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ah and here the monkey comes out of the sleeve, it's all about the money again :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by miked
if you don't want to spend any money then stop doing any hobbies. I hate these people who 'want to sit on the front row for a quarter'.
^You should have your penis VGA graded. It's probably not doing you much good, and if it was sealed in plastic it would at least spare Europe the financial burden of your failspawn.
These games wouldn't be anywhere as expensive if we didn't have collectors trying to hog all those cartridges for the sake of collecting. Given how ridiculous the situation has gotten these days, it's not hard to see why somebody may be angry about it >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
Gotta start looking into bootlegs I guess.
do you have any evidenced figures of how many collectors are just collecting and not playing games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sik
There is a fine line between yearning and pure envy. Sik, that's just green attitude, dude. In the early years (I should say early 2000s) when collecting retro games was still affordable and not yet a widely-known hobby, I remember how everyone just wanted to raise as much awareness on the subject as possible. More awareness meant more exposure, more items popping on eBay, more entrepreneurs willing to go or expand into the used games market outside GameStop, more people listing ads, more knowledge being served on the web, etc. With the years, the 10 year olds who played retro games in the 80s and 90s reached their late 20s and 30s and could now afford more games. Those who were always passionate about gaming got back into the hobby. More folks joined in also. More people means more demand. You can't have the cake and eat it, too. ;)
Your words say "collecting for the sake of collecting", but what you are sounding like is "hating on collecting for the sake of hating on collecting". I think you're bigger than that.
Personally I only collect the games I'd love to play, I don't even mind reprinting the damaged labels or covers,
and even replacing the cardboard boxes with plastic shells with sleeves designed by me as accurately as possible. I just don't care as far as they look like original ones.
But I don't sell this games I just enjoy playing them, I have no goals of collecting all of the Genesis/MD/MDJP games, nor I don't own most(not all) of the rare ones cuz generally I don't like those games lol.
I don't really get what's the point of collecting a sealed game(Unless u're an official preservation agency or a collector who will eventually resell it).
I'd gladly buy a sealed game for cheap and open it to play, I'm taking care of my stuff anyway so I don't need them to be sealed.
p.s. Sealed collectors don't piss me off that's for sure. Everyone is free to collect any game in any condition whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by bultje112
The concept itself doesn't bother me, but what does bother me is when someone collects multiple copies of rare and hard to find games, and never has any intention of doing anything but sitting there looking at it on a shelf.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxnoodles
These are games others may have wanted to own or play for a long time, and instead they are just sitting there on a shelf doing nothing.
^I highly doubt there is a single person in the world who buys multiple sealed copies of a game just to sit on a shelf and look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EclecticGroove
There are Intellivision collectors who do. Granted, they're often collecting every variant of a game, or holding on to copies as potential trade bait. But there are definitely collectors who have bought cases of sealed Mattel games and held on to them, and others who have multiple copies of super-rare titles for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
On the 3DO end of things, there's at least one collector whose massive 3DO collection includes 5+ sealed copies of certain games.
Yeah but, see, that's my point. They all have these multiple sealed copies for one reason or another other than just sitting on a shelf as shelf candy. There are collectors for variants. There are those who want to sit on them until their resale value goes up, etc. Don't get me wrong, though. The concept of hogging-up games just for bragging rights is fucking shitty. I just highly doubt that bragging rights is the single reason anybody would do this out there. Outside of variants or people who collect CIB + Loose or Sealed + CIB, etc., more than one copy of a game doesn't just sit there as shelf candy.
P.S.> Also, it's a bit presumptuous to asume a person's true interests. And in many cases I've seen, downright envious.
Fair enough, but whatever the motivation may be, the consequence is often much the same: games taken out of circulation and never played. I don't necessarily see hoarding games for "bragging rights" as any less shitty than hoarding them to try to jack the price up.
BTW speaking of which, there have also been some attempts at market manipulation by a few sellers who bought up every available copy (or as many of them as possible) of one or more games and then tried to corner the market on them, with mixed results. There are a couple people on NintendoAge who have copped to that, in their case more as a social experiment than as an attempt at profit.
We've certainly seen that behavior in the homebrew market, where many people have gotten in the habit of buying multiple copies in order to resell them later after the "limited edition" has run out. As long as there are enough copies at the time of sale for everyone who wants one, that's sort of OK, since it can supply the homebrew publisher with extra capital upfront.
But if not, and some people want a copy and can't get one because Person X bought ten copies and plans to sell them at a 200% markup, then it starts to look a lot like ticket scalping, i.e. someone who acts as a middleman but adds no value whatsoever. At least resellers who go to yard sales, flea markets, thrift stores, etc. add the value of their effort in finding the games in the first place.
Granted. I actually agree with what you're saying. However, there's one thing I despise more than the attitude of scummy scalpers; and that is the action of the company itself trying to create artificial demand. Take the NES Classic Mini, for instance. It is, to date, the most transparent scummy marketing scheme I've yet seen a first party do. They created the hype, lied about their intentions to fulfill demand, and are now closing down shop on the matter as we speak; leaving tons of potential buyers, including myself, still looking for one. In the end, they did not give a shit if they were mostly feeding the troll scalpers with their scheme. Their only intention was to drive up demand for their upcoming Switch. And even their extremely low Switch production (2 Million worldwide) attests to that.
At the end of the day, I can never take it out on resellers. They're the ones who made the initial contribution of which I first spoke about regarding early auctions on eBay and the opening of new used games stores in the early days (early 2000s). I've actually always found them to be, for the most part, a great service to me personally as a gamer and a collector of retro games.
P.S.> It's that minority amongst them that we continue to despise overall, though. The kind that are solely there for profit. Those I tend to disergard altogether. I don't need to pay attention to a $20,000 copy of Sonic 2, if you know what I mean. ;)
here in netherlands switch is still readily available for launch in all shops because nobody gives a fuck
So what you're saying, is that in America people are pretty dumb for falling into Nintendo's hype machine again.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112