I think the audio voices for virtua fighter 32 x and sound fx and music were by done by the genesis, as well as clouds and background? amazing if true..
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I think the audio voices for virtua fighter 32 x and sound fx and music were by done by the genesis, as well as clouds and background? amazing if true..
I think Virtua Fighter uses the 32X for the voices and sound effects, as the PCM channel is being used for Drums and "Get Down!" voice clips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
No one's saying though that the Genesis can't do good digital audio samples. They're saying that a lot of popular games do them poorly, which is true.
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Just tested it out in Gens+. The 32X is doing all voices, sound effects, and drums in Virtua Fighter. The Genesis is doing only FM synth and PSG. The PCM channel in the Genesis is doing nothing as far as I can tell.
..hmm..i will try google, or maybe somebody was mistaken if they said genesis did audio..i will look into it..or maybe you are correct..thanks..Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
..i know i posted many popular games that did have good audio..Quote:
No one's saying though that the Genesis can't do good digital audio samples.
..idk..werent the games i posted popular, is it really "most" that do them poorly? even the popular earthworm jim sounded great..Quote:
They're saying that a lot of popular games do them poorly, which is true.
Just tested it out in Gens+. The 32X is doing all voices, sound effects, and drums in Virtua Fighter. The Genesis is doing only FM synth and PSG. The PCM channel in the Genesis is doing nothing as far as I can tell.
..ok thanks..i thought i read someone here saying it does the voices and audio but i guess you proved that wrong, it does do the background graphics though yes?
"The Genesis is doing only FM synth and PSG"
..can you give me 1 example of both..? i am curious..
They're somewhat popular now, but a lot of them weren't that popular when the system was being sold, or they don't have that great of voice samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
Altered Beast - Clear but all other sounds have to stop to do it.
Sonic - One clean voice sample that takes up 1/8th of the cart.
Streets of Rage 1 and 2 - Kind of ok, but still pretty scratchy.
As for the others, they're really not that popular or mainstream, when we say popular we're talking about stuff like Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat 1-3, Konami ports, Golden Axe 1-3, Thunder Force 2-4, most of your movie and TV show games, most of EA's games, etc.
Some were, some weren't, some were still examples of bad voice samples. Earthworm Jim sounds decent, but again it's the exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
It is doing the backgrounds too, I meant just for audio it's doing only FM and PSG. And what do you mean by an example of both? All the songs use both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
..just saw this "The PCM channel in the Genesis is doing nothing as far as I can tell."..ok nevermind..was it virtua racing deluxe that used genesis for voices then? like me and others said though..the genesis 2 with a bad audio game helped the "genesis audio sucks" myth grow though..disagree treks?
.."What about the sound chip? Do 32x games use the Genesis sound chip?
They all do. PWM sound was one of the most underused features of the 32X. All 32X games use a modified Genesis sound driver that mostly uses the FM/PSG chips, and adds four simple pcm channels played on the PWM. It's the reason all my first 32X demos were all on better sound using the PWM. - chilly willy"..
..damn harsh lol.. http://www.oocities.org/fsound1330/
Wow, thats a lot of boxed systemsQuote:
Originally Posted by SEGA.GENESIS1989
Chilly is talking about using the 32X Sound chip for more advanced things like all music and sound. Most 32X games do use the 32X channels, but it's reserved for voices and sound effects as that's the area the Genesis Struggled with. Even Doom uses the 32X PWM channels for voices and sound effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
Virtua Racing Deluxe does use the Genesis for digital samples, but some sounds (Like the F1 Car sound at the Sega Screen) are done by the 32X.
As for the Model 2, I don't think that's really the cause for why people say the Genesis can't do good audio. As Chilly said in another thread, going through your typical TV speakers of the time, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Only those using headphones or having their systems going through decent sound systems would have noticed.
I think this did the most damage to the Genesis' reputation for voice samples. Regardless of if you have a Model 1 or Model 2, it sounds like shit:
Impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
..your video did not display on forum, but saw it via reply quote link url..yes but the new audio fix for sf2 is good so we can scratch that off the list now :pQuote:
As for the Model 2, I don't think that's really the cause for why people say the Genesis can't do good audio. As Chilly said in another thread, going through your typical TV speakers of the time, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Only those using headphones or having their systems going through decent sound systems would have noticed.
I think this did the most damage to the Genesis' reputation for voice samples. Regardless of if you have a Model 1 or Model 2, it sounds like shit:
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The damage has been done for 20 years. The new mod is great, but it doesn't undo all the damage, or fix all the other games with bad voice samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
...idk man, if people made their top 10 lists for genesis i doubt any bad sampled voices games would even be on a list, and if there were it would be a very small amount of great games..i could be wrong..
Top 10 != most popular games of the time. No one's going to put Street Fighter 2 or Mortal Kombat the top of their Genesis list these days, because better ports are available. That doesn't mean they weren't popular and didn't help spread the idea that the Genesis couldn't do good voice samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennab
..all i am saying..is i would put the new sf2 audio fix game on my top 10 list now and others, most of which actually do have great sound..it would sound great coming out the 1/8th of genesis into my stereo..luckily the games (i like the most) already have great audio..bloodlines, vectorman, sor, more..
Not that the subject isn't interesting, but you all are derailing the thread :P