GameTrailers basically saying it like it is. Sonic has been bad since the 90s. Some of the spinoff and handheld games have been good, but the rest are either mixed quality or outright bad. I like Sonic Adventure and Generations, but even I admit Big the Cat and modern Sonic (over half of Generations) are awful.
It is time humanity stopped suffering from the delusion that is modern Sonic. Sonic needs to go back to 1995 ASAP or just be killed off. Modern Sonic games are nothing but insults to the Mega Drive era. Games like Jam and Pocket Adventure are tributes, but not really new games.
We need a real 2D Sonic 4, Sonic Xtreme, and remastered Sonic 3, and Sonic 1/2 ported to consoles/PC, and Sonic CD ported to more things (and patched on console/PC with latest mobile features). Sonic 4 basically needs to be restarted.
Games like SEGA All-Stars are good and are SEGA games, not really 'Sonic' games. Sonic holds them back honestly, they would be better if they only had Classic Sonic characters instead of modern.
Classic Sonic and floating burgers/candy made delusions happen.
In the meantime. I'll keep enjoying my video games.
07-27-2015, 02:02 AM
Hidden_Darkness
so because someone enjoys a game you don't they are delusional? ok then...
07-27-2015, 02:19 AM
Jeckidy
I did not care for Colors in any regard. Never played Generations, but I sold my copy of Colors and forgot about it for the most part. I do not care for Sonic anymore and I also do not care for Mario now either, even though I think Mario has been more consistent in quality.
07-27-2015, 02:51 AM
ComradeOj
I think they're both okay games. They both have their issues, but I still think they're some of the better 3D sonic games.
For example, Colors has too much 2D and not enough 3D sections, in my opinion. I like the world designs and aesthetics though. Generations was mostly good, but it was a bit short. The levels were mostly fun, but the themes were things we've already seen. I liked the remixed music a lot though.
To tell you the truth, I liked the modern stages in generations more than the classic ones. That's partly because classic sonic in generations doesn't control like sonic in the Genesis games. They felt like a cheap 2.5D platformer, while the modern stages felt like I would expect them to.
Overall, I think Generations is the better of the two, but they are kind of overrated. Calling people delusional for liking them is going too far though.
07-27-2015, 02:56 AM
Jeckidy
I don't care enough to call people delusional for liking other stuff. I think it's pointless to do so. There are a lot of games I like that others despise. In terms of taste and subjectivity of entertainment, I say that its all complimentary most of the time because deriding someone for liking what's not considered good by the consensus is like saying medicines for obscure diseases are pointless because there are less people who need them.
07-27-2015, 03:18 AM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by 5233
I did not care for Colors in any regard. Never played Generations, but I sold my copy of Colors and forgot about it for the most part. I do not care for Sonic anymore and I also do not care for Mario now either, even though I think Mario has been more consistent in quality.
Thanks for an honest statement.
GameTrailers called people delusional, I am just repeating what they said. Sonic Colours sucks (you cannot even roll in it, what is this trash?). Generations is alright, but the physics are off and half the levels or more suck (modern junk). Where is Sonic 3? CD? 3D Blast? R? The GG games? The SMS games? Instead we get 'gems' like Sonic 06 and Heroes (lol...).
Generations never even had Classic Knuckles and Amy. Pretty disgraceful. Chaotix could have been like on 32X too. And there is no co-op or multiplayer like on Mega Drive.
Generations is a good idea, but they need to do a better job. ONLY Classic and stick to the 90s. And more characters, content, levels, bosses, better physics, and better story.
The 3D gameplay in Generations outright sucks. It is boost to win with no rolling. Yawn.
Colors and Generations are fine games. They're not earth shattering classics but they're fun and really that's all Sonic can hope to be at this point. Sonic the Hedgehog is never going to be this grand, industry leading franchise ever again no matter how hard Sega tries or how much the fans want it. "It's OK," is the best Sonic can be anymore.
I still maintain that Sonic needs to go away for a while. Sega needs to stop digging the hole deeper with game after game and give the franchise a rest. Maybe, just maybe if people have a break from it and the franchise can be revisited with a fresh set of eyes and a consumer base that isn't tired of being bludgeoned to death with new, occasionally disastrous games, they can produce something worthy.
It's not going to happen because it still makes them more money than any other game they put out but if quality is the overall concern here, it's what needs to happen.
Or Sonic will just go full-on mobile and that's that.
07-27-2015, 01:28 PM
Drexl
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Originally Posted by Obviously
I still maintain that Sonic needs to go away for a while. Sega needs to stop digging the hole deeper with game after game and give the franchise a rest. Maybe, just maybe if people have a break from it and the franchise can be revisited with a fresh set of eyes and a consumer base that isn't tired of being bludgeoned to death with new, occasionally disastrous games, they can produce something worthy.
The Olympics happening every other year won't let him go away for long. (Yes, another Mario & Sonic is already lined up for Rio, this time including an arcade game in Japan.)
07-27-2015, 03:11 PM
Pulstar
The most recent Sonic karting game is a classic, better than all previous Mario Karts combined, but I haven't played the Wiiwee one so I wouldn't judge.
Perhaps Sumo Digital can make a decent Sonic platformer?!
07-27-2015, 03:30 PM
Obviously
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Originally Posted by Pulstar
The most recent Sonic karting game is a classic, better than all previous Mario Karts combined, but I haven't played the Wiiwee one so I wouldn't judge.
Perhaps Sumo Digital can make a decent Sonic platformer?!
You know, maybe it wouldn't be a terrible idea to hire a company so good at arcade style racers to take a crack at Sonic.
07-27-2015, 03:49 PM
Kamahl
According to a Mario Kart fanboy friend of mine (who owns a Wii U), Sonic All Stars Racing only loses to the very latest Mario Kart 8 (which is the game that made him buy a Wii U).
07-27-2015, 04:14 PM
Gogogadget
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Originally Posted by Kamahl
According to a Mario Kart fanboy friend of mine (who owns a Wii U), Sonic All Stars Racing only loses to the very latest Mario Kart 8 (which is the game that made him buy a Wii U).
Mario Kart 8 is a serious step up from Wii and 7, so i'd probably agree with this.
07-27-2015, 04:16 PM
negative chill
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Originally Posted by Hidden_Darkness
so because someone enjoys a game you don't they are delusional?
This is basically 4chan's video games board in a nutshell
07-27-2015, 04:39 PM
Jump Space
I like Sonic Colors, but then, I'm the most delusional person that I know and I know a lot of people, but most of them are delusions. It could also be synaesthesia.
07-27-2015, 05:07 PM
Soulis
Well... you know that modern Sonic games suck when unfinished fan made games like Sonic Fan Remix look and feel better and even get the physics right, something Sega can't do. Seriously, what is about modern Sonic Team not being able to nail the physics?
Generations somewhat managed to be decent but i think it was mostly the nostalgic feel about it. And after the first few levels i lost any interest about it. Not to mention the console versions were unplayable for me at 30fps. A fast paced game with mostly side scrolling at 30fps? Should be called Sonic Blurry World.
07-27-2015, 08:21 PM
Benjamin
Sonic Colors is a very nice game with an amazing soundtrack. Generations was well done, too, even if it embraced the QTE/"locked rails" gameplay of modern Sonic as we've been accustomed to seeing since Adventure. People are just going to gripe about Sonic no matter how good the game is. I'd agree that Sonic games have been overall not as sharp as they should be for Sega's flagship, but when you have an otherwise good game like Sonic Unleashed treated like garbage because the guy morphs into a werehog, you just have to raise your hands up and recognize no amount of logic or convincing is going to sway the hivemind.
07-27-2015, 08:35 PM
TrekkiesUnite118
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Originally Posted by Kogen
We need a real 2D Sonic 4, Sonic Xtreme, and remastered Sonic 3, and Sonic 1/2 ported to consoles/PC, and Sonic CD ported to more things (and patched on console/PC with latest mobile features). Sonic 4 basically needs to be restarted.
So you wish to stay stuck in the past? Suit yourself. I'll continue to enjoy both new and old Sonic games.
07-27-2015, 08:36 PM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by Obviously
Colors and Generations are fine games. They're not earth shattering classics but they're fun and really that's all Sonic can hope to be at this point. Sonic the Hedgehog is never going to be this grand, industry leading franchise ever again no matter how hard Sega tries or how much the fans want it. "It's OK," is the best Sonic can be anymore.
I still maintain that Sonic needs to go away for a while. Sega needs to stop digging the hole deeper with game after game and give the franchise a rest. Maybe, just maybe if people have a break from it and the franchise can be revisited with a fresh set of eyes and a consumer base that isn't tired of being bludgeoned to death with new, occasionally disastrous games, they can produce something worthy.
It's not going to happen because it still makes them more money than any other game they put out but if quality is the overall concern here, it's what needs to happen.
Or Sonic will just go full-on mobile and that's that.
You are a great example of someone deluded with no logic.
How is 'resting' Sonic going to make Rise of Lyric less shitty? A random wait period does not somehow magically improve a game's quality. What are you smoking?
'Simply OK' is not good enough, Sonic is not supposed to be a free game in a cereal box. Sonic used to be the #1 series at one point and it should still be highly regarded. Mario is, so what gives? It is Sonic Team's fault, as well as the fault of SEGA/Big Red Button with Sonic Boom.
There is nothing wrong with Classic Sonic, but there is something wrong with Sonic's developers. They just need new staff. Time to fire the untalented hacks over at Sonic Team.
07-27-2015, 08:41 PM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by Pulstar
The most recent Sonic karting game is a classic, better than all previous Mario Karts combined, but I haven't played the Wiiwee one so I wouldn't judge.
Perhaps Sumo Digital can make a decent Sonic platformer?!
That is not a Sonic game. It is a SEGA All-Stars game. They just got forced to shove the word Sonic in front.
And yeah, that game is good.
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Originally Posted by Soulis
Well... you know that modern Sonic games suck when unfinished fan made games like Sonic Fan Remix look and feel better and even get the physics right, something Sega can't do. Seriously, what is about modern Sonic Team not being able to nail the physics?
Generations somewhat managed to be decent but i think it was mostly the nostalgic feel about it. And after the first few levels i lost any interest about it. Not to mention the console versions were unplayable for me at 30fps. A fast paced game with mostly side scrolling at 30fps? Should be called Sonic Blurry World.
All true. Thanks for saying it like you see it. Random fan projects are superior to actual retail games... so sad.
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Sonic Colors is a very nice game with an amazing soundtrack. Generations was well done, too, even if it embraced the QTE/"locked rails" gameplay of modern Sonic as we've been accustomed to seeing since Adventure. People are just going to gripe about Sonic no matter how good the game is. I'd agree that Sonic games have been overall not as sharp as they should be for Sega's flagship, but when you have an otherwise good game like Sonic Unleashed treated like garbage because the guy morphs into a werehog, you just have to raise your hands up and recognize no amount of logic or convincing is going to sway the hivemind.
Eh, you are part of a minority. I thought Colours was crap, and so did plenty of other people. I have been playing Sonic since the first game back when it came out. I know a Sonic game needs rolling to be good. Colours is a boring, generic platformer designed for little kids on Wii.
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
So you wish to stay stuck in the past? Suit yourself. I'll continue to enjoy both new and old Sonic games.
Well it is a game from 1991, so yeah?
Next you will complain Company of Heroes and Age of Empires are stuck in the past!
Edit: just thinking about your post is alarming. You do realise this is a Mega Drive forum about a console from the 1980s? Maybe you should post on the official PlayStation Vita TV forums.
Sonic in modern times is a laughing stock and a shame to gaming. Games like Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric are on Wikipedia's 'worst games ever' lists due to such backlash.
07-27-2015, 08:46 PM
TrekkiesUnite118
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Originally Posted by Kogen
Well it is a game from 1991, so yeah?
Next you will complain Company of Heroes and Age of Empires are stuck in the past!
No, because those franchises are actually making new entries. You are not asking for new entries, you're literally asking for releases/ports of games we've already played over 20 years ago. That's called being stuck in the past.
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Edit: just thinking about your post is alarming. You do realise this is a Mega Drive forum about a console from the 1980s? Maybe you should post on the official PlayStation Vita TV forums.
Just because we like older systems doesn't mean we're all stuck in the past. I enjoy playing my Genesis, SNES, Saturn, Dreamcast, GC, etc. But I don't wish that was all I had to play. I don't wish Sega would stop making new games and just keep rereleasing their old Genesis games I already own.
07-27-2015, 09:04 PM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
No, because those franchises are actually making new entries. You are not asking for new entries, you're literally asking for releases/ports of games we've already played over 20 years ago. That's called being stuck in the past.
You do realise what Sonic CD, 1, and 2 remastered are, right?
I personally support Retro Gaming and want to see Sonic 3 remastered, and those other remasters ported around. Reason? They are done really well and are a great tribute to 16-bit SEGA.
If you dislike retro gaming and Mega Drive, that is your issue. Other people love it. I personally enjoy the past. 'Modern' is a cancer on gaming and technology in general.
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Just because we like older systems doesn't mean we're all stuck in the past. I enjoy playing my Genesis, SNES, Saturn, Dreamcast, GC, etc. But I don't wish that was all I had to play. I don't wish Sega would stop making new games and just keep rereleasing their old Genesis games I already own.
Well I do not get a whole lot out of modern gaming and almost no one likes modern Sonic anymore. The games both review bad (critics and fans alike) and sell bad. SEGA's president apologised twice for 'SEGA games being bad' and 'a betrayal of trust that we used to have in the 90s'. I can post his quotes later on.
07-27-2015, 09:23 PM
Benjamin
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Originally Posted by Kogen
Eh, you are part of a minority. I thought Colours was crap, and so did plenty of other people.
And yet, Colors has an 80-90 rating from most major sites. Metacritic pegs it at a 78, an average that idiot Jim Sterling drags down with his 45/100 "review," the lone bad review the game has received as recognized by the site. Colors and Generations are well received. You're welcome to not like it for whatever reason, but you're kidding yourself if you think those who like those games are some minority of players. There's a reason people championed Colors for breaking the Sonic Cycle.
07-27-2015, 09:52 PM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by Benjamin
And yet, Colors has an 80-90 rating from most major sites. Metacritic pegs it at a 78, an average that idiot Jim Sterling drags down with his 45/100 "review," the lone bad review the game has received as recognized by the site. Colors and Generations are well received. You're welcome to not like it for whatever reason, but you're kidding yourself if you think those who like those games are some minority of players. There's a reason people championed Colors for breaking the Sonic Cycle.
I meant people I talk to IRL. Most of them do not like the game. Some younger people did, but a lot of older gamers disliked it. Although I even know some younger people that dislike it too.
Sonic never broke any 'cycle', hahahahaha, what? The games still suck. Go play Rise of Lyric.
07-27-2015, 10:27 PM
Gogogadget
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Originally Posted by Kogen
I meant people I talk to IRL.
This can't be true, nobody in real life would talk to you
07-27-2015, 10:41 PM
Kogen
Most normal gamers do not like modern Sonic.
07-27-2015, 11:03 PM
TrekkiesUnite118
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Originally Posted by Kogen
You do realise what Sonic CD, 1, and 2 remastered are, right?
Yes, I know what it is. It's a port of Sonic 3 to smartphones and PC. Same with Sonic CD, 1, and 2. They're the same damn games with a few tacked on features. I really could care less. If I want to play those games, I'll go play the carts on my Genesis. If I want the bonus levels/features, I'll use my Everdrive.
Why anyone would want to play a 2D game that requires good timing and responsive controls on a smartphone with a laggy touch screen is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by Kogen
I personally support Retro Gaming and want to see Sonic 3 remastered, and those other remasters ported around. Reason? They are done really well and are a great tribute to 16-bit SEGA.
Good for you. I'm not saying those can't exist, what I'm against is saying Sega should just stop making new Sonic games and just regurgitate their old games over and over again just to appease people like you who are stuck in the past.
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Originally Posted by Kogen
If you dislike retro gaming and Mega Drive, that is your issue. Other people love it. I personally enjoy the past. 'Modern' is a cancer on gaming and technology in general.
I don't dislike retro gaming or my Sega Genesis. I love it. But I also love newer games too. Just because you are stuck in the 90's and can't enjoy both new and old together doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.
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Originally Posted by Kogen
Well I do not get a whole lot out of modern gaming and almost no one likes modern Sonic anymore. The games both review bad (critics and fans alike) and sell bad. SEGA's president apologised twice for 'SEGA games being bad' and 'a betrayal of trust that we used to have in the 90s'. I can post his quotes later on.
Yet Sonic Colors and Generations reviewed well. Even ScrewAttack, the site you're quoting, gave those games good reviews. Really the only truly bad modern Sonic games we can all agree on are Sonic 2006, and Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric. And even Sonic 2006 had it's moments, which you can see in fan recreations on the Hedgehog engine:
07-27-2015, 11:13 PM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118
Yes, I know what it is. It's a port of Sonic 3 to smartphones and PC. Same with Sonic CD, 1, and 2. They're the same damn games with a few tacked on features. I really could care less. If I want to play those games, I'll go play the carts on my Genesis. If I want the bonus levels/features, I'll use my Everdrive.
Because it is portable and most people own tablets these days. Get with the times. They would also make for great digital downloads on Steam and consoles. Features like widescreen, more character support, and online play are nice too. Most people do not have an Everdrive, or even a Mega Drive in 2015.
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Why anyone would want to play a 2D game that requires good timing and responsive controls on a smartphone with a laggy touch screen is beyond me.
You can get controllers for tablets.
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Good for you. I'm not saying those can't exist, what I'm against is saying Sega should just stop making new Sonic games and just regurgitate their old games over and over again just to appease people like you who are stuck in the past.
You might want to throw your Mega Drive out and get a PS4, then.
Do you realise how foolish this sounds in a retro gaming community?
Also please quote me where I said 'never make a new Sonic game!'. Because guess what? I suggested they make a real Sonic 4 and Xtreme, two new games.
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I don't dislike retro gaming or my Sega Genesis. I love it. But I also love newer games too. Just because you are stuck in the 90's and can't enjoy both new and old together doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.
Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Unleashed Wii, Sonic Colours, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric are making the rest of us suffer. Are you seriously going to suggest these are good games? (You can like a few, but most of them?)
Most people hate these games and they are making SEGA and Sonic seem like a pathetic joke. Classic Sonic is beloved in contrast. Sonic Generations sold due to Classic Sonic, Lost World and Boom failed due to modern Sonic.
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Yet Sonic Colors and Generations reviewed well. Even ScrewAttack, the site you're quoting, gave those games good reviews. Really the only truly bad modern Sonic games we can all agree on are Sonic 2006, and Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric. And even Sonic 2006 had it's moments, which you can see in fan recreations on the Hedgehog engine:
Sonic 06 sucks plain and simple. Only a fanboy would think that game is good. SEGA pulled it, along with Unleashed, a few years back.
For the record, anyone who tries to claim Sonic 06 has the potential to be a good game with no glitches is wrong. Sonic 06 is terrible all in all. Bad voice acting, bad art direction, bad graphics, terrible story, dumb characters, and sterile hub world environments. Everything about Sonic 2006 is just awful. There's no point in re-creating it, just make a new game that is Classic Sonic and not a remake of an awful Modern Sonic game.
07-27-2015, 11:28 PM
Kogen
Remakes of games like Sonic 1, 2, 3, or CD in 3D is a way better idea, or even the GG games as remakes to be like the MD games.
3D Blast, Sonic R, and Sonic Adventure would be cool remakes as well.
Or just make a real Sonic 4 (or 5 now I guess) or actually finish Xtreme.
07-27-2015, 11:47 PM
SperglordLava
They could re-create Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles in full 3D and next gen graphics and put them all in the same game flowing in order, and add cut scenes. They could even throw the 8-bit platformers in between there were they fit too. They could re-release 3D Blast on PC and enhance the graphics of the Saturn version, add an option to choose between both the Genesis and Saturn soundtracks, add Super Sonic, and improve the controls. Seeing Sonic X-Treme get re-created and released after all these years would be interesting as well. I'm surprised Sonic Team hasn't thought of that yet. If only crybaby Naka didn't whine about them using his engine, then maybe X-Treme would have been released and Sonic wouldn't have turned autistic. They should have just let the manchild quit.
07-27-2015, 11:54 PM
negative chill
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Originally Posted by SperglordLava
For the record, anyone who tries to claim Sonic 06 has the potential to be a good game with no glitches is wrong
The only thing that Sonic 06 has going for it is that for it's time, it looked pretty damned good. But at the end of the day, it's just an attractive hooker with a kajillion stds that no one sober wants to sleep with
07-27-2015, 11:58 PM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by negative chill
The only thing that Sonic 06 has going for it is that for it's time, it looked pretty damned good. But at the end of the day, it's just an attractive hooker with a kajillion stds that no one sober wants to sleep with
I remember I got it and showed it to my friend new. He just said 'It's all graphics but no gameplay' after he beat the first level.
After that we just played Gears instead.
07-28-2015, 12:00 AM
Kogen
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Originally Posted by SperglordLava
They could re-create Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles in full 3D and next gen graphics and put them all in the same game flowing in order, and add cut scenes. They could even throw the 8-bit platformers in between there were they fit too. They could re-release 3D Blast on PC and enhance the graphics of the Saturn version, add an option to choose between both the Genesis and Saturn soundtracks, add Super Sonic, and improve the controls. Seeing Sonic X-Treme get re-created and released after all these years would be interesting as well. I'm surprised Sonic Team hasn't thought of that yet. If only crybaby Naka didn't whine about them using his engine, then maybe X-Treme would have been released and Sonic wouldn't have turned autistic. They should have just let the manchild quit.
All of Sonic Team basically quit in 2006. Iizuka and co do not really know much about Sonic. That is why the games are no good. SEGA needs to get new staff.
07-28-2015, 12:01 AM
SperglordLava
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Originally Posted by Kogen
All of Sonic Team basically quit in 2006. Iizuka and co do not really know much about Sonic. That is why the games are no good. SEGA needs to get new staff.
The old staff only left because they saw Sonic was failing and wanted to do other things. They should just get them back and make Classic Sonic. Even the original developers don't like Modern Sonic much.
07-28-2015, 12:47 AM
TrekkiesUnite118
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Originally Posted by Kogen
Because it is portable and most people own tablets these days. Get with the times. They would also make for great digital downloads on Steam and consoles. Features like widescreen, more character support, and online play are nice too. Most people do not have an Everdrive, or even a Mega Drive in 2015.
Then play the better versions on your DS, 3DS, PSP and PS Vita then? Smartphones are terrible for games like that. Again, I'm not saying I'm against those releases entirely. I just don't see why we can't have both new games for the rest of us and ports for people like you who are stuck in the past. Sorry, but after buying Sonic 1, 2, 3, CD, and Knuckles for my Genesis, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Gamecube, DS, 3DS, PSP, and Steam Library I think I've hit my limit for how much I can get hyped about a new port of a game I've technically bought 8 times by now.
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You can get controllers for tablets.
Woo? Or I could just play them on my Genesis or Saturn and be happy?
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Originally Posted by Kogen
You might want to throw your Mega Drive out and get a PS4, then. Do you realise how foolish this sounds in a retro gaming community?
I think you might want to have your brain examined. You're completely incapable of comprehending basic English it seems. Not once did I say retro gaming sucks, which you stupidly keep thinking I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sega shouldn't stop making new Sonic games and just keep regurgitating ports of their old games. That's already getting stale at this point.
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Also please quote me where I said 'never make a new Sonic game!'. Because guess what? I suggested they make a real Sonic 4 and Xtreme, two new games.
Let's really look at Sonic Xtreme. Yeah it's great we can now play it and see what it was like. But we can now finally confirmed it was a horribly designed mess. The game plays like crap and is just a hodgepodge of bad ideas. As much as I hate to admit it, it's a good thing it was cancelled. A modern take on it was already tried by the way, Sonic Lost World. A game I find enjoyable, but you apparently hate.
As for Sonic 4, that game was made to pander directly towards Sonic fans like yourself. It's just spoon feeding you nostalgia. I really don't see how remaking it would make it any better. The game stands as evidence that the extreme classic Sonic fanbase will never be happy with any new title. And again, you're not asking for a new title here. You're asking for a remake and a release of a cancelled game. You are again staying firmly planted in the past.
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Originally Posted by Kogen
Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Unleashed Wii, Sonic Colours, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric are making the rest of us suffer. Are you seriously going to suggest these are good games? (You can like a few, but most of them?)
DX was a mess because of the new bugs introduced in the porting process. The original Dreamcast game, Sonic Adventure, was great though. Sonic Heroes was good too. Shadow is a decent game, but I don't count it as a Sonic game, just as I don't count Luigi's Mansion as a Mario game. Sonic 2006 is a broken mess, mostly because it was rushed out the door with most ideas being scrapped or poorly implemented.
The Story book games were ok for what they were, not great, not bad though. Unleashed (both versions), Colors, and Generations were all great titles though. They looked great, played great, and were fun. They took the game back to what people wanted, a good balance of speed and platforming with Sonic as the only playable character. Again the fact you still weren't happy with these is evidence you will never be satisfied with a new Sonic game.
Sonic Lost World is a good game on it's own, it's just not the Generations 2 everyone was expecting. Overall though I'd say it's a decent title. Sonic Boom though was a messy TV game made by an incompetent western development team. And that's after Sonic Team stepped in at the last minute to try and undo some of the damage that team was doing.
Again, the only truly awful modern sonic games were 2006, and Rise of Lyric. The rest all ranged from good to excellent.
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Most people hate these games and they are making SEGA and Sonic seem like a pathetic joke. Classic Sonic is beloved in contrast. Sonic Generations sold due to Classic Sonic, Lost World and Boom failed due to modern Sonic.
No, only the extremely loud, obnoxious, vocal minority that you are a part of hate those games. Lost World and Boom failed due to the Wii U's poor sales. Look at Sonic 2006, Unleashed, Colors, and Generations sales. They all sold well regardless of how you and others felt.
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Originally Posted by Kogen
Sonic 06 sucks plain and simple. Only a fanboy would think that game is good. SEGA pulled it, along with Unleashed, a few years back.
They pulled those titles because they had too many Sonic titles on the market, not due to quality. There's quite a few that were removed even though they had good scores.
I agree in it's released state Sonic 2006 sucked. But I'd imagine if Sonic Team was given more time to finish it could have been better. The game wasn't perfect by any means, but as I said, it did have it's moments where you could see it had potential to be something better if more time was given to polish it up.
07-28-2015, 01:16 AM
Kogen
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Then play the better versions on your DS, 3DS, PSP and PS Vita then? Smartphones are terrible for games like that. Again, I'm not saying I'm against those releases entirely. I just don't see why we can't have both new games for the rest of us and ports for people like you who are stuck in the past. Sorry, but after buying Sonic 1, 2, 3, CD, and Knuckles for my Genesis, Sega CD, Sega Saturn, Gamecube, DS, 3DS, PSP, and Steam Library I think I've hit my limit for how much I can get hyped about a new port of a game I've technically bought 8 times by now.
What part of tablet confuses you? DS and PSP are old, no one owns a Vita, and 3DS lacks Sonic CD. Plus not everyone has a 3DS either, tablets are more popular than 3DS still.
Also Sonic 1/2 on DS and PSP suck, especially the DS versions. I own it and it is awful.
Not everyone is you, also. Some people only played them back in the day 20+ years ago. I will repeat, at no point did I say never release new games, stop lying about me. That is so pathetic that you need to make up stories to justify you anti-Sonic 3 Remastered attitude.
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Woo? Or I could just play them on my Genesis or Saturn and be happy?
Consoles from 1989 and 1994 that most people do not have hooked up and are not portable (Nomad aside).
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I think you might want to have your brain examined. You're completely incapable of comprehending basic English it seems. Not once did I say retro gaming sucks, which you stupidly keep thinking I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sega shouldn't stop making new Sonic games and just keep regurgitating ports of their old games. That's already getting stale at this point.
I am quite fine with my English skills. You filling a diaper changes nothing. SEGA can re-release old games and make new games at the same time. Taxman is very talented and a great developer for SEGA. I am glad we have people like him pushing MD games forward instead of you wanting to hold them back.
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Let's really look at Sonic Xtreme. Yeah it's great we can now play it and see what it was like. But we can now finally confirmed it was a horribly designed mess. The game plays like crap and is just a hodgepodge of bad ideas. As much as I hate to admit it, it's a good thing it was cancelled. A modern take on it was already tried by the way, Sonic Lost World. A game I find enjoyable, but you apparently hate.
It was an alpha of a game. Do I seriously need to explain to you what an unfinished game is?
Lost World is not Sonic Xtreme, what are you smoking? That is an entirely different game. Also it sucks and sold bad.
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As for Sonic 4, that game was made to pander directly towards Sonic fans like yourself. It's just spoon feeding you nostalgia. I really don't see how remaking it would make it any better. The game stands as evidence that the extreme classic Sonic fanbase will never be happy with any new title. And again, you're not asking for a new title here. You're asking for a remake and a release of a cancelled game. You are again staying firmly planted in the past.
Now you are trying to put your lying-cruddy opinions in my mouth. I never said I wanted 'modern Sonic 4' in my life and hate that game. Please speak for yourself. Again this is pathetic that you have to lie. I want a real Sonic 4, a true sequel to Sonic 3/K on MD.
Most normal human being gamers hate modern Sonic, as seen by critic and fan reviews, SEGA's president's comments, and poor sales. You sir are a modern Sonic fanboy.
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DX was a mess because of the new bugs introduced in the porting process. The original Dreamcast game, Sonic Adventure, was great though. Sonic Heroes was good too. Shadow is a decent game, but I don't count it as a Sonic game, just as I don't count Luigi's Mansion as a Mario game. Sonic 2006 is a broken mess, mostly because it was rushed out the door with most ideas being scrapped or poorly implemented.
DX is based on the 1998 version instead of the 1999 version. I have no idea why they did this. The new graphics are ugly, too.
Sonic Heroes and Shadow both suck, especially Shadow. I saw on Amazon.com reviews that parents were upset 'my child's game has swearing in it, on Christmas day!'. What an offensive thing to do to families.
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The Story book games were ok for what they were, not great, not bad though. Unleashed (both versions), Colors, and Generations were all great titles though. They looked great, played great, and were fun. They took the game back to what people wanted, a good balance of speed and platforming with Sonic as the only playable character. Again the fact you still weren't happy with these is evidence you will never be satisfied with a new Sonic game.
Black Knight sold horribly and they had to cancel the Storybook series.
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Sonic Lost World is a good game on it's own, it's just not the Generations 2 everyone was expecting. Overall though I'd say it's a decent title. Sonic Boom though was a messy TV game made by an incompetent western development team. And that's after Sonic Team stepped in at the last minute to try and undo some of the damage that team was doing.
Then why did it sell so bad? I played both demos and hated it. The graphics were so bad.
Look how ugly Lost World is compared to Classic Sonic Generations.
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Again, the only truly awful modern sonic games were 2006, and Rise of Lyric. The rest all ranged from good to excellent.
Then why did SEGA remove Sonic Unleashed from the marketplace (with 06) and cancel the storybook series?
SEGA agrees with me, apparently.
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No, only the extremely loud, obnoxious, vocal minority that you are a part of hate those games. Lost World and Boom failed due to the Wii U's poor sales. Look at Sonic 2006, Unleashed, Colors, and Generations sales. They all sold well regardless of how you and others felt.
06 never sold that well, and Generations and Colours did better than Unleashed. Only the latter two are considered a success by SEGA. Colours' sequel Lost World has failed. They should just make Generations 2 and do it right.
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They pulled those titles because they had too many Sonic titles on the market, not due to quality. There's quite a few that were removed even though they had good scores.
Nope. They said it was due to Metacritic scores from critics and fans. SEGA's words, not mine.
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I agree in it's released state Sonic 2006 sucked. But I'd imagine if Sonic Team was given more time to finish it could have been better. The game wasn't perfect by any means, but as I said, it did have it's moments where you could see it had potential to be something better if more time was given to polish it up.
Shadow and Silver, 2/3 of the game, were both awful and would never be good. At best 1/3 of the game would be good, a 3/10 review score.
07-28-2015, 02:20 AM
SperglordLava
Sonic X-Treme's cancellation caused Sonic Adventure, which caused Modern Sonic, which caused Sonic's death. How do you even know that X-Treme plays like shit if you haven't played it? It never even came out, and what was shown of the game is a moot point because it was still in development. As Kogen said, Lost World is nothing like X-Treme, and sucks. Sonic X-Treme was a cool idea. It had good graphics, level themes, and characters. It looks like it would have been better than Sonic Lost Cause, and probably would have sold millions more.
