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I agree with you and tbh when I stop playing on real hardware for a while, and get used to emulation, I hardly if at all notice the input lag unless it's really bad. On most emulators though, the input lag is really not as bad as people make it out to be. The problem is after a while I end up wanting to take a break from emulators and go back to real hardware for their distinct nostalgic feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
I knew a couple of people who complained they started to suck at those games real bad after upgrading from a CRT HDTV to an LCD HDTV. I even played it first hand to see for myself and thought the same thing, it felt off. I don't know if they had calibrated for the CRT beforehand, but all I know is that once they re-calibrated the game for their new LCD HDTVs it was playable again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
Kamal already answered this pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by marlowe221
Just basic Genesis, NES, and SNES, using various Windows emulators. I didn't even notice a big difference myself until I received a free SNES, and started using it instead of emulation. I don't know how to describe it really, but the controls just feel so much better on the real thing. Other things like moving platforms just don't feel like they move the same way when emulated. Graphics just look like a jagged mash of pixels compared to the real thing. Snatcher looks fine on my TV, but I want to gouge my eyes out from the Kega Fusion version. My computer is in my living room with my console setup, so I can literally A/B the video thing.
Lag will always be there, no matter what. I'm using an LED tv for my consoles, and my input signal is still faster than Kega. I want a CRT badly, but I just don't have the room. Perhaps in my next house...
You didn't mention sound, but this is just a total deal breaker for me. Emulated sound just doesn't compare.
To be fair, I have played turn based games on emulators, and it's not too bad for that, gameplay wise, and I will concede, that without MAME, playing arcade games would be an impossibility for most.
Genesis Plus GX for the GCN/Wii reproduces the Genesis' sound really well, but yeah all other Genesis emulators sound like crap compared to the real hardware. I forgot to mention sound in this entire topic, thanks for reminding me.Quote:
Originally Posted by retro nick
No they don't. LCDs have a native resolution, while CRT HDTVs don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
Does there exist such a thing as a 1080p CRT TV? I know monitors exist, but even those are hard to find.
Alternatively on subject. I personally find that there is something much more satisfying playing a videogame the way it came out (console+cartridge). However it is not nearly as economically feasible as an emulator or console+flash cartridge.
Wrong. Those old CRT HDTVs ran at only one resolution, HD. They do not support native 480i.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
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Many multisync CRTs, like "newer" HDTVhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png sets, cannot display 480i any longer. 480i is often processed, deinterlaced or framedoubled and displayed as 480p internally.
IIRC Sony tried, but the highest res tube that made it to market was 1080i.Quote:
Does there exist such a thing as a 1080p CRT TV?
I basically play 3 retro consoles NES, Genesis, and SNES. The prices on those current console I feel is still reasonable in 2014. I don't mod them I just play them straight into a CRT. I have thought about getting an XRGB Mini, but why fix something that's not broken?
Now carts can get expensive. I don't buy SNES games I use an Everdrive and have no issues. But for some reason I still like to collect NES and Genesis carts. My big fear is one day this stuff will all stop working.
That doesn't say that CRT HDTVs run at only one resolution. He specifically says they can display 480p, but you'll get visible scanlines. They don't scale to a native resolution. Native 480i is outside of their range, but that's not the same thing as an LCD where every input is scaled internally to one native resolution. Also, 480i to 480p isn't scaling, just deinterlacing. An LCD does both when you feed it a 480i signal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
Also note that your quote says "many", not all, and "any longer", implying that this was not the case on older sets.
After going back to playing on a real CRT the lag on my LG Plasma is really noticeable and causes me to jump too late in games and things like that. You can adapt to it, but it's definitely much better to not have the lag at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadkill
I play with PC emulators on a CRT monitor. I sync all 60hz games at 60hz. I don't notice any lag this way. But i guess it depends on the emulator. RetroArch had some terrible input lag but it has an option, GPU Sync or something along these lines, that eliminates it (at the cost of some performance, but you should be good on any modern PC).
That's totally untrue. My Sony (4:3 display) KV-32HS420 supports 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i. It line doubles a 480i signal to fill the display for a 4:3 screen, but does not create lag by doing so. I've played Guitar Hero 1 (480i) and Guitar Hero 2 (480p) on my PS2 using that display and haven't noticed any difference in gameplay between the 2 titles. When the CRT goes into 720p and 1080i (widescreen mode), you can hear the gun frequency ramp up for the more intense display.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
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That's not a very good link. The guy talks about a sweet spot, yet really doesn't understand how the HD-CRT is going through its display settings from a 4:3 to a 16:9.
You are right. I stand corrected. While those HD CRTs do not natively support an interlaced signal, apparently they can switch between various HD resolutions. Which begs the question, why didn't they support 480i as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I found a 34" version of this TV for $50. I like to play my Dreamcast and older consoles on the TV, would this be a good TV for such?Quote:
Originally Posted by gamevet
I will say that real hardware is worth the trouble. Buy a decent model 1 and just enjoy your games. If your TV doesn't take 240p via component just use a small CRT with composite video. Happy gaming.