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10-11-2007, 10:46 AM
Melf

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

Well, Melf, I´m not exaggerating. You are defending yourself, like always not wanting to accept that you may have made a mistake.

You make it sound like this is something I do often, which is untrue. Care to cite some examples?

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You just hopped on the "SFT is so awesome, great that they do it, go buy it!"-train although you must have known that re-releasing a game with such changes may frustrate earlier customers. No concern if this is a right decision, just hooray. That is fanboyish.

There is no "SFT train" because I was the first person to report this news. The article was not meant to spur earlier customers to go buy a second copy. It was meant to create interest in new customers to buy this version if they hadn't already bought one because of the compatibility problem. Does that sound like I'm "in SFT's pocket" If it does, you need to open your eyes.

If this run is successful, SFT will create more games, which is good for Genesis gamers. This might spur other people to make their own games - like you're doing, which is good for Genesis gamers. Who knows? We might one day have a Genesis homebrew community the size of the Atari one. How is that a bad thing? How are people going to become interested if they don't even know about these release? What other site is in such a prime position we are to inform them? As a dedicated Genesis site, it's our responsibility to encourage interest in new Genesis products. The feedback about this new version of BP has been mostly positive, and I'm not going to focus on the few people who aren't satisfied with what they bought. I'm going to direct my article at those who have yet to get involved and might still be interested.

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It is silly to say that a preview when all facts known (there is no gameplay you have to test yourself) can not be critical about the subject.
I can say that probably many people will not like the PS3 lacking backwards compatibility in the future even if I don´t own one. No need for me to citate Sony´s praise for the re-designed system.

Apples and oranges. Why would I praise Sony for making the hard drive smaller and removing backward compatibility? The new model of PS3 is a step backward, not an improvement. This new version of Beggar Prince is better than the original, which is your entire gripe, no?

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You knew what the changes were about, and you could have commented it critically. You did not, you made a disgustingly biased disguised advertisement.

You seem to forget that I bought the same version of Beggar Prince you did. I simply don't share your opinion on the matter. I'm not going to take a survey every time I want to write an article on something to ensure I communicate everyone's feelings, because that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm sure if I had written the article complaining about how SFT cheated me by taking my money for an inferior version, only to release a superior one, you'd be applauding the article. Should I remember to be less positive and more critical when I preview your game?

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This was not a preview like it´s been time since the dawn of time. Even in a preview you can talk about questionable announcements and decisions.

You're under the misconception that this article is focused exclusively at those who already bought the game. I specifically directed it several times towards those who haven't bought a copy:

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Well, we've got a scoop for you, one that's bound to please anyone who missed out on the first two runs of this hit game.

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The new look also adorns the full color instruction manual and cartridge label, so those who were apprehensive about buying a copy due to something as trivial as box art no longer have an excuse!

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There's no reason for not owning a copy, as all the major issues with previous versions have been corrected.

Though I do mention earlier customers in virtually half the article!

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Never one to simply ignore his customers, Cobb had his group go back and take the time and expense to fix what most people complained about - console compatibility.

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Finally, you can run the game without problems, no matter what set up you have.

And I explain the compatibility problem at length. Is this directed towards people who already own the game? No, because you already know all this. It's meant for people who want a copy and are considering buying the first run. Wouldn't you want those people to be informed so that they don't buy the "inferior" version? Isn't that your whole fight with this?

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Do you think I am argueing for fun? Do you think Joe said you kiss Brandon´s ass if there was no reason?
This is a bad example of how journalism is not supposed to be and puts you and Sega-16 to into a bad light.

No, what's a bad example is how a few people who feel cheated by SFT have decided to take out their frustration on my article. Both my integrity and writing ability have been questioned here, and they have nothing to do with this new release. Not everyone feels as you do about this situation, and however you feel doesn't give you the right to attack others. I'm sorry if you feel you got ripped off, but that's not my problem. Should I not have then have previewed, reviewed, and analyzed the first game, since this new version is out?

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This is by far the worst article on this entire website. You´re unability to recognize a mistake is even worse. Talking to you is like asking an official Nintendo magazine to be critical about the latest Super Mario-game.

I'm sorry you feel that way. but I honestly think you're letting your anger about the game itself seep onto the article. If you actually knew how gaming media worked, you wouldn't be projecting your frustration onto me, because you'd know that Nintendo Power is actually run and funded by Nintendo. Sega-16 is independant and has no obligation to anyone. I resent the implication you're making, and I think you should perhaps do a little more reading before you shoot off comments that are totally unsubstantiated.
10-11-2007, 11:29 AM
Genesis Knight

Whoa. That auction is gone already.
10-11-2007, 11:33 AM
108 Stars

Melf, the fact that I think the re-release is wrong has nothing to do with the quality of your article.
And the PS3-thing is a good example: It is not only negative like you think. It is also 200,-€ price reduction, definately a positive thing.
Even if I agreed with what you said, it still reads heavily biased. This wouldn´t bother me much in that case of course. The point is YOU WRITE JUST IN THE SAME STYLE AS NINTENDO POWER, and this was one of the most uncritical articles I have ever read on an independant website.
It should be your duty as non-biased author to show both sides of the medal, and you just did not to that and to show the pros and cons of what you write about.

No, I would not applaude if you had written a too negative article. I want to read fair and unbiased articles, pointing out both good and bad. And that you seem to be unable to do. For you it is either black or white. And this article is full of shining white.

I am beginning to hope that not you will do articles on TRPG; I must say I do not trust you to do a fair review anymore, after just suggesting to be "more negative" with TRPG´s preview. As bad as you seem to handle critical response I must fear that you may now be biased against the game because I take part, being a person who dares to critizize your journalistic abilities. I´d rather have Joe, Vinny T or Zebbe do it.
I am shocked that you play blind to that fact and accuse me of critizizing you totally unsubstantiated. You have to live with critics and try to reflect; that you refuse to do.
You did no preview, you did promotion here. You could have made it easier by just putting an ad-banner on the site.

End of the line: I´ll leave stuff here to Fonzie for a while and retreat from this thread for now. You are unwilling to take critic and improve, I am unable to accept your way. This is your website, so maybe I better stay low for a while, I won´t bother talking to you and avoid reading your articles from now on. Saves me the frustration and we both are happy.

EDIT: I wish I could write a post only once using the correct words without having to edit it afterwards!
10-11-2007, 11:50 AM
Melf

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

Even if I agreed with what you said, it still reads heavily biased. This wouldn´t bother me much in that case of course. The point is YOU WRITE JUST IN THE SAME STYLE AS NINTENDO POWER, and this was one of the most uncritical articles I have ever read on an independant website.
It should be your duty as non-biased author to show both sides of the medal, and you just did not to that and to show the pros and cons of what you write about.

The only "negative" that could even be mentioned here is the fact that some who bought the first version might not want to buy this one. Considering that the article isn't directed towards those people, why would I make it the entire forus of the piece? Many don't consider this situation to be negative at all, and those people who do might not even be a majority of the ones who bought the first two runs of the game in the first place.

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No, I would not applaude if you had written a too negative article. I want to read fair and unbiased articles, pointing out both good and bad. And that you seem to be unable to do. For you it is either black or white. And this article is full of shining white.

Again, not true? Do you actually read what I write? I'm still waiting for those examples I asked you for.

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I am beginning to hope that not you will do articles on TRPG; I must say I do not trust you to do a fair review anymore, after just suggesting to be "more negative" with TRPG´s preview. As bad as you seem to handle critical response I must fear that you may now be biased against the game because I take part, being a person who dares to critizize your journalistic abilities. I´d rather have Joe, Vinny T or Zebbe do it.
I am shocked that you play blind to that fact and accuse me of critizizing you totally unsubstantiated. You have to live with critics and try to reflect; that you refuse to do.

What? I asked you if I should be more critical and less positive, which is exactly what you're suggesting I do with this article. Are you saying then that it's ok to be critical of other people's work but not yours? I have no bias against you, because I don't lump one thing together with the other. Your game has nothing to do with your posts here. Thank you for having so little confidence in my abilities.

As for my supposed inability to accept criticism, I'm sorry, but I have to say that you have no idea of what you're talking about. You've gone and dismissed everything I've done simply because I don't think like you do. Guess what? Not everyone thinks like you do. Please, go and look at any of the threads in the Latest Feature forum that deal with articles I've written, and you'll see that I'm not only open to criticism, I welcome it. That's what this forum is for. Hell, go and check out any of the examples from the original version of the forum from two years ago, like this article, and you'll see that I welcome opinions and constructive criticism.

The comments made here about my article have not been constructive criticism or simple observations. Calling me an "ass kisser," "fanboy," and "disgustingly biased" does not include constructive connotation. They're insults, plain and simple.

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You did no preview, you did promotion here. You could have made it easier by just putting an ad-banner on the site.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

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End of the line: I´ll leave stuff here to Fonzie for a while and retreat from this forum for now. You are unwilling to take critic and improve, I am unable to accept your way. This is your website, so maybe I better leave for a while.

Look, you made some very strong comments, and I have every right to respond to them and defend myself. If that causes you to decide to leave, then I think it has more to do with your inability to back up your accusations than anything else. Just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't automatically make me biased and closed-minded. I think you just need to be more accepting different opinions, or you'll encounter the same problem on every forum you go. I never encourage people to leave, but if you feel you have to, then good luck to you.
10-11-2007, 05:02 PM
108 Stars

Aarrghhh, why can´t I just shut up when someone adresses me!? So here I go again...

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Originally Posted by Melf

The only "negative" that could even be mentioned here is the fact that some who bought the first version might not want to buy this one. Considering that the article isn't directed towards those people, why would I make it the entire forus of the piece? Many don't consider this situation to be negative at all, and those people who do might not even be a majority of the ones who bought the first two runs of the game in the first place.

Again, you can´t direct an article only towards one kind of people. Do you expect people to close their eyes and ignore it because they already own the game? No. Taking possible negative feelings, if they are predictable as here, in account is part of writing a good article.
You call it dedication from SFT, but you never even say a word on that people who spent money on the game before might be pissed for having the inferior version now. And hey, you only have to spend 40,-$ on it! Hooray!!! That makes only a total of 80 when you have bought the beta that was supposed to be the final version a year ago and still want to have the final version! Not a word!

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Originally Posted by Melf

Again, not true? Do you actually read what I write? I'm still waiting for those examples I asked you for.

Maybe I WAS exaggerating there. But from the top of my head what comes to mind is the old rating discussion, where it was hard and took numerous complaints over weeks for you to accept that a reader score would be good. You are a stubborn man (so am I), but at least I usually come to my senses after sleeping over it a night or so). Even after the feedback you got on that article you refuse to see that it could have been done better to take all concerns in account.

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Originally Posted by Melf

What? I asked you if I should be more critical and less positive, which is exactly what you're suggesting I do with this article. Are you saying then that it's ok to be critical of other people's work but not yours? I have no bias against you, because I don't lump one thing together with the other. Your game has nothing to do with your posts here. Thank you for having so little confidence in my abilities.

That is exactly NOT what I want. You made it sound like you wanted to threaten me with negativity. You cannot decide about being positive ore negative before you see what it is you want to write about. But yes, I want you to be critical, because having a critical review that still comes to a positive result is much better and more trustworthy for potential customers than doing an uncritical article like this one putting all into a positive light. If you find our price is too high, say it. If you think Beggar Prince´s graphics are more beautyfull, I am fine. At least this shows that we don´t pay you. If the bottom line is that it´s recommendable anyway that´s even better than when you say all is awesome, buy it!

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As for my supposed inability to accept criticism, I'm sorry, but I have to say that you have no idea of what you're talking about. You've gone and dismissed everything I've done simply because I don't think like you do. Guess what? Not everyone thinks like you do. Please, go and look at any of the threads in the Latest Feature forum that deal with articles I've written, and you'll see that I'm not only open to criticism, I welcome it. That's what this forum is for. Hell, go and check out any of the examples from the original version of the forum from two years ago, like this article, and you'll see that I welcome opinions and constructive criticism.
The comments made here about my article have not been constructive criticism or simple observations. Calling me an "ass kisser," "fanboy," and "disgustingly biased" does not include constructive connotation. They're insults, plain and simple.

No, I have no problem with you having another opinion than me. I wouldn´t be a friend of Zebbe if I had, since we both usually have VERY different opinions. I know that you are very "enthuisiastic" about everything Genesis, that alone leads to MANY different opinions, also on older articles I never bothered to comment.

But even so the quality of a site´s/magazine´s/TV show´s is measured by how critical and wide the view of the subject is. You as the boss of this site stand in this responsibility more than anyone else.

Saying that your article lacks to reflect any critical view on the matter that was easy to foresee is constructive critics. To adress your choice of words as sounding like an advertisement is constructive critic too. (Don't miss out on your final chance to be a part of Genesis history with the best version of Beggar Prince yet...Luckily, I have some more good news for you! The third run of Beggar Prince will cost exactly the same forty ($40) dollars as the first two... In the meantime, head on over to the official Beggar Prince website and reserve your copy while you can!)
These points are the center of my critic, and they are constructive. you try to push aside saying that the whole article was only aimed at those who haven´t bought it yet. But that doesn´t work. Especially since so many of this site´s visitors are owners of the game you can´t turn a blind eye to their concerns. You can´t pick your audience. You have to write for the audience you have.

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Originally Posted by Melf

Look, you made some very strong comments, and I have every right to respond to them and defend myself. If that causes you to decide to leave, then I think it has more to do with your inability to back up your accusations than anything else. Just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't automatically make me biased and closed-minded. I think you just need to be more accepting different opinions, or you'll encounter the same problem on every forum you go. I never encourage people to leave, but if you feel you have to, then good luck to you.

Sorry if I made too strong comments, but this article makes me mad. The back-up of my accusations is the very article itself. I have posted the critics in this very post (again). I can accept other´s opinions, but you finding this article good as it is and refusing to see any fault in it, even though such long-time members like Joe, Zebbe or me tell find it a little off to say the least has nothing to do with accepting opinions. It has to do with accepting critics and trying to improve.

To get the topic back to BP: I love the game more than you could imagine, putting it on the same level as PS IV. I am happy I bought the game, and I hope for many things to come. But I don´t find it right to change a product after the release if not all early customers profit from it too; and since patching is not an option on MD, this is the case here. I bought the game with the impression that it was the final product and wouldn´t get any better. Had I known that it is overworked later, even if it´s only semi-important stuff, I would have waited for the best version. And I have a hard time believing that SFT is losing money with this 3rd run; maybe the profit is smaller, but this will surely be adjusted by those who already have a copy and will buy the third run now too. This is why especially doing 900 copies now seems to be like aiming at selling old customers the product again. Why else jump from 300 for the second run to 900 in the third? I see that very critical.

However, anyone who does not own BP yet should definately buy it; it is a great product in the end.
10-11-2007, 05:12 PM
Gentlegamer

Great article, Ken! I will shortly pre-order my copy of Begger Prince.
10-11-2007, 05:39 PM
Zebbe

I think I understand why the article is so overly positive. For Ken, it is exclusive, which brings people to Sega-16. For Brandon, it helps the sales with no negative criticism on it. For both, it helps the Mega Drive community to grow. I think the deal is very common in the industry, where magazines gets exclusive previews on some games by a company, on the demand that they don't put any bad words on it.

Since this is only a preview, I don't really have much trouble with it. But that forces the game to be reviewed again, or have the old review revised. And THAT should put in some negative points about this new release.

Like: if the budget allows 900 copies, why weren't any money spent on fixing the numerous bugs that plagues the game, the biggest problem IMO? As I said earlier, one could be fixed easy by simply locking the prince out from visiting old places where he doesn't need to be anymore. You might also add that thanks to the bugs, you are forced to reload the game at numerous times because the game crashes. A little information in THE MANUAL, and not on forums, would be appropriate. Also, the site promised "highest quality", while there certainly wasn't, especially considering Joe's loose battery holder. That man should definitely get a new cartridge for free, in my opinion.
10-11-2007, 08:45 PM
megabomberman

To be honest I just think its sad to see ye guys fighting like this, ye are the stalwarts of this community and ye have got fairly heated over a little issue...

I can see why 108/joe or zebbe might be a little peeved, but Melf is going to find it hard to admit his article is one way or the other in the face of overly harsh comments, I think everyone should just take a step back and walk away... Nothing constructive can come now because this debate has gone down the pipe.

108 I hope you were caught in the moment when you were on about leaving etc, that would be a terrible pity and you would be sorely missed, if you didn't have a big enough reason to leave before this "incident" I can't see how you would have one now. Disappointment at the article is right to be founded but not so vehemently, its the ken we're used to, the same one who's articles I'd imagine you and everyone else here enjoys all the time.

So lets just move away. Get Brandon to send you the new cover art and hey presto you are sorted, If the only difference between the so called "beta version" and yours is then a sticker on it and the fact that you'll have to pull your imaginary 32x out of the console before you play it then so be it! ;)

This is reminds me of the game "F1" for the megadrive/genesis, the megadrive version enables saving the gen doesn't and there isn't even a 2player mode on the gen version. Think of that huge discrepancy in the same game, just different area. Now thats a big difference. Not the fact that you have to take your 32x out. Lets leave this and stay friends man.
10-11-2007, 09:28 PM
Melf

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Originally Posted by 108 Stars

Again, you can´t direct an article only towards one kind of people. Do you expect people to close their eyes and ignore it because they already own the game? No. Taking possible negative feelings, if they are predictable as here, in account is part of writing a good article.

You also can't write an article trying to please every single opinion out there. I'm excited about the fact that a great game has been made even better, and now those who have never experienced it before have another chance to do so. I wasn't trying to spite anyone or ignore those who bought the game, because the ones who are dissatisfied with the improvements don't seem to be a majority so far. Besides you, only two other people have expressed dissatisfaction with this new version. I'm not going to write an article that caters to a vocal minority.

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You call it dedication from SFT, but you never even say a word on that people who spent money on the game before might be pissed for having the inferior version now. And hey, you only have to spend 40,-$ on it! Hooray!!! That makes only a total of 80 when you have bought the beta that was supposed to be the final version a year ago and still want to have the final version! Not a word!

I don't mention it because it wouldn't be fair to do so. How do you know that this was supposed to be the final version released a year ago? How many times does Brandon have to explain that he would have fixed the save bug at the time if he could, but he couldn't. It wasn't only until recently that he was able to do so. You're asking me to pass as fact an opinion that cannot be proven. THAT wouldn't be good journalism.

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Maybe I WAS exaggerating there. But from the top of my head what comes to mind is the old rating discussion, where it was hard and took numerous complaints over weeks for you to accept that a reader score would be good. You are a stubborn man (so am I), but at least I usually come to my senses after sleeping over it a night or so). Even after the feedback you got on that article you refuse to see that it could have been done better to take all concerns in account.

Dear, dear friend 108 Stars. Do you see what I mean about not listening to what I say? Don't you remember that I said we would be making changes to the site in order to let readers give opinions about each game? By early November, the site will undergo an overall that will allow readers to score any game reviewed, averaging out the score to go along with the writer's score. You'll also be able to leave 400 character comments with each review!

I do listen, and this overhaul, along with everything else on this site, is coming out of my pocket. :)

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That is exactly NOT what I want. You made it sound like you wanted to threaten me with negativity. You cannot decide about being positive ore negative before you see what it is you want to write about. But yes, I want you to be critical, because having a critical review that still comes to a positive result is much better and more trustworthy for potential customers than doing an uncritical article like this one putting all into a positive light. If you find our price is too high, say it. If you think Beggar Prince´s graphics are more beautyfull, I am fine. At least this shows that we don´t pay you. If the bottom line is that it´s recommendable anyway that´s even better than when you say all is awesome, buy it!

Why would you ever think I would threaten you with a negative review? Why would you think I wouldn't give your game the same care and attention to detail that I do every other game we cover? What I was saying is that I write what I feel and what I see, and you're asking me to change that. If I did, I'd stop writing completely.

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No, I have no problem with you having another opinion than me. I wouldn´t be a friend of Zebbe if I had, since we both usually have VERY different opinions. I know that you are very "enthuisiastic" about everything Genesis, that alone leads to MANY different opinions, also on older articles I never bothered to comment.

You have every right to comment. That's why I'm paying for this forum! All comments are welcome, so long as they are respectful and constructive. All I ask is that you try not to insult anyone when you comment. It not only offends people, but it weakens your argument. People will think that you resorted to insults because you can't back up what you're saying.

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But even so the quality of a site´s/magazine´s/TV show´s is measured by how critical and wide the view of the subject is. You as the boss of this site stand in this responsibility more than anyone else.

Sega-16's staff tries to be objective, being positive when a game deserves it and trashing it when the need arises. Contributors each have their own opinions, and I'm not going to only accept reviews that meet my review critera, because then I might as well be reviewing each game myself.

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Saying that your article lacks to reflect any critical view on the matter that was easy to foresee is constructive critics. To adress your choice of words as sounding like an advertisement is constructive critic too. (Don't miss out on your final chance to be a part of Genesis history with the best version of Beggar Prince yet...Luckily, I have some more good news for you! The third run of Beggar Prince will cost exactly the same forty ($40) dollars as the first two... In the meantime, head on over to the official Beggar Prince website and reserve your copy while you can!)
These points are the center of my critic, and they are constructive. you try to push aside saying that the whole article was only aimed at those who haven´t bought it yet. But that doesn´t work. Especially since so many of this site´s visitors are owners of the game you can´t turn a blind eye to their concerns. You can´t pick your audience. You have to write for the audience you have.

I don't see the problem with anything you quoted. Beggar Prince isn't part of Genesis history? Is this not the best version available? Isn't the price still the same?

Many people bought Beggar Prince, but the amount of them that have had a problem with this new release so far, is exactly three - all have posted in this thread. Should it become a large group, you can bet we will address the situation. That's why you should quote something else from that last paragraph:

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Super Fighter Team will debut the third run at the Retrogaming Connexion in France later this month, and we'll be sure to update with the latest info.

I've left the door open for anything that happens once the game actually ships. If more people express the same concerns you have here, then rest assured it will be reflected in the update.

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Sorry if I made too strong comments, but this article makes me mad. The back-up of my accusations is the very article itself. I have posted the critics in this very post (again). I can accept other´s opinions, but you finding this article good as it is and refusing to see any fault in it, even though such long-time members like Joe, Zebbe or me tell find it a little off to say the least has nothing to do with accepting opinions. It has to do with accepting critics and trying to improve.

I have no problem with criticism. Ask j_factor or anyone else here. When I make a mistake in an article, I correct it. I'm not going to ask everyone what they think of a game before I preview/review it though. Who's opinion am I expressing then?

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And I have a hard time believing that SFT is losing money with this 3rd run; maybe the profit is smaller, but this will surely be adjusted by those who already have a copy and will buy the third run now too. This is why especially doing 900 copies now seems to be like aiming at selling old customers the product again. Why else jump from 300 for the second run to 900 in the third? I see that very critical.

I think you're overestimating the amount of people who already own a copy that will buy another. I'm betting that most sales will be from people who haven't bought one at all, due to the compatibility issues. There's bound to be people who buy a second copy, but I don't think it's going to be a majority.
10-11-2007, 09:29 PM
Joe Redifer

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108 I hope you were caught in the moment when you were on about leaving etc, that would be a terrible pity and you would be sorely missed

I believe he was talking about leaving this thread, not the forum.
10-11-2007, 10:19 PM
tomaitheous

I'm under the assumption that SST isn't working with the source code for BP, right? Just the assembled code like other romhackers/translators do.
10-12-2007, 06:20 AM
winona

Not that anyone cares but I got a reply to my emailabout shipping prices.
The reason EU members have to pay more than other international buyers is due to the fact that US priority mail isnt available to those countries. So they use the cheaper standard airmail. Its ok to pay the 52$US instead of the European fee in order to get the game sent by the cheaper/non trackable method.

This makes me very happy for two reasons.

1). I save 9$. Yay!
2). I get to avoid thew horrible priority mail option. It really is the worst piece of crap service the USPS have to offer. I dont know how it works inside the US but when sent to sweden in means:

Paying more than twice the shipping.

No speed gain at all. The estimated days is total BS. It usually the same or slower than standard airmail.

Getting the bloody thing "delivered" during work hours. If im not home, it gets sent to the other side of the city where I have to pick it up.

I bloody hate priority mail!!!!!
10-12-2007, 09:14 AM
GameUser-16-32-128

I can't believe some of you guys are crying over bad box art! Tell me then, did any of you return great games like Valis III, Strider or Phantasy Star IV because of the horrible box art? And regarding the save support feature for the CDX, I don't think this should be an issue, unless of course all of you have one (CDX) when you bought the original release of the game.
I consider the third run production of this game great news for me, because of the save feature support for the CDX. I wouldn't have bought it before if there was no save support. Many Thanks to SST for working hard on getting that functionality fixed!
10-12-2007, 09:15 AM
108 Stars

Well, then let us just agree to disagree Melf. I stand behind every word I said, and think it was an awfully bad article. You think different. No way we can come together here.
10-12-2007, 11:11 AM
Bratwurst

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I can't believe some of you guys are crying over bad box art! Tell me then, did any of you return great games like Valis III, Strider or Phantasy Star IV because of the horrible box art?

The examples you quoted have technically proficient artwork though. They are bad in their own way, mostly by not being very faithful to the source material and some perspective issues, but they are way better than the first artwork Beggar Prince uses.

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