Beggar Prince: Official Thread

By the way, to the person that wanted to compare Beggar Prince to Pier Solar, I in no way have tried to do this but since you wanted to bring it up...

Battle Scenes

Pier Solar
http://www.piersolar.com/images/scre...ttleforest.jpg

Beggar Prince
http://www.superfighter.com/images/bp/bprincee.gif

Pier Solar
http://www.piersolar.com/images/scre...ttlecanyon.jpg

Beggar Prince
http://www.superfighter.com/images/bp/bprince4.gif


To whoever said Pier Solar was "more colorful" than Beggar Prince, you can see from the battles alone this is not true.

Pier Solar
http://www.piersolar.com/images/scre...s/mountain.jpg

Beggar Prince
http://www.superfighter.com/images/bp/bprince3.gif

Pier Solar
http://www.piersolar.com/images/scre...reenshot-4.gif

Beggar Prince
http://www.superfighter.com/images/bp/bprincec.gif

There is obviously no clear winner. Different people are gonna like different things, I just completed this post and asked an unbiased opinion of my buddy whos here with me, he has no knowledge of either games but is an RPG fan, I asked him which of these games to him looks better to him, He picked Pier Solar, I disagree, I like Beggar Prince. So different people are going to have different opinions, I guess its a question of taste and preference.

They both seem to be good games, I know Beggar Prince is, and I bet I'll like Pier Solar, too. It sucks there have been setbacks with Pier Solar, but I can deal.

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Let's please try and keep this thread focused on Beggar Prince. Thank-you.

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Again, I'd really appreciate it if this simple request could be honored. Thanks.

You can compare Beggar Prince and that other RPG in that other RPG's official thread which is also stickied if you want (or create a new thread on the topic).

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Originally Posted by salamando

Well my copy of Beggar Prince is a joy to play thank you SuperFighterTeam, this game is fantastic, the Translation has quailty, the game has a heart warming story.

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Thank-you! I'm glad you are enjoying the game, and it's always very nice to hear customer feedback.

As the first commercial product released by Super Fighter Team, Beggar Prince still holds a special place in my heart. I'll never forget the long, painstaking process that got us from beginning to endgame. Thinking back on that time always inspires me while working on a new game product.

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Originally Posted by Melf

Beggar Prince is awesome, but I'm eager to hear about what SFT's next game will be.

Any news for the hungry masses, Mr. Cobb?

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I can't share any details yet, but as soon as we're ready to do a press release about our next new Mega Drive game, you can bet that Sega-16 will be one of my first stops. :)

I was just sticking up for Beggar Prince, cant beleive someone tried to insult it in its own thread!

Given this topics recent activity I'm gonna ask, does anyone have pics of the original Taiwan version of this game? I've come across this photo on the net and have seen this copy before...

http://fuji.drillspirits.net/pix/md-...x%20Front).jpg

but I assume this is a Chinese reprint since I've seen someone selling the cart that goes with this one and in the screenshot of the title there are no copyrights from C&E anywhere, just like the dumped ROM. Plus both those times they never have a manual, so either it's just missing or maybe it didn't come with one.

Hello.

This reply may not read very well as I am quite exhausted at the moment. Apologies in advance. :(

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

Given this topics recent activity I'm gonna ask, does anyone have pics of the original Taiwan version of this game?

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I've posted at least one photo of the original box cover here in this very forum, but it was many pages back and the image is likely not hosted on my webspace anymore...

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

I've come across this photo on the net and have seen this copy before...

but I assume this is a Chinese reprint

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No, that's the real deal, all right. The unauthorized bootleg copies of the game bear different (more cartoonish) artwork.

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

in the screenshot of the title there are no copyrights from C&E anywhere, just like the dumped ROM.

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Indeed. The official copies don't have this information in / on them.

I asked, but C&E hadn't been able to provide me with a copy of the game for the Mega Drive, because they'd long since sold out of them, so they mailed me the PC version instead and suggested I search online for the MD version. When I found it for sale, we called up C&E on the phone to specifically discuss the lack of copyright messages, so I could be 100% certain the original copy of the game that I bought from Taiwan was, in fact, an original copy.

For some reason this particular game was released by C&E's distributor without their logo and copyright information in it. Why? I haven't the foggiest idea. I didn't bother to ask C&E for an explanation because it was irrelevant at the time.

Now, this sort of thing happens every once in a while with Taiwan video games - for example, you won't see ChuanPu Technical's logo or copyright information anywhere on official copies of their game 水滸傳 (Shui Hu Zhuan), but you will find these messages on official copies of 封神英傑傳 (Fengshen Yingjiechuan).

新乞丐王子 (Xin Qi Gai Wang Zi aka Beggar Prince) also has a much more rushed / amateurish / unofficial looking package design than any of C&E's other games (for any platform). I don't know why this is, either. Perhaps the distributor was tasked with putting these details together, and they just plain sucked at it. The world may never know.

What C&E did at one point provide me with was a source code backup of the game, which included a prototype ROM. This prototype ROM displayed the copyright information on the title screen, though if I remember correctly (which I may not) it still said "1994" at this point. The final ROM has the proper copyright date of 1996 in the graphics data, though it has been disabled from appearing on the title screen.

So... while I originally thought that pirates had hacked the copyright message out of the game after dumping it, this was not the case. There was some fiddling with the available dump, as our verified dump differed from it, but to what degree I cannot say.

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You ask a lot of good questions, Bramsworth, for which I wish I had more detailed answers. However, I hope the information I've provided here is useful. Should you have more questions, please let me know.

Also - I had recently verified with the president of C&E that no other company had any hand in producing / releasing the 1998 PC version of Beggar Prince, despite what any website(s) claimed. I didn't bother to update the Wikipedia article, but I figured you'd be interested to know this.

Thanks for the thorough response.

The package design is what threw me off the most, since I've seen all of C&E's other work and none of them look so MSPaint-like. It looks like someone literally took some pictures and pasted them on there.

So you found a copy of it for sale way back then? Did it come with a manual? I'm wondering if it's just coincidence the two times I've come across this copy that it never has a manual.

I'll fix up the Wiki entry for the PC version since I wrote that. I guess it's understandable how it's wrong, considering there seems to be a lot of misinformation surrounding who was involved with a lot of stuff out there. One site lists the wrong company and then everyone else starts spreading that around I suppose..

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

Thanks for the thorough response.

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You're welcome. It's, after all, having to do with one of my favorite games - and the information is doing no good kept locked in my head.

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

The package design is what threw me off the most, since I've seen all of C&E's other work and none of them look so MSPaint-like. It looks like someone literally took some pictures and pasted them on there.

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Yes, C&E's other games all have very professional looking packaging by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

So you found a copy of it for sale way back then? Did it come with a manual?

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I bought two copies, because I had to completely gut the first one - break open the cartridge, take apart the manual for proper scans, etc. Both copies I bought were like new and complete, including manual.

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

I'm wondering if it's just coincidence the two times I've come across this copy that it never has a manual.

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The game was released in 1996 and I think, many of the owners didn't bother to keep the whole product together, after all these years. You'll see most of C&E's games selling as cartridge only.

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

I guess it's understandable how it's wrong, considering there seems to be a lot of misinformation surrounding who was involved with a lot of stuff out there.

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That's an understatement. But it's like the rest of the world, these days - nobody wants to sit down and do the research; they'd rather speculate. Once a person has speculated, and shared that information on the internet, most everyone accepts it as fact.

In the case of Chinese video games, getting the truth is often difficult. It took me several years to get the full, true story behind Sango Fighter, for example, in my preparation to try and acquire the rights to the game. But, you know, that's how it is, for me. I hate speculating. And, running a business, it doesn't pay to do a lot of it anyway. Gotta go for the facts, and go for the gold. :)

Hmm, OK. So it does contain a manual. I'm trying to make a "complete" collection here so I'll make sure to avoid incomplete copies :P Thanks.

Awesome info guys! A great read. Wish I lived in asia and played RPGs all day in opium fields!

Ordered my copy today! I'll be the first shiny new Genesis game in a LONG time.

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

Ordered my copy today! I'll be the first shiny new Genesis game in a LONG time.

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From personal experience you're gonna LOVE it.

yeah it literally comes shiny, shiny cart and awesome box

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Originally Posted by Bramsworth

Hmm, OK. So it does contain a manual. I'm trying to make a "complete" collection here so I'll make sure to avoid incomplete copies :P Thanks.

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i saw this one cib on taobao last year

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

Ordered my copy today! I'll be the first shiny new Genesis game in a LONG time.

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Thank-you! Your copy will ship Monday.

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Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder

Thank-you! Your copy will ship Monday.

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no, thank you. I'm very excited to see what your next project will be.

I heard they're porting Divine Sealing.

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Originally Posted by The Coop

I heard they're porting Divine Sealing.

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OH GOD NO.

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Originally Posted by The Coop

I heard they're porting Divine Sealing.

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Where'd you get that from? It's not an RPG so it can't be the next game. The next game most likely would be Conquering the World 3. It's the only RPG left that isn't from ChaunPu, and unless we've been flat out lied to, no ChuanPu games are being done anytime in the future since they use ripped graphics.

Though I suspect SKOB(the people behind Conquering the World 3) is a ChuanPu alias or something.

Next game better be "Super Fighter Vs Sango Fighter"

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Originally Posted by The Coop

I heard they're porting Divine Sealing.

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No, no, your information source didn't have it quite correct.
We're producing a sequel: Divine Sealing II - Pass the Spackle™

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Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder

No, no, your information source didn't have it quite correct.
We're producing a sequel: Divine Sealing II - Pass the Spackle™

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Sweeeeeeeet. Does it come with a cool freebie or anything? Like a free controller shaped like a mini lotion bottle to use for beating it? The game I mean.

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Originally Posted by The Coop

Sweeeeeeeet. Does it come with a cool freebie or anything? Like a free controller shaped like a mini lotion bottle to use for beating it? The game I mean.

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Sheesh, you'll be lucky if it "comes" with a manual after you see the massive wad (of cash) we had to blow just to secure a license for the Spackle trademark. Talk about a case of "innuend'oh!"

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Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder

Sheesh, you'll be lucky if it "comes" with a manual after you see the massive wad (of cash) we had to blow just to secure a license for the Spackle trademark. Talk about a case of "innuend'oh!"

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Really? I can only imagine what you had to pull to get all that. But, given all the money shot on this, I'm sure the fans will undoubtedly be left satisfied as they trust into the game and shoot away.

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Originally Posted by The Coop

Sweeeeeeeet. Does it come with a cool freebie or anything? Like a free controller shaped like a mini lotion bottle to use for beating it? The game I mean.

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No, it'll come with a USB port that you can plug a Rez Trance Vibrator in.

got my copy today, 8 business days. Not bad from SoCal to Eastern Canada. Played it a bit and I'm very impressed thus far. The Genesis is blessed with alot of platformers, shooters and acton games but its rather thin in the rpg department so I'm pretty pleased with what the super fighter team is doing.

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

got my copy today, 8 business days. Not bad from SoCal to Eastern Canada. Played it a bit and I'm very impressed thus far. The Genesis is blessed with alot of platformers, shooters and acton games but its rather thin in the rpg department so I'm pretty pleased with what the super fighter team is doing.

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Thanks for taking the time to share your first impressions of the game. I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of it.

I highly recommend this game.

For one thing, the packaging is just superb. You cannot match the nostalgia value here. The cover art is excellent, the cartridge looks beautiful as well, and the instruction manual is very nice looking.

As for the game itself, I'd liken it to RPG's of the NES age, something like Dragon Warrior with more story thrown in for good measure. Quite a bit of exploring to do so far, though being a goofball, I neglected to actually read the manual, and loaded my game several times as opposed to saving it due to the simple icon based system :) pure user error, and nothing against the game itself.

Graphics are quite pretty, the dialog is very well done, and the controls are fairly intuitive. This DOES work on the Gen Mobile, in case anyone was wondering, but I suggest playing it on a Genesis; you don't want to miss out on the nice music and sound effects that would otherwise be distorted by a clone system.

It was well worth it, shipping was FAST, and it came well secured in two layers of packaging.

Thank you Super Fighter Team!

Thank you Brandon Cobb!

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Originally Posted by Phosis

I highly recommend this game.

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Thanks for sharing your first impressions. It was a very thorough, complimentary read that brought a smile to my face. I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of Beggar Prince. :D

Hmmm, I think I've hit a bug. I've made a bit of progress today. I made it to the fairy garden and killed the cactus guy went back to talk to the various fairies. Anyways, I went to an area where this guy was talking about his brother being a good gardener and went into his tree house. Did a little vase moving puzzle and found what I assume to be his brother but as soon as I talked to him my screen went wacky and now it seems my save is gone. :daze:

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

Hmmm, I think I've hit a bug.

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The particular issue you described is not something we ever experienced during testing. Having personally played through the entire game more times than I could ever count, on just about every make and model of the Genesis / Mega Drive, I never had any dialogue or interaction problems with that character.

In fact, the entire Garden of Wonder was a free and clear zone, so far as bugs were concerned. The only quirk that exists is the fact that you can fight and defeat the Cactus Fiend as many times as you like, due to how this particular boss enemy's encounter was programmed. I decided to leave this quirk in the game, as a bit of a "bridge" to leveling up in that area.

The problem you had sounds like something that pops up under only the most specific of circumstances, and I am sorry that it happened to you. Hopefully, this experience does not sour you on the game.

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

and now it seems my save is gone. :daze:

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None of the bugs we encountered and corrected during programming ever affected the save system, especially to the point of erasing a saved game. What I would recommend, is that you pop open your game cartridge with a Phillips head screw driver and ensure that the battery on your game board is firmly secured. Though we haven't had any issues with loose batteries since we redesigned the battery holder for the third production run of the game, it is better to be safe than sorry.

If you should have any future questions or curiousities, please feel free to bring them to my direct attention. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder

The particular issue you described is not something we ever experienced during testing. Having personally played through the entire game more times than I could ever count, on just about every make and model of the Genesis / Mega Drive, I never had any dialogue or interaction problems with that character.

In fact, the entire Garden of Wonder was a free and clear zone, so far as bugs were concerned. The only quirk that exists is the fact that you can fight and defeat the Cactus Fiend as many times as you like, due to how this particular boss enemy's encounter was programmed. I decided to leave this quirk in the game, as a bit of a "bridge" to leveling up in that area.

The problem you had sounds like something that pops up under only the most specific of circumstances, and I am sorry that it happened to you. Hopefully, this experience does not sour you on the game.



None of the bugs we encountered and corrected during programming ever affected the save system, especially to the point of erasing a saved game. What I would recommend, is that you pop open your game cartridge with a Phillips head screw driver and ensure that the battery on your game board is firmly secured. Though we haven't had any issues with loose batteries since we redesigned the battery holder for the third production run of the game, it is better to be safe than sorry.

If you should have any future questions or curiousities, please feel free to bring them to my direct attention. Thanks.

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Also of note : I'm using a retrogen not a real genny. My battery is fine. I've confirmed this by starting over and doing a few saves. Its odd that it blitzed all my saves. At least it shouldn't take me too long to get back there. I haven't found anything too hard in the game thus far. I guess after spending so much time wandering in the dungeon below the palace ( I think I was lvl 8 by the time I got out ) I was pretty pumped. I do like the game. I've found it very entertaining. I'm just frustrated is all. I think I'll have to pick up a real genny for such moments.

My third production run copy of Beggar Prince also lost its saves, and I have no idea why. When I beat it on my Nomad, I put it on my shelf, with the saves intact. A few months later, I tried it again and the saves were gone. Saving and loading still works fine, so it's not the battery to blame. I also checked my first copy of Beggar Prince, and it had the saves intact. So I guess it has something to do with the program.

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Originally Posted by Zebbe

My third production run copy of Beggar Prince also lost its saves, and I have no idea why. When I beat it on my Nomad, I put it on my shelf, with the saves intact. A few months later, I tried it again and the saves were gone. Saving and loading still works fine, so it's not the battery to blame. I also checked my first copy of Beggar Prince, and it had the saves intact. So I guess it has something to do with the program.

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How very odd. Mine blitzed in the middle of an hour session. Its funny, I was just looking at a nomad on ebay to maybe be a solution. I think I'll see if I can duplicate it first.

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

Also of note : I'm using a retrogen not a real genny.

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Why would you do that ?! :confused:

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

Why would you do that ?! :confused:

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It fits my lifestyle better. The kids watch toddler type tv and I can keep an eye on them while entertaining myself.

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

Also of note : I'm using a retrogen not a real genny.

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That shouldn't have anything to do with the problem you were having.

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Originally Posted by CheapAssGamer

I'm just frustrated is all.

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On the plus side, since the issue you described has never appeared in our testing, and has also never been brought to my attention by any of our other customers, it seems highly unlikely that you would run across it again on a second playthrough.

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Originally Posted by CMA Death Adder

That shouldn't have anything to do with the problem you were having.

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I am not sure about that. We know that the Retrogen is emulation based and causes all kinds of issues with different games:

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Originally Posted by Christuserloeser

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plus its cartslot isn't powered with the required voltage causing trouble with various games that allow saving.