I hope Trump wins and builds a wall to keep Canadians like Cruz out.
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I hope Trump wins and builds a wall to keep Canadians like Cruz out.
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I'm surprised retrospiel isn't one of the hundreds of people Bernie Sanders fired after his crushing defeats in New England and the Mid-Atlantic. Maybe Europeans are cheaper hires.
I am now supporting anybody who isn't named Hillary, or isn't that slimy, snake in the grass Rafael Cruz. Ambivalence 2016!
I'm one of the Trump supporters that pays Mexicans to hold up LATINOS FOR TRUMP signs when the news cameras come around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7QxF12S8g
A presidency of Clinton could be even more dangerous than a presidency of Trump. She's got an excellent network and she won't have any real opposition.
Seeing how things have gone so far with the US elections has made me appreciate being Canadian even more, and also really happy for having Trudeau even though I didn't vote for him.
...how, exactly? she's voted in line with bernie on something like 90% of issues, has a track record on women's rights, healthcare, and many like social issues...there's very clearly differences, but i literally can't see how someone would be such a fan of sanders and arrive at this conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by retrospiel
This has less to do with being a fan of Sanders than being cautious of neocons like Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishNinja
She got her party's full support and a large bi-partisan network acquired over many decades. In case that she is just pandering to the progressive voter base during her campaign while actually being a moderate republican at heart she will be more dangerous than any republican possibly could be - simply because those who under normal circumstances would oppose right-wing policies won't see it coming, and when they do it's already too late.
Let me try to illustrate my point: Back in 1998 I voted for Gerhard Schroeder, a Social-Democrat. He campaigned with slogans like "You should not be able to tell people's financial status by their teeth!". Once he got into power he pushed for reform of our social programs and health care system. Among the many many things removed were tooth replacements. Now you can tell people's financial status by their teeth. A conservative administration never ever could have done cuts like these and get away with it.
Trump and Sanders actually have quite a bit in common in that they both address a lot of the same issues, it's simply that their solutions to those issues are based in very different ideologies. Some examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishNinja
Student Loan Debt
Sanders Solution: Student loan debt is so high you can't possibly pay it off so don't even try. Instead the government should pay for it with your tax dollars.
Trump's Solution: Student loan debt is high, but if you were given the right situation you can pay it off. I'm going to try and create more jobs so you can get a decent paying job in your field after graduation. That way you can pay off your loans on your own and take care of yourself.
One is a message of defeatism and charity. The other is one of self-empowerment.
Minimum Wage:
Sanders: Minimum wage is too low that no one can live off of it. So I'm just going to raise it really high so you can just live on that one job and never have to work your way up.
Trump: Miminum age may be low, but I'd rather State's address that themselves. I'd rather create more higher paying jobs and careers while also lowering taxes so you can keep more of your money and don't need to depend on minimum wage jobs.
Again Sanders message is one of defeatism and handouts, Trump's is one of giving you the tools to make your life better as you see fit.
You can see this in a lot of other issues. Basically both Bernie and Trump address a lot of the same problems that usually go ignored, they're solutions are just based on different sides of the spectrum. Which is probably why as Bernie's been falling a lot of his supporters have been jumping on the Trump train.
I don't think I've ever heard or read the word "neo-con" used as an adjective for Hillary before. An awful human being? Certainly, but a neo-con?
really not in a place to honestly engage trump supporters, but no, bernie's stances on a wide multitude of issues are quite vastly different. if one identifies as a liberal & thereby supports sanders, only to pick trump later, it's hard for me to believe they either understand said label or the stances they are now riding for.
it's a fine platitude to have, but again, looking at her record: what about clinton tells you she's actually a republican? again, she tends to vote quite left of center, and her somewhat hawkish (relatively speaking) foreign policy is quite literally the only thing that can be remotely associated with neocon policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by retrospiel
for example: possibly several supreme court justice nominations will be up for grabs in the next term. do you honestly believe hiliary would pick a social conservative, or someone more in line with a GOP choice? because i've not seen anything to indicate that.
I didn't say their solutions were the same, I said they are both talking about the same issues that the establishment picks of both parties like to ignore. Their solutions for those issues however are radically different. Bernies are typical liberal handouts, while Trumps are moderate-conservative "you can take care of yourselves if we give you the opportunity" kind of solutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishNinja
It's not that hard to understand why Bernie supporters may tend to go to Trump when Bernie is obviously not going to make it. The issues they want addressed will at least still be addressed, just differently. For example they won't get their liberal free college tuition with Trump, but they may get a conservative solution(ex: jobs, tax cuts, etc.) to that same problem that will still be better than the very likely nothing they will get from Hillary. They may not get their $15 minimum wage, but they may get more higher paying jobs with Trump as well as tax cuts to keep more money in their pockets which they wont get with Hillary.
When it comes to most social issues, Trump is actually quite moderate. He's pretty much in the "I don't care what you identify as, as long as you obey the law and do your job" camp. He doesn't really discriminate either. You treat him with respect, you get respect back. You disrespect him, you get shit flung back at you. It's not sexist to treat a woman the same way you'd treat a man in the same situation. It's not racist to treat a black person the same way you'd treat a white person in that same situation. It's not racist to want to strengthen our borders and enforce existing laws by deporting illegal aliens who are a burden on taxpayers and our public services and are breaking the law to be here in the first place.
Well she did support Barry Goldwater in the 1960s. But honestly Hillary is the kind of politician who will take whatever stance she thinks will get her the most votes at that given moment. While all Politicians are guilty of this to some degree, Hillary is the most extreme example of it since she constantly does it with absolutely no shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishNinja
I'm pretty conservative minded.
Sanders is the best choice, despite all the "Liberal" fear mongering, his tax on wallstreet transactions makes more sense to boost revenues, than blatant attempts to put negative connotations to the idea of tax increases, when they are obviously intended to be used to boost the social infrastructure and increase the value of American citizenship as a whole. Trump is a clown would has a long list of failures to look at, but at the same time, he's not a fucking war hawk and vicious political nightmare like Clinton.
You honestly couldn't pay me to be an American right now. The country is so fucked and disabled. Full of dimwitted savages that would rather cut their own throats than create a responsible social infrastructure base to build economic stability on. The brightest part about all of it, is that no matter who wins, the bought Congress will cock-block any meaningful change for better or worse, and in 2-3 years time the whole completely retarded media cycle will begin again, bitching and whining pundits talking about politicians 24/7 for a full year, while actual news gets ignored.
Say what you want about Sander's free college idea, sooner rather than later Americans will be faced with the realities of the global economy, and the notion of a guaranteed minimum income will be on the table. Extreme welfare for everybody. Such an alien concept today, when you have American citizens with no pot to piss in, because they lost everything trying to pay medical bills in a severely overpriced market. The land of the free... "feel free to fuck off and die in a gutter, fellow citizen."