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08-24-2017, 10:40 PM
Barone

I will not read each one of the previous posts but I'll just say this:
Super Mario World is a well executed standard 8-bit platformer with dull yet flashy 16-bit graphics. Sonic The Hedgehog is worlds apart that shit.
08-25-2017, 04:15 AM
Joe Redifer

Not really. Hell, a large amount of people feel that Sonic 1 was done BETTER on the Master System.
08-25-2017, 07:51 AM
Alexrd

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

If you can compare any other fan game with the amount of original added quality, I'd love to see that.

You won't see a fan game with the budget, license and endorsement this one has.

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For a fan game backed by Sega I don't think I've seen anything this close over the years which has come forth and promised all what they delivered. I think the people who weren't happy with this even tho we all knew they were re-creating some of the older zones along with the new ones which a lot of you seem to be ignoring in an attempt to make a newer 2D Sonic are just bitching for the sake of bitching.

You arguing strawmen. Nobody said they didn't deliver on what they promised. Nobody said the 're-creation' is news. I'm judging what's released, that's all.

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

If you want a newer sonic then by all means Sonic Forces isn't too far off but for a lot of people and I mean a lot, This game nails exactly what we've been wanting for years.

What you've wanted. I wanted a fully original, 2D Sonic title. And I'll criticize the aspects I don't like of this release as opposed to a game I've no interest in and is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

Saying it's like a fan-game while yes it was made by fans of the series doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Or good. It means I can tell and I shouldn't be able to.

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Originally Posted by BonusKun

If you want to really compare a bad recent Sonic game then please try Sonic 4. That felt more like a fan game and that was made by Sega themselves.

Actually, it's the perfect mirror of this game. The flaws of one are the merits of the other, and vice versa.
08-25-2017, 08:14 AM
Kamahl

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Originally Posted by IrishNinja

ya'll consider Mega Turrican a platformer? i mean there's a lot of it yeah, just also a lotta shooting

It's as much a platformer as say... Megaman. A lot of shooting but platforming is clearly the main thing. This is even more true of Turrican 2 and Super Turrican. Super Turrican 2 on the other hand is much more a run'n'gun ala Contra.
08-25-2017, 08:18 AM
Barone

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Originally Posted by Joe Redifer

Not really. Hell, a large amount of people feel that Sonic 1 was done BETTER on the Master System.

This is laughable at best.
08-25-2017, 12:29 PM
Sik

I guess the difference here is between those who prefer tight hop'n'bopping with mostly flat surfaces (ala Mario) and those who prefer the more complex physics with heavily sloped shapes from the Sonic games.

EDIT: also how a lot of people absolutely hate any game that makes you recoil when you get hurt (especially since you can end up in pits effectively turning a normal hit into an instadeath - how bad is this depends on the level design of the particular game).
08-25-2017, 12:57 PM
Barone

Aside from personal preferences, I don't see how anyone could advocate the idea that Sonic The Hedgehog isn't a lot more advanced than Super Mario World.
08-25-2017, 01:11 PM
sull56ivan2010

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Originally Posted by Gogogadget

Game sucks, i'm allowed an opinion. Piss off.

Oh man yeah Flink, Flink is a real good game. Gorgeous art work too.

You piss off. Get better.

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Originally Posted by Barone

This is laughable at best.

Eh... people do like the Master System Sonic the Hedgehogs. It's not a stretch of the imagination to say some people prefer them. That being said, Redifer would have to show a bit of proof. Outside of Europe and emulation, who's really played it or even owned them?

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Originally Posted by Barone

I will not read each one of the previous posts but I'll just say this:
Super Mario World is a well executed standard 8-bit platformer with dull yet flashy 16-bit graphics. Sonic The Hedgehog is worlds apart that shit.

That describes my feelings about Mario World. Mario 3 with 16-bit paint. Meh graphics. A forgettable soundtrack. Dull and uninspired despite new things like Yoshi and battery backup. That and the first Donkey Kong Country are severely overrated. Yoshi's Island was better and on par with Sonic 3 and Knuckles.
08-25-2017, 01:29 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by Sik

EDIT: also how a lot of people absolutely hate any game that makes you recoil when you get hurt (especially since you can end up in pits effectively turning a normal hit into an instadeath - how bad is this depends on the level design of the particular game).

People that dislike recoil from get hit are silly. How come falling into a bit because you suck be legit but getting knocked back into a pit because you suck not be legit?
08-25-2017, 01:44 PM
EclecticGroove

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Originally Posted by Thief

People that dislike recoil from get hit are silly. How come falling into a bit because you suck be legit but getting knocked back into a pit because you suck not be legit?

It's an issue when it's combined with cheap hits that cause you to die like that with annoying frequency, not because you are bad, but because the game/level is being incredibly cheap.
08-25-2017, 01:46 PM
Gogogadget

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Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010

You piss off. Get better.

Sorry, too busy playing actual good games instead of pretending shit ones are good.

Also, you can piss off again.
08-25-2017, 02:32 PM
Blades

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Originally Posted by Barone

Aside from personal preferences, I don't see how anyone could advocate the idea that Sonic The Hedgehog isn't a lot more advanced than Super Mario World.

He's just trying to build notoriety around his show.

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You piss off. Get better.

Dude. Relax.
08-25-2017, 02:47 PM
Eep386

I can kinda-sorta imagine folks saying the SMS version of Sonic 1 is better if that's what they grew up with, but the Genesis Sonic 1 simply has massive, yawning technical advantages in speed, sight and sound.

@EclecticGroove: As one who's STILL trying to crack the nearly-insoluble nut that is High Seas Havoc without savestates, I can totally agree with what you say. It's funny, Bloody Swamp from Kid Chameleon hardly fazes me, but High Seas Havoc as a whole... ugh!

@JoeRedifier: Well, if you don't like Tails, you're always free to abuse the hell out of his lackluster tag-along AI for cheap yucks. XD
08-25-2017, 03:00 PM
Bottino

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Originally Posted by Sik

EDIT: also how a lot of people absolutely hate any game that makes you recoil when you get hurt (especially since you can end up in pits effectively turning a normal hit into an instadeath - how bad is this depends on the level design of the particular game).

Exactly. It's the difference between a game like Ninja Gaiden, whose design literally revolves around knocking you into death pits or trapping you while enemies keep 'juggling' you and a game like Shinobi, where this is used in the right way: it prevents you from getting cheap-shot to death and also prevents you from doing the same against enemies and especially bosses. There are instances where you can fall for your death, but they are the exception here, not the rule.
08-25-2017, 03:13 PM
Thief

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Originally Posted by EclecticGroove

It's an issue when it's combined with cheap hits that cause you to die like that with annoying frequency, not because you are bad, but because the game/level is being incredibly cheap.

Name some games. In it's defense I site the classic Castlevania games, Mega Man, Sonic and Metroid. Works great in these games.

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