trapped in a man's body? Or a pony trapped in a man's body? Or the reincarnation of Captain John Luke Picard?

No, of course not, because this is all make believe, just like transgenderism. People do it for fun and that is fine, just stop pretending it is a real gender. If you want to dress up and act a certain way, go at it. It made your YT channel more fun for me.

Edit: I am not transphobic because I am not afraid of trannies. I actively enjoy them and accept them, just like I do for furries, bronies, and Trekkies.

Shit, 5,000 subscribers? That must make me some kind of superstar! Maybe next time I go shopping I should try and push to the front of the queue and then shout "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? I'M A YOUTUBE CELEBRITY!!!" at the cashier.

I mean, I know I said I wasn't going to respond to you anymore but that's really goddamn funny.

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Originally Posted by Kogen

They do not annoy me. I said I find it funny and have done it myself.

Would you believe me if I said I was actually an 8 year old fox boy trapped in a man's body? Or a pony trapped in a man's body? Or the reincarnation of Captain John Luke Picard?

No, of course not, because this is all make believe, just like transgenderism. People do it for fun and that is fine, just stop pretending it is a real gender. If you want to dress up and act a certain way, go at it. It made your YT channel more fun for me.

Edit: I am not transphobic because I am not afraid of trannies. I actively enjoy them and accept them, just like I do for furries, bronies, and Trekkies.

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Nice. I'm glad that it's all some cute little fucking joke for you, 'cause it sure isn't for me.

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

Nice. I'm glad that it's all some cute little fucking joke for you, 'cause it sure isn't for me.

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I am honestly not sure what happened. I assumed 13 year old boys called you a homo. Just block them and keep on doing it. You are always going to be picked on for being different, that is part of life.

im guessing most of these posts and replies are somewhat a little insensitivity written

Anyway, I'm done here and hopefully this thread will be done soon too, so I'm off into the queermobile back into the beyond. Seeing as this thread is about me, I damn well hope to have some say in how it ends.

Nice to see...well, not many of you really, but at least Kamahl and I had some civil chat. I'm sure a few of you aren't all bad.

One more. Kogen: You have a lot to learn. Like, really a lot to learn. I do not appreciate being considered a joke by someone who thinks playing dress up is the same as being trans. You do not have to live with it, and it is not something I'd recommend. I've got to a stage where I've embraced who I am and the journey that I have to take. A lot of people don't - there's a reason why the rate for suicide attempts in trans people is 41%. A lot of people don't accept us either - there's a reason why the rates for homelessness, drug abuse, assault and murder are much higher for trans people than the national average, particularly amongst trans people of color. There's a reason why the most famous day in the calendar for trans people is the one where we remember all of us who have been murdered. So forgive me if I sound humourless and take short shrift with you taking the piss out of my identity. I'm not here for that. And stop using the word tranny.

Anyway, byeeeee. Wherever you are etc.

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Originally Posted by KimbleJustice

Anyway, I'm done here and hopefully this thread will be done soon too, so I'm off into the queermobile back into the beyond. Seeing as this thread is about me, I damn well hope to have some say in how it ends.

Nice to see...well, not many of you really, but at least Kamahl and I had some civil chat. I'm sure a few of you aren't all bad.

One more. Kogen: You have a lot to learn. Like, really a lot to learn. I do not appreciate being considered a joke by someone who thinks playing dress up is the same as being trans. You do not have to live with it, and it is not something I'd recommend. I've got to a stage where I've embraced who I am and the journey that I have to take. A lot of people don't - there's a reason why the rate for suicide attempts in trans people is 41%. A lot of people don't accept us either - there's a reason why the rates for homelessness, drug abuse, assault and murder are much higher for trans people than the national average, particularly amongst trans people of color. There's a reason why the most famous day in the calendar for trans people is the one where we remember all of us who have been murdered. So forgive me if I sound humourless and take short shrift with you taking the piss out of my identity. I'm not here for that. And stop using the word tranny.

Anyway, byeeeee. Wherever you are etc.

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Lots of furries, bronies, and Trekkies take their fandom serious too. Trannies are not more 'deep' than anyone else. Look up 'otherkin', these people literally believe they are animal spirits trapped in human bodies.

The fact that you act out against me comes off as strange as I am entirely tolerant of you existing. I am just pointing out that you are not more important than other people. You turn people into enemies who have nothing against you. I even mentioned twice that I have cross-dressed myself.

Edit: wow, I am not allowed to use the word tranny? Furry is OK? Brony is OK? Trekkie is OK? You are demanding special treatment here.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

No, I know it's hard to believe but it wasn't how the group portrayed itself initially. That came shortly after yes. I'm just saying, don't trust what a group says it stands for, the people in it rarely do.

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Wrong. Antisemitism is at the core of Nazi, and Hitler's, beliefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Origins

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I won't deny men have a bias in that regard, because it still exists. Thing is, the law of supply and demand is not affected by that, much less when women are the majority consumer by a very large margin.
But that last part is not relevant for the discussion. I explained to you why different jobs are valued differently, it has nothing to do with the preferences of men.
So you have no idea how the free market works, your example does not apply, and you keep spewing propaganda.

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No, no. It's very much like videogame prices -- expensive games are not usually expensive just because they are rare. They are expensive because people want them and thus they are valuable. Value does not just happen on its own, it comes from people wanting that game. There are many rare games which are cheap, and expensive games which are common. It's the same with jobs -- it's not about rarity, really, it's about how much people value that job. Of course rarity is a factor, but as you can see with things like how some super-common games like Super Mario World (best selling game of the 4th generation!) often sell for fair amounts, rarity and price do not always co-relate. The real value of women's work is not really less than that of mens' work, it is just less valued by society because it is being done by females. Whatever jobs are female-dominated are always considered to be "lesser" and "less important" by men. Those men are the ones who make the decisions that determine demand. And of course raising children is a quite tough job that doesn't pay a cent.

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Originally Posted by Kamahl

My problem is that feminists say women don't go to maths because of societal pressures and "men" (somehow). Those are almost completely gone, what remains is quite simple. A lot of women simply don't want to. And that's ok, hence my robot analogy.

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Saying something like this while in the middle of making a lengthy argument about how much you dislike feminism and the women's rights movement is, to say the least, stunningly tone-deaf. This giant internet backlash against women in gaming is one of many examples of how far we still have to go towards gender equality today. There are many more. As for the issue of math specifically, I discussed my position on that earlier in this thread, and I don't think I got a reply, so I won't repeat it.

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I "understand" (I'm a white heterosexual male, so I can't honestly understand what you go through, but I'm a geek, so in part I do what's it like to be marginalised)

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Before this shocking war against women started I would have thought that the fact that as gamers we were/are indeed marginalized would have made people MORE likely to be understanding and accepting, not less! But for a minority at least, somehow things didn't work out that way. Horrible.

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No, i'm quite serious, SJWs have pretty much taken over everything. I play DnD and even that was taken over.

"How does an increased presence for women in gaming even affect you?"
See this is why gamers are pissed. That's not and has never been the problem.

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I know you and the rest of the sexists want to go back to the bad old days of the 1950s, when women didn't speak out, but it's not going to happen. Progress towards equality will continue, despite, or perhaps partially because of, this outrageously bigoted sexist behavior by so many people on the internet that we've seen in the last few months.

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Not every women is a feminist you know? That's why you have the Women Against Feminism movement.
There's a reason.

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Any woman who isn't a feminist is being ignorant -- women only got their current place in society because of the work of feminists. Rejecting that is pretty silly. Of course some do it, and always have, but the result is women who "claim to oppose feminism" while using the advantages that feminists brought to the world. Because I mean, men probably were not going to just give women rights if they didn't fight for them. One good example of this hypocrisy is Phyllis Schlafly, who back in the 1960s and 1970s successfully defeated the Equal Rights Amendment in the US, which would have put gender equality into the constitution. But a woman, going around, speaking, leading a women's group to vote against womens' rights? Without the successful work of the feminists she derided she'd never have gotten to that position!

I really enjoyed the A-Z of licensed games, did anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Kogen

Lots of furries, bronies, and Trekkies take their fandom serious too. Trannies are not more 'deep' than anyone else. Look up 'otherkin', these people literally believe they are animal spirits trapped in human bodies.

The fact that you act out against me comes off as strange as I am entirely tolerant of you existing. I am just pointing out that you are not more important than other people. You turn people into enemies who have nothing against you. I even mentioned twice that I have cross-dressed myself.

Edit: wow, I am not allowed to use the word tranny? Furry is OK? Brony is OK? Trekkie is OK? You are demanding special treatment here.

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well if you go upto a black person use the n word would that not insult someone, there is a difference between tranny and transsexual