Gangly Ol' Hedgehog.... Now What?

Miru's posts on this subject always come down to Sonic needing to change to appeal to him personally with a dizzying cast of characters and Archie Comic inspired nonsense (which for the last time isn't going to happen, ever). It would be like letting Deviant Art make a Sonic game.

And that's fine, that's what appeals to him.

But it's barking up the wrong tree making these complaints to us here at Sega-16 because absolutely none of us have the same vision for the series or find what he's saying appealing.

Sega has proven perfectly capable of making a good Sonic game in recent years without stuffing it with some incredibly cheesy "epic" plot and with an RPG-like cast. The problem is they haven't been able to get over this game design ADD they have and just make a follow up to one of those good games instead of starting from scratch each time.

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Originally Posted by Obviously

Miru's posts on this subject always come down to Sonic needing to change to appeal to him personally with a dizzying cast of characters and Archie Comic inspired nonsense (which for the last time isn't going to happen, ever). It would be like letting Deviant Art make a Sonic game.

And that's fine, that's what appeals to him.

But it's barking up the wrong tree making these complaints to us here at Sega-16 because absolutely none of us have the same vision for the series or find what he's saying appealing.

Sega has proven perfectly capable of making a good Sonic game in recent years without stuffing it with some incredibly cheesy "epic" plot and with an RPG-like cast. The problem is they haven't been able to get over this game design ADD they have and just make a follow up to one of those good games instead of starting from scratch each time.

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Alright, it is better to simply improve upon the UT in every asset. Bring back full-on rolling, decrease 2D sections, add Tails as playable, get rid of the cringe-worthy jokes, etc.

I don't even know where to start...

Stage design: Should always be a developers first thought, with story being something they add in at the end. 2D Sonic stages had 3 tiers you could choose between, or even sort of take the time to slowly explore. You had the high road, the middle road, and the low road, which allowed you to drop down without much fear of dying. I know that's much harder to depict in 3D, but the stage design became too linear when Sonic Adventure happened. Add some alternate paths, and even better yet, some that only specific characters can get to.

Voice acting: 10 rotating lines of dialogue for each situation, and that's it. Something like 10 different things he can say when clearing a stage, 10 different words he can say when he takes a hit, 10 things he can say when he hits top speed, etc. His personality can show through that way, in his idle animations, and if need be, cut scenes, but without voice acting. Take a nod from S3&K, and make the story itself happen by gameplay, or cut scenes that happen within the gameplay engine, and keep them brief.

Other characters: Always 100% optional.

Music: Always instrumental.

Physics: Add to stage design.

Overall, just take a good look at what made the 2D games work, and convert that to 3D.

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Originally Posted by miru

I'm also into DooM, Pokemon, King of Fighters, Mugen, Mega Man, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Street Fighter, and Etrian Oddysey.

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Have you played the non-sonic sonic team games? Check out Burning Rangers or Chu Chu Rocket. Those are fun games.

no more theme songs, they just don't belong in a sonic game. also the cheesy voice acting needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Hidden_Darkness

no more theme songs, they just don't belong in a sonic game. also the cheesy voice acting needs to go.

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I could definitely do without the butt-rock music. It was funny at first... but no more.

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Originally Posted by Hidden_Darkness

also the cheesy voice acting needs to go.

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I don't have a strong opinion on the quality of voice acting in games, if only they would just keep it to cutscenes. It really sucks me out of the game when the characters won't shut the fuck up. If I want banal chatter, I'll watch an episode of The View.

I always thought that the guilt of lack of direction the series is taking since Heroes is from Takashi Iizuka.
While Sega itself can be forcing him to put very questionable playability choices (ex: "See how God of War is selling well Iizua? We need to put this gameplay on a Sonic game to bring more players. Also, make he look more aggressive, like Kratos."), there's no excuse to ignore players request to fix the physics of Sonic 4, two times, to make bad stage layouts, along with other game design problems.
Also, the guy talked in an interview that he sees nothing wrong with the 2006 game and only regrets failing to implement some promised things, like the climate change.

They also failed to implement the most important part of Sonic 06. A finished game.