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Yeah, I think that's really the only thing keeping it alive and in the top 5 constantly on charts. Being free. You can probably play it on Vista or maybe XP (if it's possible) and it would run fine.
I find Team Fortress 2 to be overrated, Fun, but overrated.
I loved the GC and the oXbox. I actually got both of them before I ever got a PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
The Wii-U I was hoping for more solid support from Nintendo before they dragged it out back and shot it... but they didn't. BotW is a great looking game for it... but it's also a switch game, and not even a "eventually coming to switch" game... it was/is being sold as a switch game first and foremost, with the Wii-U version being a fart on the wind... it was clear it was an afterthought. I'd imagine if it hadn't already been so far along in development we might not have even seen its release on the Wii-U at all.
Again, some good wii-u games out there without a doubt. But only a handful are appealing to me, with much of the promise being "games to come" that never did, or shifted their gears mostly to the switch.
My main concern for the switch is that it's not substantially different than the wii-u.
People may say it is something very different... but it's not. It's still a much more limited system, with a proprietary game format (again), and a quirky configuration. Are the specific details different? Of course.
But it's not substantially different than the wii or wii-u... and I don't see it really going any differently than either of those systems.
That's understandable. And your choices of consoles can never be wrong. It's what you want. You draw from nostalgia and your sense of what best suits your gameplay needs at the time. I enjoy conversing with folks like you because you can give me that perspective that was different from my own with each gen. I find it interesting to learn what drives people not only into gaming, but in their choices of games and consoles. And, again, not bashing you at all for not having the same receptiveness to that "special" allure of the Wii U. At the end of the day, you're not saying things like "I don't care for the good games on the Wii U". You're more like saying the same exact thing I used to say about the Gamecube back in the day in the vein of "perhaps I can just wait it out. Not that many exclusives as it is, and those that exist, are already getting re-released in later Nintendo systems".
But, btw, I played the entire BotW on the Wii U, which puts me on that minority list, and I can safely say that it was most definitely not an "afterthought". It was the intended version from the start. It looks gorgeous and plays flawlessly. In fact, having finished it makes me think it is the definitive version of the two. But I won't sign-off on that just yet until I play the Switch version on my own. I only say this based on the use of the Wii U gamepad utilizing all the gizmos the game takes advantage of without loosing track of the screen. Also, the number of glitches and framerate issues and tearing related by youtubers and forum users regarding the Switch version have far exceeded those of the Wii U.
Anyways, the reason I point out your Wii U BotW comment is that, funnily enough, I have used it as my anchor to draw out my choice in getting vs. not getting a Switch. I find the game was excellent on the Wii U (still got it for the Switch also, though ;)), so I just don't see the need to get a Switch just for that. And until I see this amazing Switch exclusive that is not in any other system (again, must be "amazing"), including the Wii U or any of the previous Nintendo consoles, I just can't justify myself getting a Switch just yet. But I do have high hopes for it, though. One thing I love about it, just like I did the Wii U (and the Wii before that) is that, compared to it's generational counterparts, it doesn't emphasize patches or DLCs as much. Hopefully this remains true for the Switch, albeit the BotW DLC (which we also got for the Wii U).
Huh? BOTW already had a few patches not to mention the DLC package. Nintendo must embrace the DLC attitude more than ever and I think it made a good choice by offering it for BOTW that will ensure interest for months to come.
A lot of Wii U games already have had patches, yes. It won't be a deal-breaker for me; so if they continue down that road with the Switch, I'm not against it. I would embrace it just like I did these last two gens. But I would love it if there was still some semblance of having all the content in one cartridge as with most of Nintendo's products to date. 'Just finished a gaming session on the 3DS and it was o' so sweet to just grab that cartridge, put it in the slot, and play immediately without the system prompting me with the usual: "sorry, you don't have the latest version yet" or, worse, "insert payment option to unlock this feature". I know it's become customary nowadays. But if there is one system that at least won't shove this kind of stuff in your face as much as the rest, I'd say that's a plus in my book.
^ With Breath of the Wild on the Wii U, I really don't see a compelling reason to get the switch. Practically every game that I've seen already exists on another platform with the Switch version usually being the worst version. Most of its titles at the moment are digital only and subject to Nintendo's anti-consumer policies (though rumor is they will fix that... we'll see) of locking down content to one console, and there is no way to transfer digital purchases.
Nintendo is currently hyping indies, but the PS4 and Xbone aren't slouching in those areas either. Plus, with companies like Limited Run getting physical copies out there, I'm pretty content with Sony's offering this generation.
^Yup. My thoughts exactly.
You two are in the minority considering the Switch version has absolutely decimated the Wii U version in sales which also translated into hardware sales. The LOW sales numbers for the Wii U version speak volumes.
After yesterday's Direct, Nintendo showed a few interesting tidbits. Splatoon 2 and Arms both have release dates. Obviously this was just a morsel until E3 but it was better than some of these presentations in recent memory.
Edit: Maybe, just maybe Zelda would have produced Wii U hardware sales IF you could have walked into a store and purchased a new console.
BotW on the U was absolutely an afterthought. Look at it's release, it was all Switch. There were still people who weren't even sure it was coming out on the Wii-U at all until they happened to walk into a store and see it on shelves. They released it for the Switch as a big name title, the WiiU version was simply unceremoniously plopped onto shelves with no fanfare or announcements whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
It's certainly viable on the Wii-U, but while it was a big name game... it was only one of the Games I was hoping for to come out (and hoped to be appealing).
That it is also on the Switch is not, in and of itself, a big deal. But the fact that the Wii-U is effectively dead at this point is a concern. I was anticipating a lot more coming out for it in general (even if just from Nintendo), and at least another full year of support and associated releases.
That sours me on the system more than say, the DC, which I was more disappointed in the drop of support than annoyed, and they also released a TON of absolutely quality games on the system as well.
^While I wouldn't use the word "afterthought" personally in terms of product quality (which is what we were talking about), as it was originally developed for the Wii U, I would agree that the marketing and final release of the Wii U version was indeed so.
@JCU: I don't think the Switch sales of BotW translate to product quality. We all saw that coming. Not sure why anybody would be surprised that Switch version sold way more than the Wii U version.
Some of you seem to think there isn't a reason to purchase a Switch since it (BOTW) is available on the Wii U with a larger library. Apparently the masses think otherwise and considering the predecessor sold close to 14 million pieces of hardware, one would expect better sales for the one and only game that owners have been awaiting for years. Even Zelda can't make the Wii U respectable.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
I don't know who those people are. Me? I'm not that 2-Dimensional. I have dozens more reasons why I haven't yet purchased my Switch. Keyword: yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
It's a bit too early to call out what the masses think, don't you think? 2 million is still 12 million shy of 14 ;). For now, we've still yet to see what sticks.Quote:
Apparently the masses think otherwise and considering the predecessor sold close to 14 million pieces of hardware, one would expect better sales for the one and only game that owners have been awaiting for years...
P.S.> I don't know about your Wii U, but my Wii U was highly respected in my game room before Zelda: BotW came out; and all the more respected now that it has been graced by it. ;)Quote:
...Even Zelda can't make the Wii U respectable.
Switch version sold way more? News to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
I've zero reason to buy a Switch yet. I already have BotW so there's nothing else out yet that makes me want to buy it even tho the Secret of Mana collection got me seriously interested. If that gets a U.S. release date then yeah I'm in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
^That's pretty much my stance on the matter. I'm also stoked about the upcoming RPGs. But they haven't cranked those out yet.
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Wii U is also my Wii, so I have a giant stack of great games to play, including BotW.
For Switch, I'm waiting for the games, or if Super Mario GTA blows me away.
On the previous page you agreed with someone who doesn't find the Switch compelling since BOTW is on the Wii U.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
Don't mistake this discussion for one about hardware sales. This is about the smaller base completely destroying sales of the same title on a console with 14 million owners (at some point TBH). Such a response is proof to me how people want to forget about the predecessor to the Switch. Nintendo releases a game on a console that has been off the market for months! Talk about standing behind your product.
Hours before UPS delivered my Switch on 3/4/17 I was happily packing away my Wii U knowing full well I would not be opening it for a very long time and I dislike the console so much that I've even pondered ebay-ing it so I can see what I can get for a well taken care of console with quite a few digital games. The Wii U was the Freddie Kruger to the Elm Street kids. Besides being more technologically advanced over the Wii, it couldn't come close to that "GCN 2.5" as we've heard. Bury it with E.T.
Sounds like you just detest the Wii U. You won't sell me on your views, just like I won't sell you on mine. Agree to disagree.
Me? I'm keeping all of my systems connected right where they are. Thank you very much.
The best thing about the Wii U is that Cemu exists and you don't need to put money into Nintendo.
The best thing about the Switch is that it's just an Nvidia Tegra X1 system on a chip, so it will probably be hacked to side load Android & Shield features, or work the other way and get it's games cracked to run on the Shield TV, a more robust piece of gaming hardware for the price in most docked use cases.
Breath of the Wild isn't all it's cracked up to be. Nintendo needs to fuck off out of hardware and go 3rd party already.
Sounds like all your gaming needs will be satisfied just fine with a computer ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
That person being me. Yes, he and I agree that there are no compelling reasons for *us* to get a switch atm. Not just because of BOTW, but because most of the stuff that's out currently is ported from elsewhere, and either slightly better or worse. We also prefer physical releases, and there aren't a ton currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
Sounds interesting. Can you share your source for the sales numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
Wow. I don't know what the Wii U did to you, but you really hate it. Any particular reason why?Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
This. Then again, I have everything from the NES to the PS4 hooked up in multiple places in my home. I rarely get rid of old systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
A regular Kojak! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
Nintendo made a blunder of epic proportions with the console and I eagerly await the book that is sure to come out one day which chronicles the follies. Reggie was a bullshitter in his attempt at pushing this piece of hardware. The support (1st nor 3rd) did not transpire and at he end of the day that is what will push a console. People grew wise to his nonsense. At least Nintendo took a different approach with the Switch and did in fact have a media blitz and a killer app at launch. Neither of those were given to the Wii U.
the switch has sold 2 million units. pretty much the same amount the wii-u sold in it's first 6 weeks. not exactly amazing since nintendrones would buy a turd as long as it was dressed like a plumberQuote:
Originally Posted by JCU
the switch will be just as much a blunder as the wii u.Quote:
Originally Posted by JCU
I have a Switch already. It's fucking garbage.
Expensive games, expensive peripherals that feel like junk, 20 frames per second game dips.
I hope more games come out to it, but I would feel better if it gets hacked and pirated to death, spiraling into a Dreamcast situation.
Nintendo has been trying to blatantly nickel and dime people for over a decade, and the game drought is in full effect yet again. It's time for them to get out of hardware for good.
Zelda BotW praise is Nintendocore insanity at it's finest.
Your weapons break every time you use them. The Master Sword shatters and cools down. You constantly need to stop and re-equip Link. There are no dungeons in the game. 120 shrines that are for the most part just small, one-room puzzles. You run around lighting towers to fill out your map, like every other "Open World" game you grind through. The music is the same barely-there piano tracks all over the place.
The gameplay is basically a cycle of running/gliding/warping around the big map, lighting up towers like Shadow of Mordor, trying to find shrines. Grinding up enough orbs to trade in for 1/4 hearts to pull the Master Sword, which breaks on normal enemies after a few uses, but totally overpowers Ganon and all his Ganon-like mini-bosses.
You tank a few hits from random monsters, get your ass kicked, pause the game to rearm yourself with a new breaking weapon and eat a bunch of random food you need to craft into meals.
Link is basically DPS role trying to tank, and he needs to pause to self heal. If you get better at this stupid game, and figure out how to properly time a dodge then you just auto-pilot into the counter-attack flurry animation it offers to you in bullet-time slowdown... shattering your current sword/spear/axe/stick.
^This, plus many more things for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by avlon
[EDIT] Darn it! I must spread some b4 giving rep again.
For a PC Master Race Elitist who constantly bashes console gaming, you sure seem to buy a lot of consoles. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
I'm not bashing console gaming. I'm bashing Nintendo for releasing shit consoles, again.
Nintendo claimed 2 million consoles would be available at launch. Six weeks is what it took to sell 2 million when the first week was listed as 1.5 million? April 27th will make speculation right or wrong. Making it even more stinky is how Nintendo quickly downgraded anticipated Wii U sales many times over while the opposite seems true for the Switch leading an increase in production. Pro Nintendo websites show just how bad the Wii U performed even benefiting with a holiday launch. Watching TBS this evening and what did I see? On air was a Switch commercial that focused on MK8D and 1-2 Switch. That might not sound important but the amount of Wii U commercials I saw during its time could be counted on one hand even if I was missing a digit.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
keep buying nintendo consoles just to bitch about them brehs
also whine about breakable weapons in a game literally built around them
BOTW lacks dungeons and shrines are just one room puzzles? I guess "from a certain point of view" it might not be a complete lie.
As far as I'm concerned, it's an Nvidia Tegra hardware kit just waiting for a crack. The easy docking transition will make homebrew potential more interesting. There's nothing I want to see happen more, than Nintendo games pirated and patched for use on the Shield TV platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishNinja
I am willing to put my money into that happening, if the result is Nintendo being brought to it's knees. Time for 3rd party or acquisitions. No more of this $80 controller bullshit.
Zelda shouldn't be built around breakable weapons, and that's the point. Breakable weapons would be OK if they didn't break every time they're used here. There is no balance and they shoehorn you into crafting meals to spam, because Link is all DPS trying to be a tank. You pause the gameplay to rearm & heal every fight. The shrines all look the same, and they're all mostly 1 room. A handful are like 2 or 3 sections you work your way through. Nothing like elaborate, traditional Zelda dungeons. They turned it into a loot RPG with bad inventory limitations.
shrines do not equal dungeons; those come later
also: hoo doogie if you really buy nintendo consoles and want to see them drop off, i don't even know where to start with that. they're clearly not going anywhere, and the portability of this system makes it infinitely more interesting than a shield, but to each their own
why do all the crazies have strider avatars :p
they don't break every time they're used, only the piss poor ones you start out near like pieces of trees & such. i usually have more weapons than i have slots for them, and plan accordingly, since the game gives you so very many options via bow, your abilities (magnetism, bombs etc), environment & the like...again, it's how it's built/balanced. there's many weapons (elemental ones, ones stronger than the master sword at its peak, etc) that would absolutely break the game without said balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
also if you're healing after every single encounter, you either gotta avoid them more or git gud, cause you're dong something wrong man.
^Someone rep IrishNinja for me, cuz I must spread some b4 I can.
The weapons never were an issue for me either. Neither were the awesome shrine puzzles or the amazing, huge moving dungeons in the game. Seriously, though, what more semblance of a dungeon does one require? Does it have to have a huge sign that says "Enter Dungeon" or something? The game graces you with 120 super fun mini puzzler dungeons, four amazing main puzzler dungeons, and another assortment of semi-secret dungeons to explore. You get a humongous maze dungeon as an aside. A humongous island puzzle. There are just so many treats and nooks and crannies to explore, that I can't even fathom the notion that there might even exist the argument that dungeons are missing in this game. I'm not going to say this is a 10/10 game. I never have. But, darn it, if it's not at least a solid 9-9.5/10.
I 100% and holeheartedly agree with IrishNinja here. If you're dying that often, then change your method asap. I never had the same complaint as other folks about guardians killing you too often or weapons breaking leaving me helpless and whatnot. I played the game myself and I've played plenty of the sort b4. This is not the first game where you're going to encounter seemingly impossible enemies at first; only to make them a 1 to 2 hit kill with just the right weapons later on. The first guardian was a bitch to me, once! The second one took a lot of health from me, but I got out of the fucking way like the many many games I have played before. And the third one was literally my bitch with regular arrows right in the peeper after the very game taught me to make it my bitch. Guess how much fun I had with the ancient arrows after that.
As for limited-use weapons, again, not the first critically-acclaimed game that makes use of this. That someone doesn't like this? Fine. It's anyone's prerogative to enjoy what they want. It doesn't make it a bad design. Especially in this game where all you have to do is pick-up every single weapon that falls from an enemy. Or even find them as crate loot or even just lying around. I had more trouble not being able to carry enough awesome weapons than I did having them break on me. I never once had a problem with this. It's the design of the game. Not even in that island deep in the game where you're literally stranded, stripped naked and have to literally build-up your arsenal from scratch. All you have to do is pay a little attention to where to find those better weapons, use them wisely and not like an entitled 10 year old who's used to breaking all his favorite toys bc he/she knows mommy and daddy will buy him/her new ones at his/her whim.
It's the same kind of attitude I hear folks online when referring to RPGs or other such games as too difficult. Unfair or unbalanced difficulty? That argument I could understand. But minutiae that could, otherwise, be bypassed by a simple, proverbial round of "getting your ass up and getting some due work done" b4 complaining? That's just cry-baby attitude at best. And entitled behaviour at worst. The way I see it, if I don't like the game, I say it straight-up: "I don't like the game". End of story. I move the fuck on. I don't play it. Period. 'Plenty of sports games and other types of games I fucking detest. I don't go about like a cry baby with arguments about their "supposed inferiority". I just don't fucking like some of them. But at least I respect them and even admit to how well-designed they are and how I can understand others enjoying them. How difficult can it possibly be to empathize here in sega-16? Or better yet, how difficult can it be to live and let live?
picks or I call bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
Best post ever !! Agree with everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Knuckle Duster
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Originally Posted by IrishNinja
They break far too often. All weapons in the game are piss poor, even the Master Sword. You need to re-arm after every encounter when using weapons. You are forced to pause the game and re-arm link. The only "Get good" angle to the game comes with parrying and countering, which still forces you to break your weapons and pause the gameplay. There is no repairing, so you're forced into an endless cycle of bad inventory management and junk hoarding, reliant on finding nuts.
It's a bad loot game with extremely low tolerances for item durability. If it wasn't "Zelda" it would be shit on by half of the industry as a game breaking flaw or deterrent from the start.
Hearts don't drop, so spamming food and healing buffs is how you survive when the game throws a random monster that can 1-shot link to death, into the mix of a bunch of similar looking weak enemies.
There are dungeons later? Where? The divine beasts are nothing but big shrine puzzles with a map control mechanic that lets you shift the environment around a bit. They all look the same. They're all like a "bigger" room than the typical shrines, and they're pathetic compared to any themed expectation of a "dungeon" in the classic 3D Zelda sense.
I also bought Super Bomberman R to relieve myself of the delusional "greatest Zelda ever" sessions, and that game is fucking cancer due to it's bad camera angle.
Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
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Originally Posted by QuickSciFi
The game isn't broken because of a learning curve. It's blatantly obvious that they design the game to trip you up and make you rely on alternative combat to traditional Zelda. This would be fine if later in the game you actually could attain strong weapons. The Master Sword and Knight's swords, Guardian weapons, etc. all shatter too quickly, and the rest of Links arsenal is disposable trash. Stating that "Fine. It's the game's design." is stating the obvious. Clearly you're enjoying the decline of this franchise into it's quagmire of "groundbreaking" change. Nobody gives a single fuck what you or I think about this game, and I don't expect them to.
Personally, I liked Zelda when it had diverse, elaborate dungeons. It's one of the core staples of the franchise, and would have complimented this open world game. The lack of hand holding or a clear direction is welcome, but they dropped the ball by gutting dungeons, making it a loot/crafting experiment, and shattering your equipment all the time. That's where the balance issues come into it. The game is fundamentally designed to make you pause everything and fight with pile of garbage gear drops. Throw in the exploration fetch questing for nuts that grow your inventory, so you can actually hold more gear, and the carrot & stick punishment becomes abundantly clear here.
There's no music, enemy, NPC, shrine/beast diversity. The game is above average and full of good ideas, but shits all over what it could have potentially been, just like Skyward Sword did before it.
Give it time, it's almost like the Sonic cycle. After a few years, people will shake off the hype and realize how poor or critically flawed the game actually is.
I wouldn't own a Wii U. I would rather put my money into Cemu.Quote:
Originally Posted by bultje112
I bought a Switch for (disappointing) Zelda, Super Bomberman R, Puyo Puyo Tetris, and Xenoblade 2. Mario Odyssey and Octopath Traveller made the decision to pre-order the console easy enough. I'm a big fan of Dragon Quest so I might pick that up when it comes out.
I'm still hopeful that the system gets cracked so I can use it for more games. I sure won't buy the watered down multi-plats for it, or spare controllers.
I should say the tablet & kickstand tabletop mode of playing undocked with 2 joycons is absolutely ridiculous with the low-res 720p resolution. Bad execution due to screen size.
I am of the camp who also prefers 2D Zelda all the way (i.e.- A Link to the Past and all its variants and clones). A Link to the Past remains my favorite Zelda of all time. But BotW rose to a close second for me bc it's an excellent, engaging, super-fun game to play. Do I want for the 2D top-down Zelda formula to disappear alotgether? No way. It would be like the loss of the Metroidvania style Castlevanias. But that doesn't mean the last two 3D Castlevanias weren't amazing. I'm not preaching "change is good". I personally hate that stance myself, bc more often than not it's used by fanboys who instantly forget the awesomeness of the gameplay style they used to enjoy so much. In fact, I hope one day they would make another top down 2D Zelda (the last of which was A Link Between Worlds). But I definitely prefer this new Zelda to the confusion-ridden 3D Zeldas of before. I loved Ocarina of Time and enjoyed Majora's Mask; but there is no way I could've beaten them (or even come close to enjoying them) without extensive use of guides.
Which brings me to the point of some reviewers saying things like: "BotW is the least hand-holding Zelda of all time". When I heard them utter these or similar words, I just couldn't help but think "what were they smoking?". Either they've never actually finished a Zelda game, or are completely new to open world games. Because BotW is absolutely self-explanatory from beginning to end and one of the easiest Zeldas to play. I never once worried about its difficulty level or trying to find my way around or figure out what to do next. Try beating Majora's Mask or even Ocarina of Time with the same ease and flow. There's just no way. Heck, go back to the OG Zelda. Good luck with that one.
Other than that, I hope one day they make another 2D Zelda as well. I hope that sub-genre never dies; if at least in the form of games outside the Zelda universe. But if Zelda goes the 3D route again (and undoubtedly it will), I hope it's in the vein of BotW, because, even with all it's flaws as I too have acknowledged, it is the most refined 3D Zelda experience thus far. But, then again, that's just me stating my opinion.
P.S.> And on that note, here's to hoping for more 2D metroidvania style Castlevanias ;). Now, that one's going to be a long shot indeed. But at least we have Iga making a proper spiritual successor, and we can enjoy the slew of other similarly styled games in the mean time. But I digress.