Why do people have issues with others not being fans of the SNES?

Hmm, the best i can answer you, is that i will speak about 2 megadrive games with arcade quality.
First Alien Soldier, yes it is arcade quality, overall design is successful, it is nervous.
Yes, overall control requires training , but my main complaint is about this boss rush system.
It doesn't amuse me, to me bosses have to be reward after a good stage of side-scroller with a good level-design.
And to me, it is all about atmosphere and variety. For example, on gunstar heroes, there is a rush boss mode but it is after several stages of side-scrolling and also is justified by the script : the dice game. Yes, dice game is a good idea, according to the parties, you never encounter the same opponent twice thanks to random dice.
Yes, unbalance Alien soldier to me because of game system that is not my cup of tea.

Seconde game, Batman and robin, why it is a difficult game ?
It could have been a masterpiece, but theses bosses and this plane stage are too long and too repetitive.
Even by cheating with invincibility, it is too long.
Batman and robin, huge technical performance, in each stage, megadrive is pushing at its limits, but unbalance difficulty ruin all the game.

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Originally Posted by Flygon

Actually, there's an explanation for this. There's always a one-frame buffer between yourself inputting a button, and the button actually being recognized.

This's really annoying when trying to perform SNES TAS's, because you basically gotta try and plan two frames in advance, and that's a lot more tedious than you'd think.

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So wait, one frame buffer = 2 frames input delay? So all 60fps SNES games have 2 seconds of input delay? ... What aboot Star Fox with 15 or so frames...

Also, is there no way emulator authors can create some workaround for this? Like write some code that tells the SNES framebuffer to stop being such a d-bag.


Otherwise yes, I've been looking for my next SNES shump, and messed around with the SNES Parodius games for a bit. Then decided on the PCE version to see how noticeable of a difference it is without the input delay. Man is it ever noticeable.

No, not 2 seconds of input delay, just... one frame... ish.

Point is, you have an additional frame of delay compared to the Mega Drive. It's almost never noticeable, unless you're working in a TAS environment, or have good reaction time.

And remember, the SNES is not using a framebuffer. Same basket as the Mega Drive. Blitters and backgrounds! :p
Edit: Though, with context of emulation?...

I'm sure it could be 'done', but I suspect it's not worth it.

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Originally Posted by sull56ivan2010

Anybody know any good Halloween stuff to play on 16-bit systems?

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How the hell has nobody mentioned Clock Tower? :o

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Originally Posted by Flygon

No, not 2 seconds of input delay, just... one frame... ish.

Point is, you have an additional frame of delay compared to the Mega Drive. It's almost never noticeable, unless you're working in a TAS environment, or have good reaction time.

And remember, the SNES is not using a framebuffer. Same basket as the Mega Drive. Blitters and backgrounds! :p
Edit: Though, with context of emulation?...

I'm sure it could be 'done', but I suspect it's not worth it.

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Oh, I meant 0.02 seconds. Sorry. But now you're saying it's 0.01 seconds (because 1 frame per 60 frames a second = 0.01 seconds).

And yes, it's very noticeable. Especially yesterday when I went from PCE Parodius to SNES Gokujou Parodius. Took me at least the entire first stage to adjust to new input delay that it made me wonder if SNES Gokujou Parodius has more input delay then even SNES Parodious? Because that's how bad it was. Going to double check this soon.

First time I noticed input delay as a kid, and I'm certain this is where everybody else noticed too, was going from Genesis MK1 to SNES MK1. That game had to have had at least 0.02 to 0.03 seconds of input delay. The craziest input delay SNES game I can think of to this day. So makes me wonder what other SNES games have higher then standard SNES input delay?...

EDIT - and what? Not worth it? It's totally worth it.

At 60Hz, 1 frame = 0.016667 seconds (approx)
At 50Hz, 1 frame = 0.02 seconds

So dunno, you really weren't that off with 0.02, especially in the case of PAL.

I originally thought SNES Parodius was a lager cart size then PCE Parodius. Turns out they're both 8megs. And not just with extra stages, but looks like more graphical detail. Then I remembered this recent post from the 32X MK2 thread;

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

... although the PC Engine can't do as heavy duty compression as Genesis/SNES.

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Can somebody give more detail about this across PCE, Genesis and SNES?

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Originally Posted by Thief

I originally thought SNES Parodius was a lager cart size then PCE Parodius. Turns out they're both 8megs. And not just with extra stages, but looks like more graphical detail. Then I remembered this recent post from the 32X MK2 thread;



Can somebody give more detail about this across PCE, Genesis and SNES?

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The PC Engine doesn't draw frames the same way as MD/SNES, so it doesn't need much work ram, but this leaves it without the ability to do compression as well as the others.

The SFC version of Parodius Da! is also missing some details that the PC Engine version has, but it also has much less animation. You can't judge the game by the first stage.

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Originally Posted by Black_Tiger

The PC Engine doesn't draw frames the same way as MD/SNES, so it doesn't need much work ram, but this leaves it without the ability to do compression as well as the others.

The SFC version of Parodius Da! is also missing some details that the PC Engine version has, but it also has much less animation. You can't judge the game by the first stage.

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Ah, I should of guessed that.

And I just reached the last stage in PCE version then Game Over'ed. Back to SNES version.

Are you playing these games on emulators Thief?

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Are you playing these games on emulators Thief?

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Of course. I don't have flash carts yet, nor a gaming room big enough for more then two consoles set up. But why, what's up?

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Originally Posted by Thief

Of course. I don't have flash carts yet, nor a gaming room big enough for more then two consoles set up. But why, what's up?

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You do know that an LCD display (cheap display will add a lot) will add additional lag, as well as the quality of the emulator?

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Originally Posted by gamevet

You do know that an LCD display (cheap display will add a lot) will add additional lag, as well as the quality of the emulator?

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I don't notice any input lag on PCE and Genesis emulators. Tight as a snapper. I mean, you'd think emulator coders would know this since all PC users use LCD displays anyway. Not like these emulators users expect everyone to use CRTs (why bother with filters then). I mean, don't tell me modern consoles lag on new LCDs too?

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Originally Posted by Thief

I mean, don't tell me modern consoles lag on new LCDs too?

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What do you think "game mode" is for? (and in some cases that's still not enough to remove all the lag, there's a reason why Guitar Hero has a calibration screen)

LCD lag is mostly a problem with TVs which have a shitton of filters though to make up for the shit screens and to artificially increase the price. Computer monitors are a whole different story (you may get ghosting and/or discoloring on awful screens, but they aren't really laggy as far as reaction goes). An emulator on a PC probably is not having any more lag than what the GPU normally adds (i.e. 1-2 frames at 60Hz at worst).

Alright, I did some research (along with some more Parodius playing). And turns out all LCDs have input lag no matter what, lol. Not to mention even more ms delay from everyone using wireless controllers. Today's gaming is more messed up then I thought!

Anyway, will see about tracking a CRT monitor sooner then later. Thanks, gamevet. You are my hero.