Not sure if not having Capcom on Genesis was that major of a loss?

GENESIS; (12 total games, @ 7 High-Resolution)

1989
Forgotten Worlds (Sega) - 4 Megs, Hi-Res
Ghouls N' Ghosts (Sega) - 5 Megs, Hi-Res

1990
Strider (Sega) - 8 Megs, Hi-Res

1991
Mercs (Sega) - 8 Megs, Hi-Res

1993
Chiki Chiki Boys (Sega) - 8 Megs, Hi-Res
Street Fighter II - 24 Megs

1994
Bonkers (Sega) - 8 Megs, Hi-Res
Megaman - Wily Wars - 16 Megs
Mickey Mouse - Great Circus Mystery - 16 Megs
Punisher, The (Sculptured Software) - 16 Megs, Hi-Res
Saturday Night Slam Masters - 32 Megs
Super Street Fighter II - 40 Megs


SEGA CD

1993
Final Fight CD (A-Wave)


SNES (33 total games, @ 13 Hi-Bank carts)

1990
Final Fight - 8 Megs

1991
Super Ghouls N' Ghosts - 8 Megs
U.N. Squadron - 8 Megs

1992
Magic Sword - 8 Megs
Magical Quest Starring Mickey Mouse, The - 8 Megs
Street Fighter II - 16 Megs
Super Buster Bros. - 4 Megs

1993
Aladdin - 10 Megs
Breath of Fire - 12 Megs
Final Fight 2 - 10 Megs
Goof Troop - 4 Megs
Mega Man X - 12 Megs
Street Fighter II Turbo - 20 Megs, Hi-Bank

1994
Bonkers - 8 Megs
Breath of Fire II - 24 Megs, Hi-Bank
Demons Crest - 16 Megs
King of Dragon (Prism Kikaku) - 16 Megs, Hi-Bank
Knights of the Round - 12 Megs
Mega Man Soccer (Sun L) - 10 Megs
Mega Man X2 - 16 Megs
Mickey & Minnie - The Great Circus Mystery - 12 Megs, Hi-Bank
Saturday Night Slam Masters - 24 Megs, Hi-Bank
Super Street Fighter II - 32 Megs, Hi-Bank
X-Men - Mutant Apocalypse - 16 Megs, Hi-Bank

1995
Captain Commando - 16 Megs, Hi-Bank
Final Fight 3 - 24 Megs, HiBank
Mega Man 7 - 16 Megs, HiBank
Mega Man X3 - 16 Megs
Mickey to Donald - Magical Adventure 3 - 16 Megs, Hi-Bank
Tenchi wo Kurau - Sangokushi Gunyuuden - 12 Megs

1996
Marvel Super Heroes - War of Gems - 16 Megs, Hi-Bank
Street Fighter Alpha 2 - 32 Megs

1997
Rockman & Forte - 32 Megs, Hi-Bank



Last time I was on a 16-Bit binge, I was just briefly testing through all the Capcom efforts on the SNES to see what games I should focus on first. And I was surprised by how many games seemed pretty not worth it;
- All Disney games seemed cookie cuter designed with infants in mind (made it np to snow boss in both version of 2nd Mickey game. Beat Aladdin as a kid during a rental, and briefly played it again to refresh memory)
- So far I'm not impressed by the two Marvel games. (But being a comic book fan, I'll definitely put more effort in these two games regardless. I remember renting X-Men as a kid once, and never felt like playing it at all. Nor the urge to ever rent it again. Mostly because X-Men 1 on Genesis raised the standard so high. Also first time I noticed the "Just slap some giant sprites together" substance over style Capcom nonsense)
- all beat 'em ups save for the only one outsourced (King of Dragoons) have some pretty serious flaws (one being substance over style, which lead to 3 enemy limit + it encouraged other companies to do the same on the SNES because big Arcade style sprites sold back then).
- I beat BoF1 and really enjoyed it very much. Part 2 I stopped near the end (shortly after talking to that big buff tiger character in that bar or whatever) due to getting sick of repetitive forced grinding to even stand any chance. Which shouldn't of been as bad if the game didn't rely so much on finding those GF summon type things, of which I missed most of somehow. Man, u don't make things vital to game so crazy well hidden & with ability to progress past, in an RPG with crazy high random battle rate. I was also playing fan re-translation and it sucked so much (felt like modern day character talking vibe, complete with pop culture reference and/or lingo. Totally killed the old fantasy roleplay), I wished I'd of played original Capcom butchered translation instead. So stop praising the re-translation. Also magic of the first game wasn't present at all.


So really, so far only UN Squadron, 2 Ghouls N Ghosts, 4 Mega Man, BoF1, King of Dragon, and Magic Sword seem like the only exclusive SNES Capcom games worth playing to me at the moment. Why I'm just tossing this out there to see what those with more experience in these games have to say? Since I'm no expert on this matter yet with so little playtime & so many games.

Capcom may of been king of the Arcade, but I was so surprised by what seems like way too many mediocre console games & ports they've put out during this era.

I really hate Super Ghouls N' Ghosts, it's so slooooowww...

^ There's a release that removes all slowdown you could try.

Knights of the Round is the best arcade port made by Capcom and the only arcade port that does lack to the genesis library.
The cancelled Magical Quest port also

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^ There's a release that removes all slowdown you could try.

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Link please !

^ Capcom Classic Collection Volume 1 for Saturn, PS1, PSP, X-Box, PS2, and so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capcom...ics_Collection

And here's a link mentioning removed slowdown on Reddit;

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/c...hosts_to_play/

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Knights of the Round is the best arcade port made by Capcom and the only arcade port that does lack to the genesis library.
The cancelled Magical Quest port also

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Yes, I so far agree it is the best beat 'em up Arcade port by Capcom (maybe overall port for 16-Bit too like you say). And a really great beat 'em up. But the 3 enemy limit really gets to me sometimes. Still the most enjoyable beat 'em up ported by Capcom for SNES. But the other Capcom beat 'em up that was ported by someone else, King of Dragon (by Prism Kikaku), seems better to me so far with the playtime I've put into them both so far (and the fact that it can toss double the enemies at once at you). So yeah, I have you ask how you think these two SNES beat 'em ups compare?

PS - here's a great must see site for Knights of the Round fans that I found in the past. Compares both versions too; http://sebastianmihai.com/main.php?t...n-depth-review

You've listed a bunch of games that Capcom did not develop or publish for Genesis. If you're saying that Capcom titles in general weren't a loss, that includes all CPS1, CPS2 and misc games during the Genesis' lifespan or potential lifespan in a theoretical scenario where it got better support from major companies like Capcom.

I would have loved to have Genesis and/or Sega-CD ports of Willow, 1941 CA, SSFIIX (ported in 320 mode), AD&D Tower of Doom, Aliens vs Predator, X-Men COTA, Night Warriors, SFZ2, etc. Even Son Son II with parallax and FM sound would be cool.

^ Yeah, that's why they have (Sega) in brackets. Ditto for other times where someone else did the port (ie. Kind of Dragon by Prism Kikaku). Did I miss any?

Yeah, I too would of loved to see if Capcom could of done better ports for the Genesis is focused on Genesis as primary port (instead of the blatant lame SNES code/graphics ports we got). Just to see how much better the quality would of been? But as is, they did such a terrible job porting their Arcade games to the more complex SNES. Heck, they barely even compress their games going by that SF2 better Arcade fan Genesis port fix thread. Seems like they're totally unskilled and just increase the cart size & jack up cart prices to make up for their incompetence? (Would like more clarification if someone can provide it)

As is, would love to say we got lucky with superior Sega ports of Capcom games. Then again, Sega could of made original IP or sequels to their own IPs instead.

The major loss wasn't the lack of quality titles that Capcom blessed us with but the BS exclusive deal with Nintendo for SFII. That in my head is when Nintendo finally got one over Sega. Anyone around them remembers how huge that game was, with lines coming out the doors of freaking 7-Elevens to play it. It was nuts. For most kids it wasn't Mario or Sonic, it was who had SFII which was only Nintendo. It took Capcom almost a year to release the Sega version which was already to little to late.

^ Yeah I know. Street Fighter II was my first SNES game I bought. But I only witnessed the huge impression that game had on me personally. Played it first at a friend's cousin house (basically my guy that had everything), and I was blown away. Never seen anything like it. It became my fave game on the spot. I still remember that Capcom commercial with that crazy cool music, Blanka roar pose and dinosaur growl ending;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znPv_kEhimc

Also this one for Ghouls N' Ghosts;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRIppZszuc4


But in retrospec to me now SFII feels more like a fad. Mostly because I never had anyone else interested to push myself against, and single player only lasts so long. Come age of the internet and discovery of MAME online, I instantly opted try what MK1 & 2 felt like with skilled players over the world was like instead. Got very addicted to that competition and stuck around enough to get pretty good at it. Really miss that scene and forum...

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^ Yeah I know. Street Fighter II was my first SNES game I bought. But I only witnessed the huge impression that game had on me personally. Played it first at a friend's cousin house (basically my guy that had everything), and I was blown away. Never seen anything like it. It became my fave game on the spot. I still remember that Capcom commercial with that crazy cool music, Blanka roar pose and dinosaur growl ending;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znPv_kEhimc

Also this one for Ghouls N' Ghosts;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRIppZszuc4


But in retrospec to me now SFII feels more like a fad. Mostly because I never had anyone else interested to push myself against, and single player only lasts so long. Come age of the internet and discovery of MAME online, I instantly opted try what MK1 & 2 felt like with skilled players over the world was like instead. Got very addicted to that competition and stuck around enough to get pretty good at it. Really miss that scene and forum...

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Yeah I think it went past fad but it did sell a crap load SNES's. Used to play the crap out of that back in the day at my buddies house. None the less, and it's just my opinion, but the glut of fighters was one of reasons that 3D took off so well. It was like all other games just vanished, or least no one payed any attention to.

SFII a fad ? Come on, it's one of the most influential game of all time... There are less differences in gameplay between modern vs fighters and SFII than there were between SFII and its predecessors.

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^ Capcom Classic Collection Volume 1 for Saturn, PS1, PSP, X-Box, PS2, and so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capcom...ics_Collection

And here's a link mentioning removed slowdown on Reddit;

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/c...hosts_to_play/

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Thanks, I'll try the PS1 version.

It won't change the fact that the impossibility to attack up and down is a real miss though. But the game has its charm :)

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SFII a fad ? Come on, it's one of the most influential game of all time... There are less differences in gameplay between modern vs fighters and SFII than there were between SFII and its predecessors.

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It's more of a personal opinion due to not ever playing it at a high competitive level. Tried to get my brother into the original SFII. Forced him to play 50 matches of Ken and Ryu on Ken stage. It was fun. But despite both of us having fun that one time. He never wanted to play SFII ever again. I even bought two joysticks for the occasion. Sigh. Was actually thinking about this earlier today that I should of bought a game instead of a second joystick.

That and I usually play retro games by myself. And if I'm going to be playing more versus fighters VS CPU, might as well move on to other fighter I've yet to try (there's hundreds of them). Like the SNK fighters. Or the SFII sequels like Alpha series and Capcom versus series. Or something else I can still play online with others over XBLA/PSN. My SFII days are mostly behind me outside of some nostalgia on the good ol SNES n' Genesis.


Not saying the game sucks. But there is no denying the grip it had on everybody is not around anymore. So in that way I'm still right it was a fad, as fighters aren't near as popular as when SFII was king of the videogame world. ... In retrospect, I kind of regret that it's hypnotic spell killed the shmups & belt scrollers, among many other type of games, in the Arcades. But don't let me bring you down. Not saying it's a bad game.

Demon's Crest, Pang, Goof Troops, Magical Quest 1 are all above average.
However porting CPS-1 games to the SNES instead of the Genesis is just a shame, especially with beat 'em ups, they would have turned considerably better on the Genesis. Same goes to all those JP beat 'em ups developers that worked on the SFC, can't blame them though since the MD sold awful in Japan.

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You've listed a bunch of games that Capcom did not develop or publish for Genesis. If you're saying that Capcom titles in general weren't a loss, that includes all CPS1, CPS2 and misc games during the Genesis' lifespan or potential lifespan in a theoretical scenario where it got better support from major companies like Capcom.

I would have loved to have Genesis and/or Sega-CD ports of Willow, 1941 CA, SSFIIX (ported in 320 mode), AD&D Tower of Doom, Aliens vs Predator, X-Men COTA, Night Warriors, SFZ2, etc. Even Son Son II with parallax and FM sound would be cool.

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I wish Willow was ported to the Genesis instead of Strider. Strider was a novelty and all, but i think Willow is overall a more polished and replayable game, also it's longer. Tenchi wo Kurau would have been a damn fun title for 1990 too, especially with co-op, there is a pretty solid port on the PCE-SCD but lacks co-op. Carrier Air Wing would be a nice addition too.
Most of those CPS-2 games would be pretty much impossible on the console, or at least heavily downgraded. I mean the Saturn had a 4MB Tower of Doom port with only 2 players co-op, tons of load times and cut animations.

I thought Capcom shined on the SNES. First class effort.

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I thought Capcom shined on the SNES. First class effort.

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You think it's that cut and dry?

Wait...

I thought I had a bunch of Capcom games on my Genesis.

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Wait...

I thought I had a bunch of Capcom games on my Genesis.

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Developed by Sega?

Hmm, so Final Fight CD was done by A-Wave;

http://www.gamefaqs.com/company/73662-a-wave

Interesting that they also handled the Super Darius II Turbo CD port that same year as well... interesting because it's a way worse port. And interesting because it shows they liked to add extra content instead of straight up ports (too bad they didn't have enough time to finish the extra content for Final Fight CD).

And interesting because now i know Sega wasn't the one responsible to fuck up the combo speed :p

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And interesting because now i know Sega wasn't the one responsible to fuck up the combo speed :p

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Yeah, I remember someone mention that combo speed issue here before. Was that you?


And yeah I know. It's pretty cool whenever Sega of old Genesis days is redeemed on a Sega forum. :p But anyone know how well Sega Capcom ports fared against Capcom ports for SNES/Genesis?

short list, but there's some absolute classics - and some of my favorites of the gen - on it

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Developed by Sega?

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Demons Crest...

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Well if you look at my list again, the first 5 of 12 Sega Genesis Capcom games were ported by Sega. Sculptured Software did The Punisher, and only the other 6 were done by Capcom.

My point with this thread is to look at the 16 Bit Capcom developed games only and see how good of a job they did during that era for console. For Arcade there were no doubt triple A developers. But for console I just get the impression of "What? This came from the mighty Capcom?" A little too often for something so prolific... not saying I'm right. Why I started this tread. I'm trying to get you guys to ask this question based on what & how much Capcom games you guys played so far. It's basically a Capcom spotlight from your perspective.

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Demons Crest...

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How does that game compare to Super Ghouls N' Ghosts to you?

I remember seeing that game in the video rental store flyer and on shelf back in the day, along with Taz in Escape from Mars (I think?). Both looked interesting, but I never rented either. On regret I have. As it does seem like a well done game.

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You've listed a bunch of games that Capcom did not develop or publish for Genesis. If you're saying that Capcom titles in general weren't a loss, that includes all CPS1, CPS2 and misc games during the Genesis' lifespan or potential lifespan in a theoretical scenario where it got better support from major companies like Capcom.

I would have loved to have Genesis and/or Sega-CD ports of Willow, 1941 CA, SSFIIX (ported in 320 mode), AD&D Tower of Doom, Aliens vs Predator, X-Men COTA, Night Warriors, SFZ2, etc. Even Son Son II with parallax and FM sound would be cool.

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People dosen't say much or like it, but i really want play black tiger on mega drive someday, its a perfect md game

Edit: Capcom also is very impressive on Snes realizing alot of good and exclusive games like Magical Quest series, X-men Mutant Apocalipse / War Gems, Demons Crest, Super G'nG, Rockman X series, Megaman 7 and etc.. also they realised alot of good arcade ports.

On genesis capcom just did 1 game well that is SF2 CE.

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People dosen't say much or like it, but i really want play black tiger on mega drive someday, its a perfect md game

Edit: Capcom also is very impressive on Snes realizing alot of good and exclusive games like Magical Quest series, X-men Mutant Apocalipse / War Gems, Demons Crest, Super G'nG, Rockman X series, Megaman 7 and etc.. also they realised alot of good arcade ports.

On genesis capcom just did 1 game well that is SF2 CE.

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You are not alone. I also think Black Tiger would be great in the Megadrive library. And if I have time, I'd like to give a try to make a port...

I converted a bunch of Black Tiger assets to 9-bit color years ago and although some of it needs some creative adjustment, it still looks very nice for a 16-bit console game.

Too bad no one was interested in putting out pre-CPS1 Capcom games for Genesis. I'm very thankful for Sidearms Special, but I always wanted quality console ports of Ghosts 'n Goblins and Black Tiger in particular.

I'd never had said no to Mega Max X, Breath of Fire or some brawlers.

@Black_Tiger @tryphon i think that Black Tiger fits very well on pc-engine and in md hardware, also theres no parallax or another special special effect to complicate the port,
sound wise it will sounds great on both hardwares. Even the artwork and colors is easy to convert, after shinobi port tryphon maybe it can be a good call, you can use the same engine too :D


http://www.thepixelpump.com/blacktig...cade-amiga.gif
http://www.fasebonus.net/wp-content/...r-pantalla.jpg

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I'd never had said no to Mega Max X, Breath of Fire or some brawlers.

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Which BoF of the two do you prefer? And which brawlers would these be?

If anyone ever ports Black Tiger to Sega CD or PCE CD, I can record the soundtrack from real hardware.


The original Megaman X is the only one I like.

I also only like the SNES BoF games, even though they're flawed. I always end up quitting BoF when I get to that excavation area, but it's still fun up till that point, playing every few years or so. BoF has lots of great stuff, but is just kinda bland and boring and has some not-so-great character designs. I played them both to death bitd.

Here's a list of games I'd like to give a try one day or another (no particular order, can work on some at the same time or not at all) :

Shinobi
Wonderboy 2
Wonderboy 3
Maldita Castilla
Black Tiger
R-Type
Phantasy Star
Binary Land
Rastan Saga
Tetris Grand Master

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Which BoF of the two do you prefer? And which brawlers would these be?

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I haven't played either, but they look like fun fantasy RPGs, I tend to like games in that genre. Knights of the Round and the Final Fight sequels would have been nice.

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I haven't played either, but they look like fun fantasy RPGs, I tend to like games in that genre.

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The first BoF game really surprised me (as I actually wanted to start with BoF2, but forced myself to play the what seemed inferior first game for sake of playing them in order). I really like the atmosphere, lore, vibe, music and graphics. Turn based gameplay didn't get in the way that much either, as it seemed to move at a brisk enough pace. Was let down by BoF2. BoF3 seems much better then 2 (might even be the best one? But I've yet to beat it despite how far I made it in that game. It's pretty long part 3). Never tried 4 outside of firing it up to see what it looks like for an hour or so. The coolest thing about this series if you plan on playing more then one, is the recurring characters and locations.

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Knights of the Round and the Final Fight sequels would have been nice.

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I don't know. The Final Fight sequels, as they are on the SNES, still feel like the inspiration for this thread that they are. Heck, SNES FF1 & FF Guy seem like better games to me at this early point.

Wonder if Capcom could of done much better sequels if they were done from the ground up on much simpler to program Sega Genesis first, before porting or hiring somebody else to port them for SNES (like how the Shiny/Virgin games were handled every time)...


And honestly. I rather the SNES sequels were single players only. I mean, 2 players VS 3 enemies is more like a 1 VS 1.5 one on one versus fighter, instead of a beat 'em up. Might a well use that extra room for an extra enemy. But no. Even in single player mode, instead of making this an option, they'd rather give you an AI controlled second player in the third game.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...leFacepalm.jpg

K, I'm going to see how far I can make it in Final Fight Guy this time...

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How does that game compare to Super Ghouls N' Ghosts to you?

I remember seeing that game in the video rental store flyer and on shelf back in the day, along with Taz in Escape from Mars (I think?). Both looked interesting, but I never rented either. On regret I have. As it does seem like a well done game.

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Well, Super GnG have more arcade feel progression inherited from original GnG, Demons Crest sucessor from Nes Gargoyles Quest it's much more "consolized" action oriented, when game begin all areas can be visited for the players, but for progression, it's necessary defeat the bosses of the easiest areas and get the "Crests", they will give free the skills to reach inaccessible places from another stages.
It's a hard game, needs alot dedication and patience, but it is much less frustrating than Super GnG, the controls works fine, and the graphics and sound are superb, and increase much the game atmosphere.

I don't know, I wasn't really a fan of the SNES BoF games. To me, they felt too much like I was playing other games' experiences and ideas. It's like Capcom said, "Hey, this fantasy RPG thing is really popular. We should get in on this but have to do something that makes our game stand out from all the other games out there.... Oh! I know! THE MAIN CHARACTER TURNS INTO A DRAGON!" Everything felt so generic and it was as if they weren't trying to express their own ideas. They basically did the exact opposite of what Sega did with Phantasy Star. I can't really say anything about the third or fourth installments since I don't really know anything about those, but the fifth one, Dragon Quarter, is excellent. That game gave me the impression that someone there had a vision and was finally given a chance to express it. That game was bold, took risks, and was the opposite of my other BoF experiences. If you're in the mood for a classic fantasy (J)RPG experience, then the first two BoF games could be a fix for that, but I wouldn't say they're great experiences or anything.

Yeah, the first 2 BoFs are really derivative and don't really stand out much. The PS1 sequels are in a whole different league and #3 is one of the few JRPGs I very highly enjoy.