Mode 7 demo for Genesis/MD

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03-13-2015, 02:01 PM
dr apocalipsis

I'm pretty sure Gasega will put any sprite you want if you take the template he is using and edit it according the same guidelines ;)
03-14-2015, 12:04 AM
SEGA.GENESIS1989

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Originally Posted by Raijin

Lack of information is the real problem.

In this case:
Why does everyone say the Genesis has poor sound, and why do people think Axelay uses Mode7?

People like to talk bad about the Genesis sound. A lot of people don't figure though, that people are comparing it to the SNES as if they believe it should be a comparable thing, when in reality it isn't. As I always say, it doesn't make sense to compare a synthesizer (or PSG) to a sampler.

Genesis: -FM Synth/PSG
-Different, doesn't sound "realistic"
-Sound is programmed from scratch
-Sound is being played by the chip itself

SNES: Sample based
-Typical sound, more like real instruments
-Samples are imported instead of programmed
-Sound can not be played without samples

Axelay now. People just assume since it's scaling, it's Mode7. They don't observe the way it scrolls. Mode7 can't scale things like that; it's just line scrolling.

In both these cases, people hear what one person says, and believes it, whether it's true or not, and in most cases, it's untrue. This misinformation is believed, and spread, so more people believe it's true, and the ones that actually know the real truth get bashed because those people that do believe the misinformation is unwilling to believe the facts, and don't care about looking into it themselves.

That is what bothers me.

Gamers have a poor opinion of the console because back in the day some of the biggest games to be released on the console possessed poor audio and voice samples. I can't really blame people for not being aware of the SEGA Genesis'/Mega Drive's audio capabilities. It's only after you being to explore the console's library that you discover how great the sould quality can sound on the SEGA Genesis.
03-14-2015, 03:12 AM
Vector

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Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989

Gamers have a poor opinion of the console because back in the day some of the biggest games to be released on the console possessed poor audio and voice samples

..and they mostly had the genesis model 2 if they had a genesis at all..

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. I can't really blame people for not being aware of the SEGA Genesis'/Mega Drive's audio capabilities. It's only after you being to explore the console's library that you discover how great the sould quality can sound on the SEGA Genesis.

..i blame them for not knowing for over a decade at least on the internet it was always suggested or noted people should use a hi def model 1 with stereo cable out the front into a home stereo..hell people were smart enough to do this..in..get ready..1989..
03-14-2015, 04:45 PM
Nightwolf

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Originally Posted by Dennab

..i blame them for not knowing for over a decade at least on the internet it was always suggested or noted people should use a hi def model 1 with stereo cable out the front into a home stereo..hell people were smart enough to do this..in..get ready..1989..

But the fact is, those games still have very bad sounds (voices), for example, Thunder Force IV, as great as a game is, the voices are a farcry from other aspects from the game. And that's is a pity. Or Street Fighter II (that was excelent fixed by the excelent comunity)
03-14-2015, 05:57 PM
Vector

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Originally Posted by Nightwolf

But the fact is, those games still have very bad sounds (voices), for example,

..well i had revenge of shinobi, sonic, altered beast, nba 1995, nhl 1994, sor, sor2, vectorman, dynamite heady, comix zone and others and the sound quality, sound fx and soundtrack sounded great out of my model 1 front into a tv or stereo..

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Thunder Force IV, as great as a game is, the voices are a farcry from other aspects from the game. And that's is a pity. Or Street Fighter II (that was excelent fixed by the excelent comunity)

..ok those are just 2 games..and 1 has just been fixed..yes some games had lazy programmers or just compressed the crap out of the audio to fit in a cart, but not all or maybe not "most" of the games..i guess if you had zelda on a snes and had thunderforce 4 on a model 2 genesis you could make a conclusion based off your expierence, but i had both a model 1 genesis hooked up correctly and a snes, and i thought both sounded good, then again i had my experience with the games i listed above, other peoples experiences are different..however with whatever experience the information is on the web now and a decade or more ago..
03-14-2015, 06:12 PM
Nightwolf

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Originally Posted by Dennab

..well i had revenge of shinobi, sonic, altered beast, nba 1995, nhl 1994, sor, sor2, vectorman, dynamite heady, comix zone and others and the sound quality, sound fx and soundtrack sounded great out of my model 1 front into a tv or stereo..

Of course are games that sounds great, usually megadrive uniques games (but then, you have Story of Thor :( ). But when people try to compare, usually point a game that were ported for different platform. Alien 3 voices for Amiga sounds amazing, but megadrive voices are bad. They are lot of example of this. Of course, this seems not a really fault of system, but how game was done, because different reasons. And Megadrive V2 didnt help either, nor to mention the emulators. Anyway, all this comments are offtopic, please, go ahead with this amazing Mode 7 demo....

Played latest build on Mega Everdrive and man.... runs and looks SO great!
03-14-2015, 06:37 PM
Vector

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Originally Posted by Nightwolf

And Megadrive V2 didnt help either, Anyway, all this comments are offtopic, please, go ahead with this amazing Mode 7 demo....

Played latest build on Mega Everdrive and man.... runs and looks SO great!

..totally agree dude..
03-14-2015, 10:07 PM
midnightrider

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Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989

Gamers have a poor opinion of the console because back in the day some of the biggest games to be released on the console possessed poor audio and voice samples. I can't really blame people for not being aware of the SEGA Genesis'/Mega Drive's audio capabilities. It's only after you being to explore the console's library that you discover how great the sould quality can sound on the SEGA Genesis.

You don't have to dig very far at all. All the pack-in games had great music.
03-14-2015, 10:14 PM
Vector

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Originally Posted by midnightrider

You don't have to dig very far at all. All the pack-in games had great music.

..exactly..! no digging is or was ever required, just getting snes youtubers out your ass..
03-14-2015, 10:46 PM
SEGA.GENESIS1989

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Originally Posted by midnightrider

You don't have to dig very far at all. All the pack-in games had great music.

I agree to some extent.

Anyways, I decided to look up the list of pack in games were bundled with the console:
Aladdin, Altered Beast, Mega Games I, Mega Games 2, Mega Games 6, Mega Games 6 Vol. 2, Mega 6 Vol. 3, NFL Football '94 Starring Joe Montana, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic Compilation, Sonic Spinball, Streets of Rage, Streets of Rage 2, The Lion King, Vectorman.

I still can't believe that there were that many pack in games. The ones in red are the only ones I was aware of until recently (5 to 7 years). BITD I was cluekess that SoR and SoR2 was once bundled with the console. And NFL Football '94 Starring Joe Montana too? What does the packaging even look like? It makes sense considering the popularity of the sport in North America but I don't remember ever seeing the bundle sold in stores here.
03-14-2015, 11:06 PM
Vector

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Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989

I agree to some extent.

Anyways, I decided to look up the list of pack in games were bundled with the console:
Aladdin, Altered Beast, Mega Games I, Mega Games 2, Mega Games 6, Mega Games 6 Vol. 2, Mega 6 Vol. 3, NFL Football '94 Starring Joe Montana, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic Compilation, Sonic Spinball, Streets of Rage, Streets of Rage 2, The Lion King, Vectorman.

I still can't believe that there were that many pack in games. The ones in red are the only ones I was aware of until recently (5 to 7 years). BITD I was cluekess that SoR and SoR2 was once bundled with the console. And NFL Football '94 Starring Joe Montana too? What does the packaging even look like? It makes sense considering the popularity of the sport in North America but I don't remember ever seeing the bundle sold in stores here.

..first 21 pictures answer your question my friend.. https://www.google.com/search?q=gene...+sports+bundle

..or just here hehe.. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...rtsEdition.jpg
03-14-2015, 11:20 PM
SEGA.GENESIS1989

Thanks! Now I remember seeing it in stores! Probably in my local K-mart! :p The green turf jogged my memory!
03-14-2015, 11:33 PM
Raijin

Speaking of sample quality, I'm pretty sure Dynamite Headdy has the highest quality voices of any Genesis game, or even any SNES game too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOrMesuUu5w
03-14-2015, 11:35 PM
Barone

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Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989

Anyways, I decided to look up the list of pack in games were bundled with the console:

There's more than that list says:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...-Kombat-3-Pack
03-15-2015, 12:13 AM
SEGA.GENESIS1989

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Originally Posted by Barone

There's more than that list says:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...-Kombat-3-Pack

Yep! After you mentioned the Mortal Kombat 3 bundle, I was reminded that SEGA released a Street Fighter 2 bundle (PAL territory exclusive?) as well. Check this link to see some of the other bundles that someone posted on another forum: http://www.retro1.no/forum/index.php...cents-samling/

Jurrasic Park, Virtua Racing, Power Rangers The Movie ...

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