A nasty generalisation but not entirely based on fiction, Sonic and Autism (not an insult, genuine actual autistic spectral disorder) do go fairly hand in hand.
Every fandom has its bad and it's good but Sonic is one of the more disconcerting for the people massively into it
Yeah, it is. But it's a fairly accurate generalization. That's not to say there aren't exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
There's a whole range of Nintendo franchised culture out there, but it doesn't come close to the creepy Sonic Fandom. About 95% of the Nintendo franchised culture is about being retro/retro cool. Sonic, and friends, have gone a whole different route. I have younger nieces that loved Sonic, and Mario, but now that they're getting older (11,13, 14 range) - Sonic is too "kiddy" for them while Mario and related characters still retain their charm.Quote:
I could say the same about people who have Mario statues or Princess Zelda/sexual anime figurines in "uncomfortable" positions (like a certain member here...). That's weird and representative of unfulfilled desires. Making a fan character? I don't give a damn.
There's definitely a difference in perception between the two. If you can't understand/see that, than I can't help you. But know there is a difference.
As for the toy collectors of "figurines" consisting of sexually posed female characters, those people are in a section alll their own.
Sure, we can play the "look at the those weird fuckers other there!" game. We're adults, playing old retro games, and that isn't lost on me. But Sonic and Friends, and related fandom, is on the extreme fringe. And I have no problem not associating with it.Quote:
Quite frankly, I consider people who still enjoy video games past the age of 15 "special" in their own right. But what I think doesn't matter. Watch your anime, play your games, live your life the way you want.
You can't lump all these related hobbies and related obsessions into a single group and say no more finger pointing because we're all the same. We're not, and finger pointing is appropriate. Or have all you guys turned into millennials?
I think this difference is manufactured by people who want to feel better about themselves by putting Sonic, or any group of fans, lower than they are on some scale that doesn't apply to anything.Quote:
There's definitely a difference in perception between the two. If you can't understand/see that, than I can't help you. But know there is a difference.
No we're not all the same, but I find it hard to draw a line in this group and say "those fuckers are NUTS" and "these guys are ok."
I get more creeped out when fans get sexual about an anime/game character/etc. There's just something off with fans of series like Dead or Alive and Tomb Raider that draw boobs out of polygons. I think that's psychologically unhealthy and indicative of unhappiness in one's life.
Most of what I see from Sonic fans are fan characters and overwrought stories, usually by kids with too much time on their hands. What's so wrong about that?
I'm not talking about the show. I'm talking about the game. It was broken on release and was a total clusterfuck from a dev standpoint. When you're able to glitch out the game and finish it stupidly fast on the very 1st day it's out then there's a problem. Sonic Boom was just poorly done, badly marketed, & honestly was just a terrible idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
And I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. Sonic Generations was a step in the right direction. It had solid gameplay and catered to new and older fans of the series and was well thought out and put together. Sonic Boom doesn't really even compared to the amount of love & attention Generations got.
Oh.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonusKun
Yeah.
Why sorry? The world would be extremely boring if everyone agreed with me. It would be a lot better though.Quote:
And I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. Sonic Generations was a step in the right direction. It had solid gameplay and catered to new and older fans of the series and was well thought out and put together. Sonic Boom doesn't really even compared to the amount of love & attention Generations got.
It was well put together, but it felt more like a demo than anything else. It reminded me of a slightly more finished Sonic Jam's Sonic World. Just a rehash of what we already have, but with a facelift. I expected them to follow up with an awesome all-new game that would really knock people's socks off based on the Generations engine...but that didn't happen.
In my mind, from childhood to an adult, as to how the world of Sonic existed to me:
1991-1994:
Sonic: Run fast, collect rings, save animals, find emeralds, stop Dr. Robotnik. Fun is infinite.
Sonic 2: Run fast, collect rings, save animals, find emeralds, stop Dr. Robotnik. Fun is infinite.
Sonic CD: Run fast, collect rings, save animals, find time stones, stop Dr. Robotnik. Fun is infinite.
Sonic Spinball: SUCKS.
Sonic 3&K: Run fast, collect rings, save animals, find emeralds, stop Dr. Robotnik. Fun is infinite.
1995-1997:
WHERE IS SONIC?
WHERE IS SONIC THE HEDGEHOG?
WHERE IS MY FAVORITE VIDEO GAME CHARACTER OF FOREVER?
WHY IS SONIC 3D BLAST SO LAME? IS SONIC X-TREME COMING OUT? WHY DOES SONIC R HURT MY EYES? SONIC JAM IS NEAT BUT WHERE IS SONIC 4?
1998:
Sonic Adventure: Run fast, collect rings, save animals, find emerald fragments, fight Chaos, explore adventure fields, whales, read what people have to say to me, play supporting side-quests, rail-shooting on the Tornado, don't care about chao things, stop Dr. Robotnik. Fun is again infinite.
2001:
Sonic Adventure 2: What do you mean I have to play as all of these characters in an equally and comprehensive manner? What do you mean I have to feed, pet, raise these chao things? Grinding? Upgrading items? Collecting fuses? Hollywood story? Characters' personalities more important than actual game content? Why do we need any personalities? Is this a Sonic game or a bad sitcom with tamagotchi filler? JUST WHAT IN THE HELL HAPPENED IN TWO YEARS!? YOU'RE CANCELING THE DREAMCAST!? FINE! F#CK VIDEO GAMES THEN, I'M OUT.
How I viewed every Sonic game after: Lather, rinse, and repeat Sonic Adventure 2 but with more unnecessary 'friends' and other nonsense plot devices... Millennials are really buying this stuff? They turned Sonic into a werewolf? Really? Whatever... guess I'll go back to playing Sonic 2...
Colors and Generations (along with the seven handheld titles) returned to the simpler feel of 1-A1, and SLW and RoL suck for other reasons than Were-Hog and whatnot (and are even worse)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lync
The whole idea of "difference" is a human manufactured concept. All these ideas, concepts, intricacies are all organic in nature in relation to society (from small social groups, to regions, countries, world). What you're saying is redundant, because it's already known. I.e. Stating the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades
You just place the threshold out a little farther than some, but it's all perspective.
Nothing's ever blank and white, but thresholds are an easy and useful application. I think Bronies are weird fuckers, same with people that collect sexualized toys and sexualized under age anime females (shows). A few people I suspect are borderline nuts (obsessed), but others that outside the threshold are just usually considered "creepy". It doesn't hurt my feeling that I don't necessarily want to associate with them (seems you feel bad about doing this; don't want to hurt peoples feelings). There are exceptions, sure, as things in life have exceptions. But exceptions aren't the norm.Quote:
No we're not all the same, but I find it hard to draw a line in this group and say "those fuckers are NUTS" and "these guys are ok."
Ah, Sonic Spinball. I can never decide if I don't mind that game or I fucking hate it.
I like it but the slowdown is pretty off putting and the music is a bit grating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
Moving this back to the specific topic in the first post.
I don't know how you can separate them when they are intrinsically linked. People shit on a good deal of the Sonic Friends because they have only/mostly been involved in crappy content.
Tails and Knuckles get a pass because of the old games. Amy was non playable and a non issue in CD, and the other extras in SA and SA2 ranged from liking to hating to plain creepy (Rouge the Bat).
Those characters are all linked into those games both good and bad... and are generally the only thing people know them from. Pulling them out of that and saying "hey, they would be fine other than those games" is like saying the twilight characters would all be fine so long as you ignore the terrible books/movies they were in.
I'm the same. Problem for me is that as a pinball game it's physics can touch neither Devil Crash nor Psycho Pinball, and as a Sonic game it doesn't sit in the same tier as the other 16-bit Sonic games in terms of graphics and sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogogadget
The physics in Spinball are beyond fucked up, if they had managed to make it control smoothly like Sonic 1 they would have had a great game on their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDrone
now it controls like some shitty click n play game from the early 2000's. I press jump and the game is struggling just getting Sonic to even move.
Great idea for a game, but terribly executed.
I mostly agree with everything you've said here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomaitheous
I still don't understand why creating awkward fan characters puts you in the same league as doll fuckers. Take a stroll over to Sonic Retro, particularly the registered members only section. I have seen numerous acts of kindness by these people; emotional, financial, and almost anything else you can think of. There are a few misfits, but I'm comfortable saying most of them are kind and generous people, and I don't think it's fair to paint them with as broad a brush as you are.
I think you're drawing more on stereotype set by a few assholes than evidence.
The rep is flowing in now that people know where the button is. Feels good man. What was this topic about again?
Poorly utilized characters in a franchise that has jumped the shark and lost it's focus, partly by introducing those characters in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blades