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Because the Rush trilogy are the best arcade racing games of the N64. Not only the tracks are well designed but also the CPU have a good AI, and never fell into the mistake of trying to be "realistic" only to become outdated in a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
Beetle Adventure Racing is the only thing that approaches them in the console's library, but still does not have the over the top shortcuts and physics.
You're focusing way too much on SF Rush's low-rez textures, and not enough on its massive tracks, its significant depth, high challenge level, great controls and handling once you learn how the game plays... for 1997, it's a fantastic game! For racing games on the N64, '97 had Top Gear Rally, Diddy Kong Racing, SF Rush, and Extreme-G 1 for the better games. SF Rush was an ambitious effort, and I've read before about how they worked hard to squeeze everything possible into that little 8MB cartridge; space limits are why the (hidden) SF Rush version of Alcatraz is missing the giant loop, for instance. But apart from a couple of things in the Alcatraz track, they fit in everything else. The game has some of the best gameplay of any racing game on the platform, lots to do, lots to learn if you want to be able to win races, and more. The game has only okay graphics, sure, but just about everything else about it is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
Yeah, Rush 2049 looks and plays a lot better, but that game also released three years after the first one, they got better at programming for the system in between. But while 2049 looks better, the core gameplay is very similar to the previous two games; they made most tracks shorter while having just as many or more shortcuts, which makes the game a bit more exciting, and cut back on the turns where if you don't make a sharp turn at the right moment you run straight into a wall, but it's still Rush. The handling system (presuming that you play 2049 in Extreme handling mode, as I always do) is the same, the car design styles are familiar, etc. Rush 2049 is SF Rush, but better... but the original game is also pretty incredible. (As for Rush 2, it went in the wrong direction in track designs -- tracks have fewer jumps and maybe even LONGER lengths than SF Rush, making it a bit less fun to play for me even if the game is a bit easier, they did ease up on SF Rush's extremely unforgiving AI).
Of course, as I said earlier the arcade version of the game (SF Rush the Rock: Alcatraz Edition) is probably my favorite arcade racing game ever so I am definitely biased, but SF Rush for the N64 is a great, great game, and its good scores show that as well; I'd give it a bit higher than the low-80s average it has, but that's a very respectable score, and it deserves all of that and more.
One thing I can't really defend about Rush 1 and Rush 2 is the music. I don't find either games' soundtracks all that interesting, while 2049 has one of my favorite game soundtracks ever...
Extreme G-1 sucks. The fog is right in front of your vehicle on most of the tracks. The only thing Extreme about that game is the fog. It should have been called Extreme F instead.
The Same place Wikipedia got their numbers from. VG chartz. I can't find it right now but there is a press release from 1996 that I believe states that Sega sold close to a million Saturn's thanks to the 3 free games promotion and they would keep it going into 1997 because of how successful it was. But even if we're on the low end of the spectrum at 500k, that plus Japan's 550k sales and whatever the hell it sold in Europe we're easily past those N64 racers.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
I did mention them. I mentioned they all sold more than Sega Rally but they're not really comparable because they're radically different games. Maybe you should go read my post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
That lines up with what I found on vgchartz. And Daytona USA would be on that list too if we had solid numbers for the rest of the world outside of Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
And again those top selling N64 games are Kart racers, wave race, and a Star Wars game released right when Episode 1 came out. How well did the N64 racers that are actually comparable to the likes of Sega Rally, Daytona USA, Gran Turismo, etc. sell?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Apples to Oranges. You're comparing a kiddy party racer to a technical arcade racer. It's like comparing the sales of Angry Birds to Bayonetta. As for Gran Turismo it's 10% is about on par with Sega Rally (~12%).Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
The point is you're being ridiculous by labeling everyone who disagrees with you as an N64 hater. News flash, I actually like the N64 and enjoy it. I just don't look at it through rose colored glasses like you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Here's a hint of advice, if you're gonna move the goal posts it would be best not to do it within a few pages of each other. I wasn't talking about MK64, WaveRace64, F-Zero X, Star Wars Racer, etc. I was talking about the ones you were parading out at the time like Beetle Adventure Racing, World Driver Championship, Top Gear Rally, etc. Which guess what, none of those came close to selling what Sega Rally and Daytona USA sold on the Saturn.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
So you really think MK64 and Sega Rally are in the same category of racers? Sega Rally is an arcade rally racer that focuses on time trials and mastering corners. Mario Kart 64 is a party racer that focuses on making you laugh. Same with Diddy Kong Racing. Wave Race is a jetski game, F-Zero X is a futuristic hover vehicle racer, Star Wars Pod Racer is a Pod racing game. What do any of those have in common with Sega Rally. It's like comparing Ocarina of Time to Final Fantasy and saying they're the same kind of game. No one in their right mind would say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
The only games that actually fit in Sega Rally's category aren't A-Tier games. Sorry but that's the sad truth.
Daytona USA's low reviews has to do with it being rushed. But the game still plays well and is seen in a positive light these days. Same with CE. Touring Cars bad reviews come from the frame rate and the fact that most people who play it have no clue how to actually play it. Touring Car needs to be played with an Analog controller. It's a game where pedal control is just as important as steering, and the analog triggers on the 3D Control pad help significantly with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Professional game reviews were shit then and they're still shit now.
And how many times have great games been given shit review scores for petty reasons or shit games been given amazing review scores for unethical reasons? Sales can at least give us a general idea of public perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Which makes Sega Rally and Daytona USA outselling those N64 games on the Saturn all the more hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Or it could be that it's just a mediocre racer. It didn't sell that well on the Dreamcast or PC either if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Weren't you the one telling use earlier that it was unfair to compare 2nd and 3rd Generation Saturn and PS1 games to 1st Generation N64 games?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Hmm, which would I pick? 2 Player racing at full resolution, draw distance, frame rate, etc. or 4 player split screen at gimped resolution, frame rate, textures, and draw distance. Decisions decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Could you be more full of shit? I just booted up Sega Rally and compared the draw distance between one player and 2 player. I can't really tell a difference. It's pretty much on par. If anything it looks like Sega slightly reduced the trackside detail and resolution to keep the frame rate up. If you can put up with Daytona's short draw distance, you have no reason to complain about Sega Rally in 2 player mode. If I have to I'll gladly hook up my capture card for comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Trekkies this is why I'm becoming a fan of youQuote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
This thread went down the drain.
Oh well since we are at it, my favorite racing games for Saturn and N64 are the following.
Saturn:
1) Daytona CE
2) Sega Rally
3) Wipeout XL
4) Virtua Racing
5) Need for Speed
N64:
1) Wave Race 64
2) F-Zero X
3) World Driver Championship
4) Beetle Adventure Racing!
5) Star Wars Episode 1: Racer
6) Top Gear Rally
7) Ridge Racer 64
8) Wipeout 64
9) Diddy Kong Racing
10) San Francisco Rush
I've said this before, but Wikipedia, and anyone hoping for accuracy, wouldn't use VGChartz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ng_video_games There is exactly one VGChartz link here, and it's for something which there is other evidence for the sales for. The problem is, VGChartz is known to pretty much just make up numbers. This is why any mention of numbers from that site was banned from NeoGAF years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
It well might, but I'd think that if the game had sold a million Sega would have said so at some point. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Daytona USA was over a million in sales, the game does seem to be super, super common, but if it did, why didn't Sega say so?Quote:
That lines up with what I found on vgchartz. And Daytona USA would be on that list too if we had solid numbers for the rest of the world outside of Japan.
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And again those top selling N64 games are Kart racers, wave race, and a Star Wars game released right when Episode 1 came out. How well did the N64 racers that are actually comparable to the likes of Sega Rally, Daytona USA, Gran Turismo, etc. sell?
Racing games are comparable to other racing games. Mario Kart is not in a different genre from Sega Rally, the two games are both racing games. So how well did N64 racing games comparable to Sega Rally sell? Almost 10 million.Quote:
Apples to Oranges. You're comparing a kiddy party racer to a technical arcade racer. It's like comparing the sales of Angry Birds to Bayonetta.
You have a clear bias against any racing games that don'ty involve normal cars racing around tracks, and that's complete nonsense. My bias is generally pretty much the opposite of that (normal cars running around tracks is, all other things being equal, about the least interesting thing in the genre, for me, I like futuristic or fantastic settings better), but I'm not going to ignore games that don't fit my preferences just in order to twist a list towards the kinds of games I like.
What you're doing here is the equivalent of if I said "I find sim racers boring, so Gran Turismo doesn't count as a racing game. Mario Kart 64 is the best-selling racing game of the generation!" That is obvious nonsense, and so is what you say here.
Actually Sega Rally would be a bit over 12%, remember that the Saturn only sold about 9.1-something million systems.Quote:
As for Gran Turismo it's 10% is about on par with Sega Rally (~12%).
I don't either, I've got lots of complaints about N64 graphics. The people who hate it here just seem to like to ignore or "forget" about almost everything negative I say about the N64, just to continue your fictional narrative that I say only good about the system.Quote:
The point is you're being ridiculous by labeling everyone who disagrees with you as an N64 hater. News flash, I actually like the N64 and enjoy it. I just don't look at it through rose colored glasses like you do.
Racing games are racing games. The idea that racing games only "count" if they are about cars driving around tracks is absurdly stupid, I cannot possibly disagree any more with such a ridiculous concept.Quote:
Here's a hint of advice, if you're gonna move the goal posts it would be best not to do it within a few pages of each other. I wasn't talking about MK64, WaveRace64, F-Zero X, Star Wars Racer, etc. I was talking about the ones you were parading out at the time like Beetle Adventure Racing, World Driver Championship, Top Gear Rally, etc. Which guess what, none of those came close to selling what Sega Rally and Daytona USA sold on the Saturn.
I already said above that, yes, racing games are racing games, and ignoring games just because they aren't about normal cars is absurd. But there is some more to say about the games you mention here in specific.Quote:
So you really think MK64 and Sega Rally are in the same category of racers? Sega Rally is an arcade rally racer that focuses on time trials and mastering corners. Mario Kart 64 is a party racer that focuses on making you laugh. Same with Diddy Kong Racing. Wave Race is a jetski game, F-Zero X is a futuristic hover vehicle racer, Star Wars Pod Racer is a Pod racing game. What do any of those have in common with Sega Rally. It's like comparing Ocarina of Time to Final Fantasy and saying they're the same kind of game. No one in their right mind would say that.
Wave Race 64, F-Zero X, Diddy Kong Racing, and Star Wars Episode I Racer are all tough games that require a great deal of skill to beat. Ep. I Racer particularly, have you played that game? It's REALLY difficult, and requires precision and a great deal of memorization to win at. By the later parts of the game the tracks are very long, and the game punishes you HARD for any mistakes. I never managed to beat the game, it's just too tough. The game has great graphics, good gameplay, good controls, and lots of challenge. Wave Race isn't as hard as that and is a much shorter game, but it still requires a lot of practice, memorization, and skill to beat, just like a Sega Rally. And F-Zero X, of course you need to memorize everything to beat that game, as I did back in 2000 (finished every circuit in 1st!).
Oh, and Diddy Kong Racing... you haven't played much of that game in single player, obviously, or you'd never claim that it "just exists to make your laugh". Sure, Mario Kart 64 is a fun, easy game, but DKR is the polar opposite of that within that genre. DKR qets quite difficult near the end! Wizpig in particular requires absolute perfection to even be competititve with, in either of the two races you need to race against him in. Seriously, the Wizpig races are the hardest thing I've ever tried to do in a kart racing game. It's a Rare game, and at that point Rare liked to make their games challenging.
Sure, they are, somewhat, but not in as good of a light as most of those N64 games you keep making fun of.Quote:
Daytona USA's low reviews has to do with it being rushed. But the game still plays well and is seen in a positive light these days. Same with CE.
And this one is that unpopular game you happen to like. I don't think people (other than you) say any more good about this game now as they ever did.Quote:
Touring Cars bad reviews come from the frame rate and the fact that most people who play it have no clue how to actually play it. Touring Car needs to be played with an Analog controller. It's a game where pedal control is just as important as steering, and the analog triggers on the 3D Control pad help significantly with that.
Sometimes true, sometimes not, but what else is there, for a lot of games? At least professional reviews should give some sense of the game's quality.Quote:
Professional game reviews were shit then and they're still shit now.
Sales are as much about good marketing as they are about good gameplay, though. The highest-scoring games are rarely the best-selling games.Quote:
And how many times have great games been given shit review scores for petty reasons or shit games been given amazing review scores for unethical reasons? Sales can at least give us a general idea of public perception.
What? But the top-selling N64 racing games far outsold both of those games. Both systems have other racing games that sold less, but the N64's start from a much higher point.Quote:
Which makes Sega Rally and Daytona USA outselling those N64 games on the Saturn all the more hilarious.
In sales, compare top games to top games, middle-selling games to middle-selling games, etc. You're being incredibly deceptive by comparing top-selling Saturn games to mid-selling N64 games.
Trolling one of the best games ever is incredibly stupid, but I imagine you know that. And I also imagine that if it was a Saturn game, you'd be praising it highly instead of trolling it.Quote:
Or it could be that it's just a mediocre racer. It didn't sell that well on the Dreamcast or PC either if I remember correctly.
I'd rather compare games on same-generation consoles to games from a similar point in their systems' lives. So first-gen N64 games to first-gen PS1 or Saturn games, etc.Quote:
Weren't you the one telling use earlier that it was unfair to compare 2nd and 3rd Generation Saturn and PS1 games to 1st Generation N64 games?
The physics and the handling system were simplified too. "Best of its gen".Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I'd go with:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Daytona USA CE
Manx TT Superbike
Outrun
Power Drift
Road Rash
Road & Track Presents: The Need for Speed
Sega Rally Championship Plus
Sonic R
Street Racer
Taito Chase HQ + S.C.I.
Touge: King the Spirits
Touge: King the Spirits 2
Wangan Dead Heat + Real Arrange
Wipeout
Wipeout XL
Sega Touring's frame rate is too inconsistent to me and it looks choppy for the most part IMO. It doesn't play badly but these issues are off putting IMO.
Time Warner's VR is atrocious IMO. Lots of issues with that game: retard AI, poor handling system, poor physics, bad collision detection, etc. I can see that it's pleasant to play a richer polygonized version of 32X's V.R. but the gameplay isn't there.
The original Daytona USA port is pretty bad IMO too. Yeah, the controls work and the music is great but the speed sensation isn't there and there are several graphical issues, like the road getting noticeably distorted near the bottom of the screen, the polygons break up quite often, the draw distance is bad and the frame rate hits something like 15 fps in the more crowded moments.
The Chase H.Q. pack isn't a 1:1 conversion of the arcade game but I had great fun with it.
Wangan Dead Heat is far from being great but it gives you some really good speed sensation (the frame rate is solid 30 fps) and good arcade gameplay. The controls aren't easy to grasp (like Ridge Racer's) and the landscapes aren't all that cool but it's a solid effort IMO and you can really enjoy it with the more powerful cars. The afternoon version of the tracks look a bit better IMO, with proper color changes inside the tunnels (unlike Need for Speed on the Saturn).
This gameplay video shows some good gameplay but not the afternoon/night tracks:
WTF?! You're so delusional, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
It's *clearly* related to it, but, of course, I write the statements in a way that they can congregate a wider range of lunatic claims, not only yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Lmao. This statement is sig worthy, too bad I don't have any free slots at this moment. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Lol. The 64 version doesn't have a proper championship mode and it sucks to not have one, it's clearly half-assed in such aspect. I'm amazed with your ability to twist the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
There's also a major issue with the weapons system. ;)
Ignorance is a bliss, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
The cars look more solid in Daytona CCE/CE than in Sega Rally IMO, that might have a cost. The traffic is quite dense, the opposite of Sega Rally; that makes a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
I find CCE/CE (the latter a bit more) rather impressive in terms of preserving the graphics solidness in the bottom/sides of the screen. You can use the bumper cam and you'll see very little errors. The color use is also quite better than on Sega Rally IMO.
Both the cars and tracks textures doesn't look pixelated for the most part, that's also a plus IMO.
I don't mind the draw distance that much, I think what it really misses is a smooth draw-in effect. Something that would avoid the turn on/off of some big portions of the track and which could made the end of the view less abrupt.
Another aspect that is great on it is the sound. The engine sound is great and it varies depending on the camera view, the sfx are close to the arcade ones, the announcer sounds great, etc.
With no other cars on screen, yes, GT2 scrolls noticeably faster. But with traffic I don't see that much of a difference, since GT2's frame rate seems to suffer a bit more than WDC's (especially in the more crowded tracks).Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
See this video, notice how it feels faster once the player is in the lead:
But the not so impressive scrolling speed in WDC is probably due to the N64's fillrate limit.
WDC is phenomenal in the graphics department but its few instances of slowdown usually occur when you have skid smoke for more than one car, so it's probably the fillrate limit keeping it from being even more awesome.
The fillrate limit/small texture cache/texture replacement stalls trio is probably what explains several things about some other N64 games.
N64's Hydro Thunder scrolling slower than the PS1, DC, PC and Arcade versions is also a sign of that. The water texture being converted into solid color during high jumps is another indication that the fillrate was a problem for that game.
Also, have a look:
N64
http://i.imgur.com/gVfqepE.png
PS1
http://i.imgur.com/FbUvzJ0.png
Breaking down GT2 vs WDC:
- GT2 has smoother edges on the car shadow, using a bit of transparency in its contour. WDC's car shadow is hard-edged like GT1 was but it has some dynamic shadow casting going on.
- GT2's skid smoke uses additive blending, something the N64 can't do but WDC's is probably the best on the system.
- WDC's multitexture effect on the car painting is superior to GT2. In WDC it has a bit of movement related to the angle your car is in relation to the track.
- WDC's has very good skid mark effect (weight/pressure-dependent for each wheel), on par with the best of that gen. GT2 has NO skid mark effect.
- WDC has noticeably longer draw distance.
- WDC's trackside buildings and objects are far better polygon-wise and more solid too. Night tracks have some hideous spotlights in GT2.
- WDC has a taste of weather effects, no full-fledged snow effect, for an example, but some fog effects here and there. GT2 has NO weather effects.
- Ambient lighting is better in WDC, with far more shadows for the trackside objects and lens flare.
- WDC has 8 cars on the track against 6 in GT2.
- AI is arguably better on GT2, seems to be a bit more aggressive and better on overtaking overall.
- GT2 has a more complex traction/acceleration model; noticeable during angled cornering.
- GT2 has lots of car setup options and stuff like a turbo pressure meter in its HUD being affected by the level of the components you have in the car, how much acceleration you're using in that moment and the torque curve of the car's engine.
- GT2 has better audio, with the engine noise being fairly realistic to each car model.
Some details that other 5th gen console games have over WDC/GT2:
- Top Gear Overdrive has GT2-like car shadows, transparent car windows, superb speed sensation, particle effects for collision, wider tracks, night races with proper headlamp effect, spotlight effects; superior lighting, weather and painting reflection effects.
- Ridge Racer 64 has transparent car shadows (something that Ridge Racer Type-4 lacks), top-tier skid marks effect (on par with WDC's), more cars on the track, superb speed sensation, blurring effects and superior in-tunnel lighting effects.
- NFSIII has transparent car shadows, simple effect for collision, weather effects, wider tracks, top-tier skid marks effect (on par with WDC's), additive blending effects in some track segments as in the "Aquatica" track; superior skid smoke (especially when compared to GT2's), painting reflection and in-tunnel effects.
- NFSVI has transparent car shadows and windows, visual damage on cars, simple effect for collision, weather effects, top-tier skid marks effect (on par with WDC's), wider tracks, night races with proper headlamp effect, superior lens flare, skid smoke (especially when compared to GT2's) and in-tunnel effects.
About Beetle Adventure Racing, it uses a tweak NFSII engine AFAIK; it has some really wider-than-normal tracks. It was released at the same month that NFSIV was released on the PS1.
Max Power Racing was released some months before.
Max Power Racing
Need for Speed: High Stakes
Beetle Adventure Racing
About speed sensation, I think Top Gear Rally is pretty good in such aspect:
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulis
And I had forgotten to mention that there's a JP-only PS1 game which seems to reuse the GT1's engine:
Option Tuning Car Battle Spec-R
I have a mate who's a bit of a Nintendo fanboy and he did the same thing ABF does where he constantly tries to convince everyone that the N64 is in fact superior to the PS1 in various ways whilst PS1 owners just seem to enjoy their games. Is this a Nintendo fan thing?
I wish I could play the PAL version of WipeOut 2097 on the Saturn. That's one of those games I always wanted to get, but everything says that game simply will not run on a US Saturn, and no Action Reply-like cart can change that.
I lucked out with the Euro-only WipeOut Pulse on the PS2, as that game has a 50/60 Hz option before the game starts (yay for Swap Magic).
For newer stuff yes. For older stuff they seem to match up with what other sources say. The numbers you listed on from Wikipedia earlier vgchartz is spot on with. So I'd say they're ok to use for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
They probably did but the source has probably been lost like many other things over the years. This isn't too hard to figure out though. Japan's numbers have been known for years and are posted on Sega's site. They put it at 550k if I remember correctly. We know the 3 free games deal sold a lot as well. Going on the low end of the spectrum that's another 500k. So we're at 1 million right there and that's not including Europe or non bundle sales in the US. It's pretty clear it sold 1 million copies.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
I'm going to give you one chance to seriously consider if you want to go down this road. Think carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
On the contrary I don't. I love Mario Kart and which should be obvious from the enthusiasm I've shown here for it's Wii U incarnation. I'm just saying that Sega Rally and Mario Kart 64 aren't really comparable. If I want to play a Rally Racer, I'm not going to turn to my N64. At the same time if I want to play a good kart racer I'm not going to turn to my Saturn.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
I'm not saying Mario Kart 64 doesn't count as a racing game, I'm saying it's a different kind of racing game.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
I did the math at 9.5 Million, which seems to be the commonly accepted number.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Maybe if you didn't fanboy out and say ridiculous shit all the time we would notice your more level headed posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Again, do you really want to open this door? The argument wasn't that those kart racers weren't racing games. The argument was that they're a different kind of racing game that don't compare well to other kinds of racers. I wouldn't compare Sega Rally to Mario Kart 64 just as I wouldn't compare Daytona USA to Gran Turismo. They're different kinds of racers altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
No one was doing this. You just have poor reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
That's fine and dandy. They're still different kinds of racers.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Daytona USA still get's mentioned to this day as an amazing racer. The most common comment I've seen is "Yeah the Saturn port wasn't pretty, but it still played great." Meanwhile Beetle Adventure Racing, Top Gear Rally, World Driver Championship, etc. I only ever see mentioned in N64 threads concerning you.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Funny thing, we actually had a few threads on this over at SSUK where quite a few people agreed that with the right controller the game actually becomes pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
There's public perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
GTA V says hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
Once again apple's to oranges. Let's compare similar kinds of racers to similar kinds of racers. MK64, DKR, SWR, etc. all sold well because they're either party racers or licensed off a very popular IP. I wasn't comparing Sega Rally's sales to those. I flat out admitted in the original post that those outsold Sega Rally. What more do you want?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
What I was pointing out though is that all those other racers you try to claim are better than Sega Rally (BAR, WDC, TGR, etc.) didn't even get close to Sega Rally in sales or popularity. Which considering how much better the N64 sold than the Saturn is absolutely hilarious. It's even more hilarious when you parade those games out as proof of N64 Superiority in racers.
Did you really just mention any Rush game and "Best Game Ever" in the same sentence?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
But you see, I don't hate the Rush series. I actually do enjoy them and would put them higher up in my N64 racer list. I just don't think they're in the same Tier as say Sega Rally or Daytona USA.
Yet you just tried to compare a 1995 Saturn game to a 2000 N64 game.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Black Falcon
You could always get the Japanese version. It's called WipeOut XL:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Huh. I didn't know it was released in Japan. It's also about $100 on ebay, so it looks like the PS1 version I own will have to do until I win the lottery or something :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Yeah, it's nice but WDC is also more or less as fast although WDC is more realistic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP-diIOydkY
Who said that I bought that game along with several other Pal games and they all worked on both of NTCS Saturn's with the 5 in 1 cart. Hell that is the only reason I really still use it is to play pal games.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Coop
Yep, these last two videos kick some serious asses:Quote:
Originally Posted by Folco
More realistic games are usually slow starters (the first cars you drive will feel pretty slow).