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12-30-2014, 01:33 AM
gamevet

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

That's the point I've been trying to get through to you. Many Wii U owners also have a PS3 or 360. EA aimed Mass Effect 3 for Wii U at new comers. What do you think those Wii U owners, even if they are uninformed, are going to buy when they walk into the store? The $60 last chapter, or the $40 compilation of all three? They're going to go with the compilation. The point is that EA sabotaged their own release. Now it could have been completely unintentional, but they did sabotage it.

The numbers clearly show that a very small percentage of PS3 and 360 owners bought the compilation. The compilation for the 360 gamers was more of a collector's item, than anything new for them. You can find forum posts that show the Wii U version of ME3 selling about as well as the compilations on the 360 and PS3 during the 1st week. I don't believe a compilation would have sold much better on the Wii U.

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You really think that's who bought the most Wii Us?

That's from Nintendo's developer conference this year. It tells us that the majority of the Wii U's owners are males between the ages of 18-35. You really think these people aren't into gaming enough to at least check how good a game is before they buy it?

I never said that soccer moms are who bought the most Wii U's. I meant that there is a portion of the user-base that knows nothing about what is going on in the industry. Your chart also shows that 30% of the owners of the Wii U have never used the eShop. Who do you think that demographic is?

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Mortal Kombat Trilogy didn't come out the same week as Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 on the Saturn. There were at least a good 3 or so months in between. Not to mention the internet was still in it's infancy at that point, we didn't have tons of gaming news sites announcing things left and right.

It came out for the Saturn on June 23rd of 1996 (the slowest time of the year back then) and MK Trilogy came out on September 1st of the same year. The Saturn had 9 weeks of having an exclusive MK title, that was trumped by the Playstation game during the holiday season.

So, you have magazine coverage of E3 announcing that the Saturn had an exclusive deal UMK3, and then out comes Sony announcing that they'll have MK Trilogy available on September 1st. Sega got hosed.

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$30 still isn't $10 bargain bin prices. As for Call of Duty, I mentioned the major issue with that in the article I linked. Call of Duty suffers from the Network issue. People are going to buy the version their friends play so they can play together. So a Wii U port is already at a disadvantage. Throw in a less than steller port with no DLC support and you have a real problem. DLC map packs are a big part of Call of Duty. Not having those is a pretty big deal breaker. Call of Duty never had a chance at 360 numbers on the Wii U, but they could have had better numbers had they made the DLC available.

Who would have known about the network issues with Call of Duty: Ghosts on the Wii U, until several weeks later? Wii U owners would have bought that game on day 1, if they were really interested in playing the game on that console.

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Thanks for proving the point.

Your point was that the Trilogy killed the sales of the ME3 on the Wii U. My point was that people that already owned a PS3, or 360, would have played that game long before the Trilogy had been released.

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They don't view it as viable AFTER the fact they tested the waters with shit. Good releases actually did well at launch. Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed actually sold on par with the 360 and PS3 versions. The rest of your post actually touches on my point to a certain degree. A multi-console owner will choose the Wii U version of a third party game if the developer gives them a reason to choose it. Most of those ports failed to do that.

No, because you're expecting a 3rd party publisher to give the Wii U more consideration on a multi-console game. They are going to make more money with a game on the 360 and PS3, then they are with the Wii U. The sales for Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed makes perfect sense, since the Wii U is the more family-friendly console.

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The why buy crap though I can twist around for the PS4 and Xbox One. If you own a PC, there's no point in getting one of those unless you really like Sony games.

There is a point in getting these consoles, beyond their console exclusives. The online community feels so detached with the PC crowd, unless you are a member of an MMO or play StarCraft II. Titanfall has such a small user-base, that it feels like a waste of money to buy the DLC maps, while the Xbox community for this game is so much larger. My PC kicks major ass, but the online stuff is divided between your friends on Uplay, Origin, Steam and Battle-net. The PSN and Live community is so much better.

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Yet GTA V runs fine on PS4 and Xbox One, and their not PPC architecture. Then there's Sega's PC ports which have been pretty top notch lately. If PPC architecture was such a problem we'd be seeing all these games suffering.

It runs fine on the PS4 and XB1, because the developers spent a year on the title optimizing it for the consoles. Watchdogs on the PC has frame-rate stuttering issues, because the memory management of the game was designed around the unified memory of the APUs in the PS4 and XB1. My PC should not have issues, with an i5-2500k @ 4.7 Ghz and an EVGA GTX 780 Classified.

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Yes, Unity is a favorite with indie games. It's a favorite because it's easy to use and it's easy to do multiplatform releases using it. It's also a rather capable engine. Contrary to what you may think, it's actually a 3D engine. But, there are still other engines out there that can work on both X86 and PPC. Forstbite, CryEngine, and Unreal 3 being some big ones. Yes Unreal 4 isn't available, but it could be ported if someone wanted to do it. They have it on the iPhone after all.

My point was that Unity is not a great example. It will run on really crappy hardware, because you can run the same game on a mobile device, console or PC.

The CryEngine on the consoles is not the same as that of the PCs. Crysis 3 on the PC will tax your CPU and GPU, because it takes advantage of the PC hardware (it was developed on the PC first), while Crysis 2 was gimped on the PC, because it was developed for the consoles 1st, and then ported to the PC.

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I admit nicer hardware would be better. But bad game sales have just as much to do with the developer who made them as they do their platform. A shit game is going to sell like shit regardless of it's platform. And that doesn't excuse the issue of not releasing games they are still releasing on PS3 and 360, nor does it excuse giving worse versions on Wii U than what they give on the 360 and PS3.

Those Mario party games should have sold like shit as well. They weren't exactly great games.

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The Wii U's CPU cores actually are quite a bit more efficient than the ones in the 360 and PS3. Go take a look through the NeoGAF thread on it. They actually put together some benchmarks and found it to perform significantly better. You're making the Apples to Oranges comparison if you're just looking at Clockrate to compare the two:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...8#post58036908

It's one test. They also touch on the subject of the poor FPU performance of the CPU, that wasn't shown.

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Metacritic score has gone up since launch. Originally it was a bit lower. And look at the scores from the big name sites like IGN, Gamespot, Edge Magazine, etc. They're not pretty.

Throw in that Ubisoft obviously overestimated their sales while hoping to ride on a fad that had died out years earlier and you have a problem.

IGN's complaint was that the game was too hard.

Dead Island and The Last of Us sales suggest that the fad is/was far from dead.

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They did have software ready for launch. They had Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros U ready while publishing Arkham City and Ninja Gaiden 3. And before you say "But 4 games aren't enough!", Sony only put out Knack and Killzone with a handful of Indie titles for the PS4 launch.

Yes, they did have software at launch, but the 1st party stuff wasn't exactly ground-breaking. New Super Mario Bros. U, was pretty much the Wii game repackaged. And Nintendo Land is hardly a great title.

Yeah, the XB1 and PS4 had ho-hum software at launch, but those consoles have a solid user-base that knows that the 1st and 3rd party software will show up. That's why I finally got my PS4 this Christmas.

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That's the point here. Making demands is one thing, making unrealistic demands is another. It had nothing to do with wanting to make money, it was a decision made out of spite. You honestly think Madden wouldn't have sold on the Dreamcast?

They made unrealistic demands, because they didn't see the DC has having a long place in the market. They were pretty much right.

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Once again, you're wrong. Sony owned a portion of Square Enix at the time. Square had to get permission from them to develop games for other platforms. So they ended up creating their own satellite company to make games for GBA and Gamecube, Sony however still had exclusivity of new main series Final Fantasy games:

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/n...lement-details

Squaresoft made an exclusive console deal with Sony in the 90's. They did not have an exclusive deal with the handheld market for games, however, and had released games on the Wonderswan, since that wasn't part of the deal they had with Sony. Nintendo would not allow Squaresoft to release games on the GBA, without them releasing a game for the Gamecube, so Squaresoft had to work out a deal with Sony to do so. Squaresoft would not have signed that exclusive console deal with Sony, if they didn't have a lack of faith in Nintendo's consoles.

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It was also the last Nintendo system where Third Parties put forth a decent effort. With the Wii many were on board at first, but they dropped it when they realized their shovelware wasn't going to sell.

If you're talking about the N64, Nintendo had to strike deals with companies like Midway to ensure that they had exclusive content. Companies like EA and Activision didn't jump on-board until they'd noticed that the N64 had a market in North America. The Wii was in a similar situation, where big 3rd party publishers didn't jump on-board, until they'd noticed that the sales of the console justified a need to exploit its large user-base.

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And more hardware might sell if more games were available for it. Many jumped ship when the future was still uncertain. They jumped ship when they saw typical launch sales.

This all goes back to consumer confidence. The DC had an outstanding launch lineup, but it couldn't compete with the promising future of the PS2. The success of the Wii was based around getting non-gamers to buy the console, while the Wii U has to rely on consumer confidence to help establish a user-base, and it comes down to more than just software at launch to do that.

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At launch it was already being sold at a loss. Dropping the price then would have been even more damaging. As for right now, you need to go look at PS3 and 360 prices. Sony and Microsoft still want $250+ for them, unless you get one with no HDD. Dropping the price now would be nice, but at this point the damage has already been done. Back when this was happening, that wasn't a viable option.

The PS3 and 360 were sold at a loss at launch as well. MS dropped the Kinect 2 for the XB1 to make their console competitive with the PS4. The Wii U hasn't shown enough reasons why the console needs to have that expensive gamepad, and even though it's a neat interface, it is still an expense that the console could do without.
12-30-2014, 05:43 AM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by gamevet

The numbers clearly show that a very small percentage of PS3 and 360 owners bought the compilation. The compilation for the 360 gamers was more of a collector's item, than anything new for them. You can find forum posts that show the Wii U version of ME3 selling about as well as the compilations on the 360 and PS3 during the 1st week. I don't believe a compilation would have sold much better on the Wii U.

Prove it. Show the sales data. From what I remember back when it came out, the Wii U versions sales were abysmal, while the Trilogy was at least had acceptable sales. The fact the Trilogy has sold more at full price than what the Wii U port has sold at $10 for 2 years should tell you something. It may not have lit the world on fire for sales, but it probably would have sold better than just the third installment. And there's no knowing if it would have had an affect on the Wii U's launch, or if it would have had an impact on how many copies got sold for PS3 and 360.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

I never said that soccer moms are who bought the most Wii U's. I meant that there is a portion of the user-base that knows nothing about what is going on in the industry. Your chart also shows that 30% of the owners of the Wii U have never used the eShop. Who do you think that demographic is?

Not the majority? Remember, my argument was the majority of Wii U owners, not all Wii U owners.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

It came out for the Saturn on June 23rd of 1996 (the slowest time of the year back then) and MK Trilogy came out on September 1st of the same year. The Saturn had 9 weeks of having an exclusive MK title, that was trumped by the Playstation game during the holiday season.

So, you have magazine coverage of E3 announcing that the Saturn had an exclusive deal UMK3, and then out comes Sony announcing that they'll have MK Trilogy available on September 1st. Sega got hosed.

1) When was it announced that Trilogy was coming out?
2) By saying Sega got hosed if anything you're reinforcing my point. Announcing a better deal before another similar competing product comes out is going to have a detrimental effect on the competing product's sales. Your personal experience of buying the game is irrelevant.

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Who would have known about the network issues with Call of Duty: Ghosts on the Wii U, until several weeks later? Wii U owners would have bought that game on day 1, if they were really interested in playing the game on that console.

That's not what I meant. I'm not even sure if there were technical network issues with Ghosts and Black Ops 2 on Wii U. The network issue I meant is that Wii U, PC, XBL, and PSN players can't play together. While yes this is a duh observation, it is important. Fans of Call of Duty who own a Wii U and a 360/PS3/PS4/Xbox One have a choice to make. But the version where they can play with their friends, or buy the version where they can play on the Wii U. Most are going to pick friends over Wii U. That's an uphill battle that's pretty much un-winnable at this point. The only way to get around this is to make it so everyone can play together, which most likely won't be happening anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Your point was that the Trilogy killed the sales of the ME3 on the Wii U. My point was that people that already owned a PS3, or 360, would have played that game long before the Trilogy had been released.

Again, that's not necessarily true. I had a 360 that whole time and I never played any of them until I picked up the Wii U port of 3 for $10. When you combine all the sales of the Trilogy it's close to about 1 million, so obviously about 1 million people didn't play it. If you missed the first one or two games, jumping into the third one is discouraging knowing that all the games build on each other, and without the trilogy you have to buy all three separately. The Trilogy was a nice cheap bundle for those people. Those same people EA was aiming at with the Wii U release of 3.

The Trilogy release hurt the sales of ME3 on the Wii U. There's no denying that.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

No, because you're expecting a 3rd party publisher to give the Wii U more consideration on a multi-console game. They are going to make more money with a game on the 360 and PS3, then they are with the Wii U. The sales for Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed makes perfect sense, since the Wii U is the more family-friendly console.

That game was also a solid port with good use of the gamepad. I'm not expecting a third party to give the Wii U more consideration, I'm expecting them to give it equal consideration. Few of them did that. Just about every third party port is half-assed and and gimped save a few exceptions.

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There is a point in getting these consoles, beyond their console exclusives. The online community feels so detached with the PC crowd, unless you are a member of an MMO or play StarCraft II. Titanfall has such a small user-base, that it feels like a waste of money to buy the DLC maps, while the Xbox community for this game is so much larger. My PC kicks major ass, but the online stuff is divided between your friends on Uplay, Origin, Steam and Battle-net. The PSN and Live community is so much better.

You missed the point. You focused on the example instead of the point that was actually being made.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

It runs fine on the PS4 and XB1, because the developers spent a year on the title optimizing it for the consoles.

No they spent a year upgarding it. There's also examples like The Last of Us Remastered, Tomb Raider, etc. All of which were ported in under a year to PS4 and Xbox One. I highly doubt most of that time was spent on optimizing or worrying about PPC to x86. It was most likely spent on upgrading the assets.

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Watchdogs on the PC has frame-rate stuttering issues, because the memory management of the game was designed around the unified memory of the APUs in the PS4 and XB1. My PC should not have issues, with an i5-2500k @ 4.7 Ghz and an EVGA GTX 780 Classified.

Watch Dogs is typical Ubisoft trash. It's performance has to do with Ubisoft incompetence, not architecture differences.

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My point was that Unity is not a great example. It will run on really crappy hardware, because you can run the same game on a mobile device, console or PC.

The CryEngine on the consoles is not the same as that of the PCs. Crysis 3 on the PC will tax your CPU and GPU, because it takes advantage of the PC hardware (it was developed on the PC first), while Crysis 2 was gimped on the PC, because it was developed for the consoles 1st, and then ported to the PC.

Unreal 4 runs on Mobile devices.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Those Mario party games should have sold like shit as well. They weren't exactly great games.

Mario Party is a party game, it sells on it's multiplayer experience. Again you're making apples to oranges comparisons.

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It's one test. They also touch on the subject of the poor FPU performance of the CPU, that wasn't shown.

Actually in that same post is a link to FPU tests. When optimized it actually performs quite well.

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IGN's complaint was that the game was too hard.

Dead Island and The Last of Us sales suggest that the fad is/was far from dead.

The Last of US isn't advertised as a Zombie game, it's advertised as a cinematic naughty dog masterpiece. As for Dead Island, it came out a year prior on the tale end of the fad. Its successor that came out two years later sold significantly less, showing the fad has in fact died down.

The point is the game didn't review very well, it was part of a dead/dying fad, and it had some pretty bad bugs at launch.

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Yes, they did have software at launch, but the 1st party stuff wasn't exactly ground-breaking. New Super Mario Bros. U, was pretty much the Wii game repackaged. And Nintendo Land is hardly a great title.

Killzone was a PS3 souped up PS3 game, and Knack was hardly a great title. Sony's PS4 launch titles weren't ground breaking either.

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Yeah, the XB1 and PS4 had ho-hum software at launch, but those consoles have a solid user-base that knows that the 1st and 3rd party software will show up. That's why I finally got my PS4 this Christmas.

By December of 2013 the PS4 had a user base of 3 Million. By December of 2013 the Wii U had a user base of 3 million. Many of these developers also gave better offerings on PS4 and Xbox One than what they gave the Wii U. Were Madden and Fifa severely gimped on PS4 and Xbox One? No. Was Assassin's Creed a poorly running port? No. Those developers instilling confidence with their PS4/Xbox One titles. They didn't with their Wii U titles.

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They made unrealistic demands, because they didn't see the DC has having a long place in the market. They were pretty much right.

Do you not understand the term self-fulfilling prophecy? If EA had jumped on board with the Dreamcast, it could have gotten other developers on board and helped boost sales by boosting the library with their games. We don't know though because they refused to touch it. They said it wasn't viable and wouldn't sell 1 Million units. It sailed past that mark easily and EA still refused to touch it.

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Squaresoft made an exclusive console deal with Sony in the 90's. They did not have an exclusive deal with the handheld market for games, however, and had released games on the Wonderswan, since that wasn't part of the deal they had with Sony. Nintendo would not allow Squaresoft to release games on the GBA, without them releasing a game for the Gamecube, so Squaresoft had to work out a deal with Sony to do so. Squaresoft would not have signed that exclusive console deal with Sony, if they didn't have a lack of faith in Nintendo's consoles.

Source? Because there's absolutely no mention of that in the source I linked, nor is it mentioned in anything concerning Crystal Chronicles developement.

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If you're talking about the N64, Nintendo had to strike deals with companies like Midway to ensure that they had exclusive content. Companies like EA and Activision didn't jump on-board until they'd noticed that the N64 had a market in North America. The Wii was in a similar situation, where big 3rd party publishers didn't jump on-board, until they'd noticed that the sales of the console justified a need to exploit its large user-base.

Yeah, that's totally why we didn't have third party support at launch. Oh wait, we did.

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This all goes back to consumer confidence. The DC had an outstanding launch lineup, but it couldn't compete with the promising future of the PS2. The success of the Wii was based around getting non-gamers to buy the console, while the Wii U has to rely on consumer confidence to help establish a user-base, and it comes down to more than just software at launch to do that.

And as a developer you can choose to either help instill confidence with quality software, or choose to give your customers on that platform the finger. Many chose the latter with the Wii U.

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The PS3 and 360 were sold at a loss at launch as well. MS dropped the Kinect 2 for the XB1 to make their console competitive with the PS4. The Wii U hasn't shown enough reasons why the console needs to have that expensive gamepad, and even though it's a neat interface, it is still an expense that the console could do without.

The Wii U's OS and everything is designed heavily around the gamepad. And there's quite a few games that rely on it directly. Most of Nintendo Land is unplayable with out it, Lego City Undercover is unplayable with out it. Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros U, etc. all use it and there are parts of the game that depend on it. Removing it isn't viable. As for PS3 and 360 being sold at a launch, perhaps that's why they didn't make much of a profit. Heck the Xbox brand had one profitable year and then went straight back to bleeding money last generation.
12-30-2014, 06:21 AM
True Grave

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

I'm not even saying Nintendo should tell third parties to do better. I'm saying third party developers should take responsibility for their own fuck ups rather than blame their customers and Nintendo. And let's be honest here, save for a few exceptions, just about every release from EA, Ubisoft, etc. on the Wii U has been one fuck up after the other.

If nintendo wants 3rd parties to take them seriously again, they need to take themselves seriously first and take responsibility for their screw-ups. The first thing they need to start with is the hardware, and stop releasing half-crippled systems with terrible built-in storage and no movie disc playback.

Seriously, a device in this day & age that's equipped with a blu-ray drive that CANNOT play blu-ray movies? Are you f'in serious?! :mad:

Thats like the DUMBEST move EVER.

Oh nintendo, bless their hearts. One day they'll come around and join the rest of the world in the modern era.
12-30-2014, 03:57 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

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If nintendo wants 3rd parties to take them seriously again, they need to take themselves seriously first and take responsibility for their screw-ups. The first thing they need to start with is the hardware, and stop releasing half-crippled systems with terrible built-in storage and no movie disc playback.

Technically all the system's this generation are pretty crippled. The CPU in the PS4 and Xbox One are pretty crappy too and as Ubisoft's demo showed, the PS3 CPU can outperform them. The GPU's are at least decent on the PS4 and Xbox One, but the Wii U's was also decent for when the system was finalized back around 2010 early 2011.

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Seriously, a device in this day & age that's equipped with a blu-ray drive that CANNOT play blu-ray movies? Are you f'in serious?! :mad:

Thats like the DUMBEST move EVER.

Oh nintendo, bless their hearts. One day they'll come around and join the rest of the world in the modern era.

It's possible by the time the next systems come around physical media for movies will be dead, and we'll all be using things like Netflix exclusively. Which with that Nintendo's ahead of the curve. No one gives a damn about their systems being able to play physical movies because digital distributing is slowly taking over.

We get it, you're butt hurt that you can't play movies on your Wii U, and buying a cheap DVD/BluRay player is far too much for you. Cry us a freaking river.
12-30-2014, 06:24 PM
True Grave

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Technically all the system's this generation are pretty crippled. The CPU in the PS4 and Xbox One are pretty crappy too and as Ubisoft's demo showed, the PS3 CPU can outperform them. The GPU's are at least decent on the PS4 and Xbox One, but the Wii U's was also decent for when the system was finalized back around 2010 early 2011.

If PS4 & XBONE are "crippled" systems, then that just makes Wii U look so much worse.

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It's possible by the time the next systems come around physical media for movies will be dead, and we'll all be using things like Netflix exclusively. Which with that Nintendo's ahead of the curve. No one gives a damn about their systems being able to play physical movies because digital distributing is slowly taking over.

Yeah, no. Physical media will NEVER completely go out of style. People like having hard copies of their purchased material and data, especially movies, not just games.

Especially since history has well demonstrated that digital-only distribution is a TERRIBLE idea in the long run. Companies don't just pay one fee and keep their stuff up forever. They must continue paying a fee to keep the rights & licensing current, or else it gets taken down. There have been plenty of X-Box live games over the years where the publisher stopped paying, and then game is gone....FOREVER.

Same for netflix. They can only keep what they continue to pay for. When they stop, its GONE. Yay for digital distribution. A bleak future indeed :roll:

But i'm sure you'll keep telling yourself whatever you have to, in order to feel better about nintendo's horrible decisions.
12-30-2014, 07:17 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by True Grave

If PS4 & XBONE are "crippled" systems, then that just makes Wii U look so much worse.

The Genesis was weaker than the SNES in certain areas, that didn't stop it from being competitive. The SNES had a weaker CPU than the Genesis and even the PC Engine as some will debate. That didn't stop it from being successful. The Gamecube was every bit competitive with the Xbox and PS2 in it's generation, yet it still didn't make a huge dent in sales. The point is that the hardware really doesn't matter, what matters is what games are available and how good they are.

Even if Nintendo were to release a new system tomorrow that was the most powerful thing on earth, EA and Ubisoft still probably wouldn't bring their A game. They'd test the waters with crap and go "Oh look, Nintendo fans don't like our games!"

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Yeah, no. Physical media will NEVER completely go out of style. People like having hard copies of their purchased material and data, especially movies, not just games.

Especially since history has well demonstrated that digital-only distribution is a TERRIBLE idea in the long run. Companies don't just pay one fee and keep their stuff up forever. They must continue paying a fee to keep the rights & licensing current, or else it gets taken down. There have been plenty of X-Box live games over the years where the publisher stopped paying, and then game is gone....FOREVER.

Same for netflix. They can only keep what they continue to pay for. When they stop, its GONE. Yay for digital distribution. A bleak future indeed :roll:

But i'm sure you'll keep telling yourself whatever you have to, in order to feel better about nintendo's horrible decisions.

I agree it's a shitty future and there's disadvantages, but it's pretty much happening whether we like it or not. Heck even conventional TV services are dying now that things like Hulu exist. Whether you like it or not, most people don't give a damn about physical media releases, they just want to watch their movies on their iPhones and iPads, then they can use Netflix when they want to watch a movie on their TV, which the Wii U provides.

Watching movies on consoles was big when the PS2 came out because it was a cheap DVD player, similarly with the PS3 and BluRay, but BluRay didn't explode in popularity like DVD did. At this point it's mostly a novelty that people don't care about. If you're a film buff and want to collect BluRays for the quality, odds are you're going to want to get a standalone player because they offer more and better features than the barebones players these consoles have. They're going to offer more hook up options for your home theater set up too.

The fact that you are really the only person in this thread consistently bitching about this should tell you something about how big of a deal it really is.

Anyways, to get back on topic here. Did anyone else download Duck Hunt for the Virtual Console? I got it to get the last few points I needed for my DDP code before that promotion ends. Overall it's a pretty good version, you use a Wii Remote as a Zapper and they even made it so the sound that comes through the speaker when you shoot is the trigger sound the original NES Zapper made. My only complaints is that it's a bit too easy now as theirs a cross hair to show you where you're pointing the Wii Remote.
12-30-2014, 08:14 PM
True Grave

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

The Genesis was weaker than the SNES in certain areas, that didn't stop it from being competitive. The SNES had a weaker CPU than the Genesis and even the PC Engine as some will debate. That didn't stop it from being successful.

Yeah, no. Both Genesis & SNES had their own strengths & weaknesses that evened things out, with neither system having a substantial hardware advantage.

You can't say the same for Wii U. Its just at a big disadvantage all-around.

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I agree it's a shitty future and there's disadvantages, but it's pretty much happening whether we like it or not. Heck even conventional TV services are dying now that things like Hulu exist. Whether you like it or not, most people don't give a damn about physical media releases, they just want to watch their movies on their iPhones and iPads, then they can use Netflix when they want to watch a movie on their TV, which the Wii U provides.

Uhhh no. Digital distribution just makes it possible to enjoy things EASIER. In the end, people still like having actual physical content when it comes to those shows they really enjoy. Just look at any sales website, and you'll see stuff like DBZ & seinfield box sets are still selling about as well as they ever did.

But again, its whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better about Nintendo's decisions.

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12-30-2014, 08:27 PM
The Jackal

Is there any evidence that says the Wii U uses a Blu Ray drive? Because it's unknown what the drive is exactly, according to Wikipedia and a few other sites (yeah, I researched before putting my foot in it for once). Nintendo flat out refuses it's technically capable of playing them. Yet they said the same with DVDs on the Wii, and we all know that was a lie.
12-30-2014, 08:38 PM
j_factor

I don't think physical media is going away, but it's going to be a niche rather than the way most people do things. Which is not something I'm happy about, as I strongly prefer physical releases.

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Is there any evidence that says the Wii U uses a Blu Ray drive? Because it's unknown what the drive is exactly, according to Wikipedia and a few other sites (yeah, I researched before putting my foot in it for once). Nintendo flat out refuses it's technically capable of playing them. Yet they said the same with DVDs on the Wii, and we qll know that was a lie.

Did they say that about DVDs on the Wii? I thought I remembered them promising at launch that DVD playback would be patched in at a later time.
12-30-2014, 09:11 PM
The Jackal

Yeah, you're absolutely correct. I still put my foot in my mouth it seems. My bad. Reading old articles on Joystiq reveals it was removed, then they say it would be added in for Japan only, then that changed to it being a world-wide patch, then news on the subject just went cold. All that tells me is they were going back and forth about paying the royalties, but chose the cheaper route. We know it was a planned commercial feature because hackers found System menu icons and code for it. And also the fact they got it working of course.
12-30-2014, 11:42 PM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by True Grave

Yeah, no. Both Genesis & SNES had their own strengths & weaknesses that evened things out, with neither system having a substantial hardware advantage.

You can't say the same for Wii U. Its just at a big disadvantage all-around.

The gap in power is very similar though. GPU wise the Genesis can't compete with the SNES by a mile. That's what 2+ years of development causes. The saving grace of the Genesis is that it has a substantially better CPU than the SNES and it's on a faster bus. You need to remember the Wii U's hardware was pretty much finalized back around 2010-2011. The GPU for that time is respectable, the CPU isn't that bad either. Really if Nintendo went with an 8-core CPU using the same cores they went with the CPU probably wouldn't even be an issue. But back when this was being developed we were lucky to have 4-core CPUs, 8 was unheard of. Really my only disappointment with it for when it came out was that they didn't go with at least 4GB of RAM.

Is it weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One? Yes. It was also finalized earlier and came out earlier. And considering that most PS4 and Xbox One releases are struggling to hit 30fps, I'd say it's really not that big of a deal. Nintendo's been giving us nothing but solid 60fps titles. As more and more hyped up PS4/Xbox One releases come out and prove to be poorly performing, downgraded, buggy messes, it's just reinforcing the idea I've had since the start. The best set up this Generation is Wii U + PC. If you don't really care about Sony's franchises like me, there's little reason to own a PS4. If you don't care about a Halo compilation and Sunset Overdrive, there's little reason to own an Xbox One too. The only thing keeping my interest in those games is Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3, and if Square Enix's current dabbling in PC releases means anything, we might see those hit PC.

Finally, if hardware is the reason EA and other third parties aren't supporting the Wii U, then why the hell are they still supporting the original Wii?:

http://www.toysrus.com/graphics/tru_...19413547dt.jpg

Heck they even gave the PS2 Fifa 14 over the Wii U:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...hciymlijpg.jpg

They're even supporting the Vita. Vita can't be that much cheaper to develop for than the Wii U, it's an HD portable after all. If they can support a system that's on even worse life support, there's no excuse to not support the Wii U as well.

EA and other third parties could have a market on the Wii U if they tried and put forth a solid effort. They didn't. They threw scraps and when no one bought them they dropped the system. Could Nintendo have gone with better hardware? Sure. But at the same time EA, Ubisoft, Warner Bros Games, etc. could have all put out better quality products too. The excuse of hardware went out the window when they chose to support it initially. Everything after that point is in their hands as the game developer to put forth a solid product and make sure it sells. Saying Nintendo should have babysat them is nothing but an excuse to shift the blame off the people who were 100% in control of the situation. No one blames Valve for shitty third party releases on Steam, Sony for shitty third party releases on Playstation, or Microsoft for shitty third party releases on Xbox, so then why the hell does it make sense to blame Nintendo for shitty third party releases on their systems? Blame the people who developed the game, not the people who simply gave them a platform to release it on.

But this discussion has gone on long enough. It's clear we both have our own views and they're not changing any time soon. If you want to continue this, go make another Wii U console warring thread for it.

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Originally Posted by True Grave

Uhhh no. Digital distribution just makes it possible to enjoy things EASIER. In the end, people still like having actual physical content when it comes to those shows they really enjoy. Just look at any sales website, and you'll see stuff like DBZ & seinfield box sets are still selling about as well as they ever did.

But again, its whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better about Nintendo's decisions.

:?

Way to miss the point. If you actually read you'd see I agree with you. I prefer physical media too. But it's pretty much dying. Anime box sets are a niche market for their fans, you can't honestly think that reflects the market as a whole. Whether we like it or not, digital distribution is taking over:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...06440621142958

It's not me telling myself things to feel better about Nintendo's decisions, it's the reality of the situation.

Now, if all you want to do is bitch about the fact that you can't play DVDs on your Wii U, go make your own thread about it. This thread isn't the place for it. From the first post in this thread:

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So in the other thread we discussed making a new thread just for General Wii U discussion and for members to exchange what games they recommend and what not.

That's what this thread is for. General Wii U discussion and to discuss games and accessory recommendations. We've discussed this topic enough. The majority of Wii U owners in this thread don't give a damn that it can't play movies. We've discussed it, there's nothing left to discuss about it. Bitching won't make the hardware magically change, and I'm getting sick and tired of any attempt to discuss games or new releases on the system being buried by your bitching. Go make your own thread.
12-31-2014, 01:41 AM
sull56ivan2010

^Geez. Fuckin sore loser if I have ever seen one, all for a game company that makes mistake after mistake for their home consoles.
12-31-2014, 01:49 AM
BonusKun

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

most people don't give a damn about physical media releases, .

No, that is dead wrong.
12-31-2014, 03:45 AM
TrekkiesUnite118

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Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010

^Geez. Fuckin sore loser if I have ever seen one, all for a game company that makes mistake after mistake for their home consoles.

This isn't the thread for that discussion. That's the point. Either respect the OP of the thread, or don't post in it.

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No, that is dead wrong.

One, not the thread for this. Two, actually it's pretty much dead on as far as movies are concerned. It's even getting that way for games too. As much as we may hate it, us collectors are the minority in this situation.

Now if you want to discuss the issue of the shrinking market for physical media, go make your own thread about it.
12-31-2014, 07:04 AM
BonusKun

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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118

Two, actually it's pretty much dead on as far as movies are concerned. It's even getting that way for games too. As much as we may hate it, us collectors are the minority in this situation.

Now if you want to discuss the issue of the shrinking market for physical media, go make your own thread about it.

How do you figure physical media is taking a backseat to digital distribution when an average joe can goto any gamestore and find copies of new games all the time on the shelves? And don't tell me to go make my own thread about it when you opened this can of worms in this thread.

You're making it sound like a multi-billion dollar industry in solid state media is drying up completely. Why would even companies & retailers even begin to think of killing off a huge profitable venue like that? Did you even research this?

If that was the case, Shit like NES Remix which was originally a digital release only wouldn't have gotten not one but two physical releases on two different Nintendo game systems. If you're gonna make up stuff because people are buying digital and physicial media then at least try and make yourself believeable. The game & movie industry both know that digital is another source for releases but they arn't stupid enough to cut off their own legs when it comes to solid state media because people are and this is important.. Buying solid state media just as much if not more then digital.

This is along the same retarded lines of the Xbox One's original policy on trading used games to friends. People all over the world made a huge fucking stink about it that microsoft realized they were about to lose a shitton of money on digital lockout bullshit because they were trying to do some halfassed bullshit to try and combat piracy.

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