What console have more arcade ports?

Here's the incomplete list of PC Engine arcade games that I put together:

1: 1943 Kai
2: Adventure Quiz Capcom World Hatena no Dai Bouken
3: Aero Blasters
4: After Burner II
5: Altered Beast
6: Armed F
7: Atomic Robo-Kid Special
8: Bikkuriman World
9: Bloody Wolf
10: Bonanza Brothers
11: Boxyboy
12: Bravoman
13: Buster Bros.
14: Cadash
15: Champion Wrestler
16: Chase H. Q.
17: Chiki Chiki Boys
18: Columns
19: Cotton
20: Cratermaze, Doraemon
21: Daisenpu, Daisenpu Custom
22: Darius Plus, Super Darius
23: Detana! Twin Bee
24: Don Doko Don
25: Dragon Saber
26: Dragon Spirit
27: F1 Dream
28: Fantasy Zone
29: Fighting Street
30: Final Lap Twin
31: Forgotten Worlds
32: Gain Ground SX
33: Galaga '88
34: Gradius
35: Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou
36: Hatris
37: Heavy Unit
38: Hellfire S
39: Hit The Ice
40: Horror Story
41: Nekketsu Kōkō Dodgeball Bu
42: Image Fight
43: Quest of Jongmaster
44: Kiki Kaikai
45: Klax
46: Kyuukyoku Tiger
47: Legend Of Hero Tonma
48: Martial Champions
49: Mr Heli No Dai Bouken
50: Mitsubachi Gakuen
51: Monster Lair Wonderboy III
52: New Zealand Story (The)
53: Ninja Spirit
54: Ninja Warriors
55: Operation Wolf
56: Ordyne
57: Out Run
58: P-47
59: Pac Land
60: Parodius Da!
61: Power Drift
62: Puyo Puyo CD
63: Puyo Puyo CD Tsu
64: R-Type, R-TYPE Complete CD, R-TYPE I, R-TYPE II
65: Rabio Lepus Special
66: Raiden, Super Raiden
67: Rainbow Islands
68: Rastan Saga II
69: S.C.I. - Special Criminal Investigation
70: Salamander
71: Shinobi
72: Sidearms, Sidearms Special
73: Space Harrier
74: Space Invaders The Original Game
75: Splatterhouse
76: Street Fighter II' - Champion Edition
77: Strider Hiryuu
78: Super Darius II
79: Takeda Shingen
80: Tatsujin
81: Tenchi O Kurau
82: Tenseiryu Saint Dragon
83: Thunder Blade
84: Tower of Druaga (The)
85: Valkyrie No Densetsu
86: Vigilante
87: Volfied
88: Wonder Momo
89: World Heroes 2
90: Xevious
91: Youkai Dochuki
92: Zero Wing
93: Zipang




SuperGrafx:

1941 Counter Attack
Daimakaimura



Based on arcade games:

Crest Of Wolf
Double Dragon II: The Revenge
Tiger Road
Marchen Maze
Ninja Gaiden

Barone, did you intentionally leave T-Mek off the 32X list? I haven't played either version enough to know how much the 32X game resembles the arcade.

Also not sure if you omitted the EA Marble Madness port for Genesis intentionally or not. (Same situation as Klax, though a much bigger quality difference.)

I personally favor including any game that's clearly trying to be a port (e.g. not NES Rygar), even if the internals are screwy or some levels are cut. Otherwise almost nothing from the pre-crash era would really qualify, since very few of those really play like the arcade versions. But, I respect your opinion.

There are also some arcade ports on Mega-LD. Time Gal and Road Avenger that I can think of. Of course those two are already on Sega-CD.

78 - SDI (Global Defense)
79 - Dynamite Dux
80 - Tennis Ace (Passing Shot).

No more game that i can list. No Korean included.

Black Tiger, good list. But i don't guess the CD games valid.

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Stuff like Atomic Runner, Cadash, Caliber .50, MegaTrax, ESWAT: City Under Siege, Super Monaco GP and Alien Storm are NOT arcade ports IMO. And I'd say the same about most of the 8-bit "ports" people are listing in this thread.

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I disagree about Eswat and Alien Storm because, i already said, there is console limitation in 8 bit case. (The Gorilla and Tiger are hardly imagined in sms - Genesis don't did it!). The game follow the arcade with missing levels. About Alien Storm i will see but i guess the same case.

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Originally Posted by segarule

Black Tiger, good list. But i don't guess the CD games valid.

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Well, it's the main format of the console, so I guess that most of its library doesn't count.

Not to knock your hard work, but I'd question Super Darius II being considered a port since it is entirely different from the original save for some reused sprites. Super Darius, despite being single-screen, almost mirrors the arcade's original stage layouts (and its "new" bosses were always intended to be in Darius but cut due to time/memory).

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Originally Posted by Furnessly

Sonic Wings Special could be 170 if I can find out the correct release date due to conflicting information (was Sonic Wings Limited the arcade version released at the same time July 1996 or 1997?).

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Comprehensive list, Furnessly! I should just add that I am doubtful Sonic Wings Special can be considered a port, because while graphics are shared between it and Limited, some of the stage layouts and bosses are different between versions. There are also more stages in Special, if I recall.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

Barone, did you intentionally leave T-Mek off the 32X list? I haven't played either version enough to know how much the 32X game resembles the arcade.

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Yes, I did.
32X's T-Mek is a travesty. Your vehicle doesn't handle the same, the AI is different, the speed is gone, the draw distance is gone and the rendering system is quite different - in the 32X version you lose the depth sensation for the most part.
The audio sensation provided by the arcade machine is also a great deal of what made T-Mek be T-Mek, and it's completely lost in the 32X version.
It looks the same at the first glance and that's all.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

Also not sure if you omitted the EA Marble Madness port for Genesis intentionally or not. (Same situation as Klax, though a much bigger quality difference.)

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That was intentional too. EA's version is a POS. The ball physics - which is one of the key feature of the original game - is completely botched, for an example.

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Originally Posted by goldenband

I personally favor including any game that's clearly trying to be a port (e.g. not NES Rygar), even if the internals are screwy or some levels are cut. Otherwise almost nothing from the pre-crash era would really qualify, since very few of those really play like the arcade versions. But, I respect your opinion.

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As long as I understand your opinion and I think you're part of the majority, the term "port" doesn't make any sense if used that way.
And, yes, almost nothing from the pre-crash era is a port; due to both severe hardware "gap" in terms of capabilities and low quality software.

In software development, when you say that a piece of source code is fully portable you're implying that you can carry over that piece of code to any platform without having to change it. In reality, it's a bit different than that as your array of possible platforms is reduced to what is relevant to your software/application domain and some minimal changes to the source code are always expected and probably necessary.
However, that gives you the notion of what a port should be.

You don't have to use the same source code base but it's preferred; and if you don't, your code should be equivalent to the original one.

It's the notion of equivalence that makes these lists any valuable. Otherwise we're just listing similar names.

Of course, there's a good chunk of subjectivity when I state that this one game is or isn't equivalent to its arcade original.
I just try to not stretch that concept way too much; so to me the game has to preserve the key features of its original form in order to be electable to be considered a port. The set of key features is probably subjective to some extend but we will usually find a convergence point among the players of a game/game series.

And hardware IS a limiting factor. You can't port Virtua Racing to the Atari 2600, for an example; you simply don't have enough hardware power and features to allow you to reproduce the key features of Virtua Racing's gameplay.
But you can re-title 2600's version of Pole Position as "Virtua Racing" and call it port. It will never be a port in my book but some people will still say it is.

With that said, I'm more inclined to exclude even more games from my list than include new ones. :P

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Originally Posted by EmperorIng

Not to knock your hard work, but I'd question Super Darius II being considered a port since it is entirely different from the original save for some reused sprites. Super Darius, despite being single-screen, almost mirrors the arcade's original stage layouts (and its "new" bosses were always intended to be in Darius but cut due to time/memory).

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I agree.

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Not to knock your hard work, but I'd question Super Darius II being considered a port since it is entirely different from the original save for some reused sprites. Super Darius, despite being single-screen, almost mirrors the arcade's original stage layouts (and its "new" bosses were always intended to be in Darius but cut due to time/memory).

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Thanks for you seeying.
With some lists, now we need of the filter. (cut the games that used only the arcade titles) I saw John Elway's Quarterback/nes not is an Arcade port but is clear that Nes have more arcade ports. Im surprised with the arcade ports to Genesis by Barone. I don't knew.

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Not to knock your hard work, but I'd question Super Darius II being considered a port since it is entirely different from the original save for some reused sprites. Super Darius, despite being single-screen, almost mirrors the arcade's original stage layouts (and its "new" bosses were always intended to be in Darius but cut due to time/memory).

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I agree.

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I agree that Super Darius II and others aren't perfect/faithful arcade ports, but by 16-bit standards it was par for the course. SDII is also not nearly as different as you think.

If we're going to have such strict standards though, then 90% or more of 8-bit console arcade ports don't count and lots of Genesis games like Atomic Robo Kid, Gain Ground, Rolling Thunder 2, Wrestle War, Tetris, Fatal Fury 2, etc.

Not finished yet:

81 - Fantasy Zone the Maze (opa-opa)
82 - Super Space Invaders
83 - Nba Jam
84 - Xenon 2
85 - Zool

Im in doubt about Pro Wrestling (Champion Pro Wrestling) and i don't know if any baseball game (or great "x"games) and Mahjong was arcade ports, too.

Zool and Xenon 2 are not arcade ports. There was an arcade version of Zool, but it was a port from the computer version (and it may be posterior to SMS version too, I'm not sure).

If Super Space Invaders counts, then you might as well count both unique versions of Space Invaders for PC Engine.

And if unique ports of the same arcade game for the same console count, them Sidearms Special counts independent from Hyperdyne Sidearms.

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Originally Posted by tryphon

Zool and Xenon 2 are not arcade ports. There was an arcade version of Zool, but it was a port from the computer version (and it may be posterior to SMS version too, I'm not sure).

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ok. tryphon, my fonts was in arcade museum:
http://www.arcade-museum.com/images/111/1111933685.jpg

About xenon 2 the box/case show this:

http://www.smspower.org/uploads/Scan...rks-medium.jpg

PS: tryphon you tried cut 3 sms games. Now, in name of Shinobi, help me. You could see if there is any sport game not counted by me? s'il vous plaît!

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

If Super Space Invaders counts, then you might as well count both unique versions of Space Invaders for PC Engine.

And if unique ports of the same arcade game for the same console count, them Sidearms Special counts independent from Hyperdyne Sidearms.

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If pc engine have the same patterns it can be counted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxCHwSyVi-A
But in compensation you must cut off the CDs games.

PS: i not counted the SG-1000 arcade ports to SMS and Korean games too.

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Originally Posted by segarule

But in compensation you must cut off the CDs games.

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You mean PCE CD games? Bullshit. CD+hucard = PC Engine. Get over it.

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PS: i not counted the SG-1000 arcade ports to SMS and Korean games too.

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SG-1000 is a completely different system than the SMS. Not the same thing as PCE/Duo. PCE is a unique case in video gaming history.